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Karajous un-prersoning is complete.

Nobs tells andy that CP is failing and blames anger bear for the failure. Oldusgitus (talk) 15:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Conservapedia under relentless troll attack.

[1] Over 500 blocks since 07.30 GMT this morning. Someone really has it in for them.--Mercian (talk) 22:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not impressed. Vandals are wasting more time than the sysops are. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 00:08, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm sure it was The Russians. Conservapedia is on it's stated course to replace television as the number one source of entertainment and The Conservative Bible Project is the most significant reform to Christianity since Protestant Reformation 500 years ago. This makes Andy the greatest philosopher of the century so far and he will likely still be considered so at it's end. Andy turning on Putin is a huge blow to Vladimir and is something he will not take lying down hence the trolling attacks.--Mercian (talk) 13:21, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Don't forget Rob's first class intel and analysis... LondonGrump (talk) 17:22, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Rob "Racist fascist scum at The White House" Smith (no racists attended AFPAC though, Conservative of The Year Majorie Taylor Greene is certainly not a racist) is the only reason that CP has not suffered a full blown cyber attack from Russia. Schalfly, Smith and Dmyer are cowards and wankers of the highest order and would hide or emigrate if America was ever attacked. I have said before that Schlafly is the worse but I think they are all as bad as each other. CP is so extreme that even the hate ridden Karajou quit. Speaking of trolling I think it is time to whip Kendol into a hate ridden frenzy again which I have done a number of times before and always ended up winning, he has "felt the sting" so much that if he were attacked by a hive of killer bees it would make no difference. Trolling a troll is not a problem in my book.--Mercian (talk) 17:52, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
None of these people are worth the effort. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Not worth a manual trolling frenzy, per se. The inability of Conservapedia's weak Captcha system to bar off a potential well-scripted bot attack provides for a basic demonstration of their laughably obsolete website structuring, a trait out of attribution to the desperation of Schlafly to conserve the outdated system code that barely supports Conservapedia. And my reply here is not to be taken as an implying of encouragement of anything. Ushit the dipshit (I shit, Ushit...) 20:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
A ceasefire was agreed to allow civilians to flee Mariupol but within 20 minutes the Russians started attacking the refugees. Smith's take on it. Ukrainian Nazis are trapped in the Mariupol cauldron[2]. So does he consider old people and kids to be Nazis? Speaking of real Nazis it was the Russians who attacked Babi Yar, the sight of one of the worst atrocities of the holocaust. He fails to mention that though. How very convenient. I hope someone not only takes the site down but destroys the entire content posted in the last 15 years--Mercian (talk)
Wot, even the edits I've made over the years? LondonGrump (talk) 22:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Mercian, the level of retaliatory vengeance you are advocating against Conservapedia in calling for the destruction of all their articles reaches a ridiculous level. Surely you are not implying that the massive article compilations of RJJensen, 1990'sguy, LT, and BHathorn can be objectively viewed of equal footing with this recent RobSmith propaganda? The perceived zealousness of your present state provides the appearance that you are sinking to a low typically expected only out of a sheer asshole Kenhole... Ushit the dipshit (I shit, Ushit...) 22:32, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Arsehole or not I stand by it.--Mercian (talk) 23:09, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Assuming the babbling head on that Youtube video actually matches the headline (questionable assumption and I don't give a shit enough to check), Nobs is basically unsurprisingly regurgitating Russian propaganda for this point. The Media Bias fact check on this "The Duran" podcast is a hoot. Basically, this is headed by a guy (Alexander Mercouris) who was a UK attorney, got disbarred for shady forgery shit, and reinvented himself as a propagandist for Russia Today and other Kremlin outlets. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 00:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
All editors who continues to edit Conservapedia after they have read the vile opinions that Andy. RobS and Ken have expressed are, to put it mildly, fucking arseholes. Realizing that Andy is a twat because he isn't going to make you a sysop is in no way comparable to realizing you shouldn't continue to contribute to a site that supports the stoning to death of gays.
However, I do not encourage, support, condone or celebrate the trolling or vandalism of Conservapedia. Don't be a troll. Co something more worthwhile with your time.Spud (talk) 01:38, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
I agree. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 01:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Personally I still sort of support the witty and intelligent vandalism of CP. There's an edit deep in there that lists a well known sex toy as a form of transportation and it's been there for years. It always makes me smile that there are possibly xian americans somewhere who read that and still think a sex toy is a vehicle. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:18, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

back in the day when people still occasionally mistook cp as a genuine attempt at a real factual encyclopedia, any one attempting to make good faith edits along those lines would inevitably be banned. it might have been a little justified for those folks to troll a little as they discovered what cp really was. now though good faith edits based on fact is trolling by definition. its clearly not a encyclopedia and anyone wishing to edit there would be aware of that by now. cp is a weird alternate universe for conservative fanfic. its not bullshit and lies in the articles that needs correcting with proper cites, its in universe lore for schafly and co's wet dreams. good faith edits do not include what really happens in the real world, real life isnt canon, canon for that place is trump wasnt a dogshit incompetent disgrace and all that christian forgiveness in the bible is liberal bias. you wouldnt go to a harry potter fan site and try to insert 'citation needed' at any suggestion magic is real and not be an obvious troll.
cp has that wrestling kayfabe thing going on to, keeping up the pretence off site so it seems. gotta admire the dedication to a bit, i guess. lets just be thankful they havent gotten round to putting in the staple of fanfic, a menage a trois between schafly, trump and putin. torn between an urbane all american hero, a poster boy of all that is good in america and an exotic force of nature of eastern promise, radiating a savage physical strength and brutally uncompromising righteous, whats a boy to do? the head says trump, but the heart says putin. how does one choose bewteen dreams when making one come true will see the other dream crushed completely and for all time? its just to much to bear.
honestly though, trolling just makes them think they are doing something right, got the right sort of people worried. in truth no one is paying attention. internet trolls and cp, or the hundreds of similar sites with a similar message, are all part of the same phenomenon. part of the self perpetuating tide of dogshit deluging the internet like a kind of unstoppable wmd. rationalwiki is probably too, to some degree. anything one site can put out is out there somewhere online. all the conspiracy theories, fake news, all the fact checkers and the debunking of it all, is out in the wild. other sites, reddits, tweets, facebook, memes, comments sections. its like plastic pollution, every tiny little bit on its own are insignificant grains of sand. but there is so much it, together its choking the ocean. no one is in control, no one is directing it all. it just gets added to once in a while by politicos and the like winding up the trolls and watching them go, but trolls have no off switch. you moderate to some degree on individual sites, and the big beasts like twitter can with filter and clear out some of the shit, given the will. but there will always be more and more shit washing up. trolling the folk at cp is self defeating. its just means more shit we have to clear up on our stretch of the beach. AMassiveGay (talk) 13:23, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps Rob is right as you can see here from "The Nazi Scum" fleeing from the great Russian liberators.[3][4][5] and being fired upon as they attempt to make their escape. Some of these "scum" even had the nerve to do this to a friendly Russian peace keeping vehicle[6] Sarcasm is not always obvious when typing--Mercian (talk) 13:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

If there is one thing that worms love, it's corpses!

[7] Does he mean the corpses of young people murdered in Manchester or Norway. Perhaps he means the corpses of homosexuals in Conservapedia's ideal genocide or the corpses of Ukrainian civilians justified in that they support the "homosexual agenda" I could if I wanted link to dozens if not hundreds of posts where deaths of they consider undesirable are not only justified but glorified. One of the most infamous chants attributed to the terrorist groups he supports reads "I was walking up the Falls With my fucking tommy gun I grabbed a Taig and told him There was fuck all that could stop me. Then I shot him. And I watched that bastard die." Who has the death fetish Ken? --Mercian (talk) 11:11, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

And fuck you Ken just for talking about LeftyGreenMario like that, you despicable fucking arsehole! Spud (talk)
Once again, Ken just can't quit RW.
And much has been written on this already, but it is amazing how much people who claim to be "religious" have attached themselves to idol worship of the Angry Baby, who by all accounts is quite irreligious and is of questionable moral code. By all accounts Joe Biden is way more religiously observant. But I suspect that the world of the Ken is one where the "kingdom of liberalism/leftism/secular leftism" includes Pope Francis... PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 14:11, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Homophobia does not seem to one of Ken's major beefs, he only seems to bring it up when he is trying to gain the favour of Andy. Imagine flip flopping to gain brownie points of someone who is has devolved from a religious nut to genocide supporting Neo Nazi. I am not sure who is the worse.--Mercian (talk) 15:55, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
What a sack of shit, with hatred of someone who isn't heterosexual, dehumanization of me, and casual sexism of "lady leader". Y'know I think worms aren't asexual; they still participate in sexual intercourse. They're probably sexually attracted. People who aren't interested in a particular random activity and aren't attracted to things in a particular manner are generally asexual. If Ken find this hard to grasp, he can try imagining himself fucking a cactus. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 16:10, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Worms are hermaphrodites. Their sex is double-69, with each one fertilizing the other. Ken knows this and is horribly jealous. Whoover (talk) 17:31, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Indeed, it is the only way he would ever get to mate. The poodles and horses he seems to have a thing for have probably rejected him and his death fetish seems to be going nowhere so he has nowhere left to turn. Question: Why does he keep picking fights with RW editors when he gets trounced every time usually followed with pages of over-sites?--Mercian (talk) 17:42, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
He has to find some point in his sorry existence. He does think he's part of a grand cause. He really thinks he has an audience besides two people in the auditorium, one of them his mom. It's sad. I'm sure the crap I write on this wiki has been subjected to more eyeballs. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Oh, he's still at it? Seems like there's a problem. He should try some horse dewormer. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 00:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Amazing, how a conversation about WWIII, the threat of nuclear war and the collapse of the global financial system gets turned into a discussion about a certain godless wiki. It's not Putin or NATO's fault if we all get nuked or end up in the stone age, it RW's. Dutchbag (talk) 06:17, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

The party line on Ukraine

So I don't reallyt do much more than pop in to CP every now and again, but I am finding it interesting about how MPR can't seem to decide if we're supposed to root for Russia or Ukraine RagingHippie (talk) 22:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

It's a very confusing state of affairs. Acei9 23:09, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
Ken occasionally comes down on the right side of the argument. Rob on the other hand stands by a man who may turn out to be the most despotic leader in the Kremlin's history. Bearing in mind Stalin, Lenin, Ivan the Terrible and a number of crocked Tsars have held that position that is quite an achievement, Even Stalin never directly threatened to nuke his neighbours. Keep up the pressure on him Ken. Slava Ukraini.--Mercian (talk) 17:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
They don’t know who to back. Russia technically an enemy of the US but Trump said Putin was very smart and backed him, then Biden said some harsh words against the invasion. So they are confused but if Biden said it was bad then it must be good - invading a sovereign country. Acei9 19:40, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

RobS’s rationalisation of Russia’s invasion

Would love to know how he can twist the Russian bombing of a maternity ward. Full of Nazi’s? Crisis actors? It never happened? The mind boggles. Acei9 05:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh, the old 'Belgian babies on German bayonets'Wikipedia routine again. Dutchbag (talk) 11:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Hey, look, here's Russia's foreign minister copping to it and trying to justify it, proving you utterly wrong in record time: Mariupol hospital was base for Ukraine nationalists, says Russian foreign minister. Queexchthonic murmurings 12:48, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Intelligence suggests that Russia are ready to use chemical and/or biological weapons. Rob already has that one covered preemptively blaming Ukraine for any such action.[8]--Mercian (talk) 16:45, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Ukrainmian military and militias are using civilian human shields. Not entirely different than Hamas. Dutchbag (talk) 20:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Some fantastic victim blaming here. All Ukraine's fault. You called me a asshole, I call you an utter fucking wanker. Are you Rob in disguise?--Mercian (talk) 21:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
@Mercian I mean he talks like Rob so... ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
🤔 --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 22:56, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Oh, and for the record, Russia is engaging in an actual, no holds barred, war. Dutchbag might want to read up on this military theorist Called Clausewitz, who wrote a book called Vom Kriege, a book I have quoted from in the past. A book that straight up says stuff like " Violence arms itself with the inventions of Art and Science in order to contend against violence. Self-imposed restrictions, almost imperceptible and hardly worth mentioning, termed usages of International Law, accompany it without essentially impairing its power. Violence, that is to say, physical force (for there is no moral force without the conception of States and Law), is therefore the means; the compulsory submission of the enemy to our will is the ultimate object. In order to attain this object fully, the enemy must be disarmed, and disarmament becomes therefore the immediate object of hostilities in theory. It takes the place of the final object, and puts it aside as something we can eliminate from our calculations. " Which in summery pretty much says each side will do whatever it takes to win. Personally, I don't think Russia is stupid enough to hobble themselves with concerns for human rights, especially not at this point in the campaign. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 23:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Putin has never given a fuck for human rights or democracy. FFS he's used polonium on the streets of London and novichok on the streets of salisbury. That's why the likes of Rob have wet dreams over him. Putin is able to do all the things that far right shit heads like nobs would love to do given the chance. Oldusgitus (talk) 05:24, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Good post! Russia isn't a liberal democracy, and acting like it is one is foolish and stupid. Putin has no qualms about ordering atrocities in order to get ahead politically. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:53, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Putin must have read Clausewitz (In order to attain this object fully, the enemy must be disarmed) when he announced at the outset the aim was to demilitarize Ukraine. This was the mistake the U.S. made in Iraq which became apparent immediately - the U.S. never even attempted to disarm Saddam's army. Dutchbag (talk) 16:18, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I've been largely sitting this out because, like with Brexit, I respect but do not share other people's emotional investment - I've got one eye on what the Face Eating Leopard Party have planned for us back here under cover of the crisis - but "no holds barred war"? Where's the air power? LondonGrump (talk) 07:08, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Even some of the most vile far right types such as Trump, MTG and Cawthorne have come out against Putin but not Rob. What do you think it will take for him to flip? Putin nuking a major city like Kyiv or perhaps one closer to home like Paris, London, NYC or even his home town or would he blame the 3 year old Nazis lying in pools of blood whose bodies cannot be retrieved as any rescuer would share their fate?--Mercian (talk) 15:45, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
You're forgetting that nobs is incapable for forming his own rational argument. Somebody in Infowars/Beyond Top Secret/8chan/the alley where he trades blowjobs for crack has said that Putin is the good guy, and so, until they say otherwise, Putin is the good guy. Also, Blowing Up Civilians To Own The Libs. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 11:40, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I can't be arsed to WIGO this.

But nobs once again manages to sink below even the shit filled depths I already thought he'd attained. Oldusgitus (talk) 19:26, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll probably do it, but I need to hop on my phone since is blocked on the network I am currently on. PoorlyDrawnRockford.jpeg Rockford the Roe boop my snootpraise Oscar Wilde 13:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm enjoying Rob idolising Stalin and the victorious Red Army of Marshal Zhukov. LondonGrump (talk) 22:30, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
RobS tankie arc 😳😳😳😳😳😳 PoorlyDrawnRockford.jpeg Rockford the Roe boop my snootpraise Oscar Wilde 13:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
He's also advocating breaking the law live on Conservapedia. The Russian website may not be subject to copyright but the material on that site still is. Who do we need to report him to? :)--Mercian (talk) 00:19, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
I guess if the Russians have been the traditional enemy of America, Joe McCarthy must've been right. Dutchbag (talk) 09:48, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Only if you learn history from TV movies. LondonGrump (talk) 11:53, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Which you can illegally downloaded from a Russian streaming site.--Mercian (talk) 14:22, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Correcting typo

With the 'New Year's Resolution' line - should it be 'Thus proceeds' or 'This precedes'? Anna Livia (talk) 09:56, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Only *good Christian* swear!

Lol, everyone know you are Ken, User:Conservative. I like how much you like to deny that this isn't about you. (By the way doesn't work and update the page from what Ken wrote. Here is the latest version. Could someone please run the weblink through the archiver again as this archive is not the latest version.) Could (talk) 10:19, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Ha ha, I'm glad someone else saw that. Apparently we are all scared shitless of him. He is so brave, such a warrior that as soon as someone comments on it it is deep burned. "Pro sodomite sluts and whores".--Mercian (talk) 10:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
When he say that? Could (talk) 10:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
That we are scared of him? I misread the article when I saw it being half asleep at the time. Re reading it we are terrified of Greg Bahnsen who nobody has ever heard of.--Mercian (talk) 10:40, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Oh no when he said "Pro sodomite sluts and whores". Could (talk) 10:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Right. You see Kendol has a history of supporting far right terrorism if their victims are who he considers undesirable. He speaks favourably about Anders Breivik saying what he did was wrong but as his victims were liberal "secular leftists" leaders of the future he supports his ideals if not his actions. In a similar vain he condemned the actions of Salman Abedi who carried out The Manchester Arena Bombing but described his victims, mostly children or young adults, one as young as 8, as "Pro sodomite sluts and whores" for going to an Ariana Grande concert in the first place. He has also very recently supported Loyalist Terrorists in Northern Ireland because their victims were overwhelmingly Catholic who he does not consider "Proper Christians". Whenever he decides to try to take the moral high ground I give him a gentle reminder.--Mercian (talk) 11:30, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
WHAT THE COMPLETE FUCK??? Could (talk) 11:34, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
He is possibly not even the worst sysop on Conservapedia unbelievable as it may seem. Schlafly himself as stated the the great conservative bastion of freedom and free speech that is Putin was right to invade Ukraine saying his pretense and justification in doing so was because of a LGBT rally held in Kyiv. He has also supported stoning to death homosexuals and lamented when Brunei reversed their law in allowing them to be executed in such a way. Rob Smith supports the mass murder and possible genocide in The Ukraine because every single Ukrainian is a Nazi. You only have have to read anyone and everyone of his posts in the past 3 months to confirm this. All three in my mind are neo-fascist wankers.--Mercian (talk) 12:05, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Props to Ken for having the word "fuck" on the "family-friendly" hate blog. Also, who the fuck is Greg Bahnsen? RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 18:05, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
All it took was getting rid of Karajou, and now they have no problem goose-stepping around, screaming "Seig heil!" at the top of their lungs. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 15:39, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Screaming "Schafly is Conservapedia and Conservapedia is Schafly. Schafly! Hail Victory!"
Amazing. I had no idea that I was scared of a terminally online 50+ year old reactionary with poor writing skills. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:52, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Conservapedia is really turning into a circus. 71.208.x.x (talk) 01:17, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Even worse, it's boring. LondonGrump (talk) 07:58, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Yes, it's nowhere near as funny as it used to be. On the other hand, claiming that I'm afraid of some dead guy I've never heard of was a good attempt to get back into the game.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 08:09, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

"All it took was getting rid of Karajou, and now they have no problem goose-stepping around, screaming "Seig heil!" at the top of their lungs." Amazing. If you had told me back in the day that Karajou was the voice of reason... (I wasn't paying attention, tho: what happened to him?) RagingHippie (talk) 19:12, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Karajou quit because of Rob and LT (who is a teenager) are both idiots. 71.208.x.x (talk) 19:56, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Karajou had all the nasty qualities that the other sysops had. He did however have one quality that is positive to the vast majority but abhorrent to CP.--Mercian (talk) 23:39, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Smith devolves from wanker to downright evil bastard.

He continues to support Putin even after a protest, a peaceful protest mind you, was shelled by his thug genocidal army with possibly hundreds dead. That hell you believe in Rob, well Satan is waiting there to shove a red hot poker up your behind. Evil bastard.--Mercian (talk) 13:31, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

It does seem that the report was somewhat over stated ans they were only attacked with stun grenades. What is not in doubt though was a Russian tank fired at a car occupied by a family before peppering it with machine gun fire before setting fire to it, it was all filmed by a drone. By the way you are not fooling me with your sock puppetry dipshit, a name that suits you well. In my opinion Boris, Macron, Biden etc should stop acting like they are descendants of Neville Chamberlain and actually do something about it.--Mercian (talk) 15:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm guessing it'll just be a matter a time before he tells us all the massacred civilians in Bucha are crisis actors. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 07:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
He's already there, man. Russian media is currently laying the groundwork for they-were-Nazis-who-had-it-coming, so it's likely that's where Rob will end up, too. Le législateur (talk) 11:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Apparently they were AZOV Regiment which makes me wonder how large a Ukrainian regiment is. In practice a small regiment or battalion has 500 -800 members. The AZOV regiment must have a strength of 20000-30000 thousand which includes old women, children and unborn babies. --Mercian (talk) 21:51, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
I see we've reached the "justifying genocide to own the libs" stage of right-wing fascism. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 10:17, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────And now the crawling sack of shite that is rob smith glorifies in the fact that putin is openly threatening to nuke the UK. Oldusgitus (talk) 12:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Russia could destroy the UK with nukes no doubt but make no mistake The UK also has the capability to destroy Russia. The movement and location of the Vanguard Class Trident subs is top secret but at least one is at sea at full readiness at all times and there is a good chance another is also deployed. I am guessing one is somewhere in The Arctic and the other if deployed is in the north-west Indian Ocean. That would be 96 warheads ready to go and if only 10% hit their target Russia would be fucked. To add to that France also has one SSBN deployed and America several, I believe they would also respond. Attacking anyone with nukes would see Russia as we know it be no more.--Mercian (talk) 16:00, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Rob's incorporated the Z symbol into his tagline. Twat. LondonGrump (talk) 20:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Debunking the attacks on the Left from Conservapeida

For awhile I have been trying to debunk this page on Conservapedia: The title alone is cringe: "Left-wing violence under the Biden junta (2021-22)"

There is so much to go over. Can I please have some help — Unsigned, by: 289blue / talk / contribs

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Most of their sources converge to a site called gateway pundit. It's a pro trump website. HighboiWhen the king and the pawn are in the same box 07:11, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean by debunk it? Where? You certainly won't get far posting anything on CP.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 08:46, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Having taken a little gander at the thing in question, it seems like refuting each of the perhaps 130 'incidents' would a) take forever and b) be pointless. As Highboi points out, if you really 'feel the need' to refute it all perhaps the best bet would be to attack it's main 'source', the Gateway Pundit. Destroy the credibility of the source, the claims then fall on it's arse.
In this case, if you are going to do this, perhaps you could do it via improving the RW article on it? KarmaPolice (talk) 14:11, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
You ain't ever going to debunk anything on cp. If you post anything that goes against their hateful rhetoric it will be reverted and you will be blocked. You're wasting your time and noone will waste their time 'helping' you. Wnat to check, post something that goes against rob's hero worshipping of putin and the russian atrocities in Ukraine.Oldusgitus (talk) 15:35, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
This is a gish gallop anyways, two accounts (as mentioned, one a fanatically pro-Putin one) are basically throwing all the shit they can, even if there is zero relation to Joe Biden. You have to be in some alternate fantasy world where a Twitter feud between Lil Nas X and Kaitlin Bennett actually matters to anyone, let alone the Biden administration.
The Gateway Pundit has a habit seen across the worst right-wing media, where apolitical crime stories are falsely spun to being committed by left-wing boogeymen. They've done it enough for The Other Wiki to have an entire section on thisWikipedia, and it's also mentioned in a single paragraph on the Rationalwiki article. This Conservapedia page seems to rely heavily on Gateway Pundit's "all criminals must be BLM antifa liberals!" bullshit spin (I checked a couple that definitely fit this pattern at least), so I would concur that the best way to attack this page would be to expand the depiction of the Gateway Pundit's fake news tendencies. Meh (talk) 17:55, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
So there are really a number of problems here. Firstly, I completely agree that it's a sort of Gish Gallop in that every one of these unfortunate claims would require a response which would often be substantially longer than the claim itself, and producing that would need a hell of a lot of time and effort. Secondly, I'm still not clear where this proposed (and regularly updated) rebuttal would be posted. The "logical" place would Conservapedia as people would be easily able to compare the claim and rebuttal. But we all know that there is absolutely no possibility of it being posted there. I guess that we might host it if there were sufficient community interest. But that leads me to my third point - who would the audience for this massive exercise be and how would they find it after reading the Conservapedia article?Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 18:17, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
CP's Biden pages are so self-evidently stupid that I skipped past debunking and went straight towards making fun of them. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 19:17, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
You need to use the same techniques employed by Deborah Lipstadt's lawyer in Irving v. Penguin Books Ltd. It would have been a vast waste of time covering every point that David Irving made in his ongoing output of antisemitic trash, an exact parallel to the Gish Gallop techniques employed by CP and its ilk. The defense instead focused on Irving's complete double standards for evidence and facts and the threshold for what truth is, depending on the source and the intent of the material. It's in the same vein as Rob Smith screaming himself into a frothing rage over the police murder of a white woman by a black officer, and the character assassination that followed (which is police SOP in these cases), yet fail to see any wrongdoing or root-cause connection linked to any knee-jerk murder of a black person by a white officer that results in the same character assassination etc. Don't indict them on what they try to present as reason and fact; indict them on their fucked standards of evidence, and keep hammering it. Semipenultimate (talk) 15:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
...and every time you hammer you validate their embattled world view...LondonGrump (talk) 05:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
I agree, it's very convenient for their perpetual-victimhood narrative, but if you have another alternative to refuting an endless stream of PRATTs that works, I'd like to hear it. Semipenultimate (talk) 15:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Nobs sadism towards Ukraine driving people out of CP

I dunno, I feel like CP is even more empty nowadays. Even Ken has been absent. The only reason I can think of is Nobs cheering for Russia and Putin in the war. Indeed sad, though I'm glad he's not here anymore so we don't have to see his garbage on RW too. GeeJayK (talk) 13:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Knobs does not care about Russia, The Ukraine or Conservapedia he cares about his almighty god that is Donald Trump. Putin enabled Trump and Zelensky denied him, that is where his stance comes from, same goes for Schafly. Trump initially condemned the invasion therefore so did Schafly and Smith was quiet on the matter. Trump has since pulled back on his condemnation and Schalfy's posts have becoming more anti Ukraine and Smith has ran riot. The pair were very pro NATO before Trump's criticism of the organisation so now they hate it and if Trump is OK with mass murder and genocide so are they. What a pair of abhorrent automatons they are.--Mercian (talk) 22:44, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Seriously, if Rob wasn't busy trolling about the war, there would prolly be fewer than 20 edits a day there. RagingHippie (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Rob added a "Z" to his signature. Funny, I spent a couple of hours today arguing on Facebook with a tankie with the same Z sign on his profile. GeeJayK (talk) 01:51, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

First there was gay bowel syndrome and now this!

[9] Hey Ken, it was five years yesterday that your hero Salman Abedi carried out his attacks. He also hated gays and which is one of the reasons you adore him. I forget the other. Oh yeah I remember now. "Pro sodomite sluts and whores"--Mercian (talk) 04:05, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Checking out Conservapedia for the first time

With all the talk about Conservapedia on this site I wanted to see it for myself, just out of morbid curiosity.

It only took looking at a few articles for me to get fed up with all the ridiculousness and nonsense that is clearly overflowing on that site.

Figured you all would want to know 😁BJA2112 (talk) 05:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

A good example is MAGA cultist, anti mask, anti vaccine, anti any COVID measures execute Fauci twats blaming people they don't like for spreading a virus.--Mercian (talk) 11:03, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Can someone explain this paradox to me.

Liberals are anti second amendment who hate guns and want to remove all firearms from society yet every single mass shooting is carried out by liberals. How does Lord Andy come up with such twisted logic?--Mercian (talk) 20:16, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

The cunning bastards want to disarm everyone so they can impose their Satanic Marxist Liberal dictatorship. Shootings like this serve two purposes: as a false flag and to warn us of the butchery to come when the bloodsucking commie space lizards harvest children for their fluids. Obvs. LondonGrump (talk) 05:40, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Or this other paradox: the US is not the only market for video games yet it's the only place they cause mass murder. Asia consumes more video games than the US, and Europe about as much. What is it about the US that makes it alone so susceptible to gamer-mediated unpredictable deaths? Whoover (talk) 20:44, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

I know this is going to be controversial and I expect nobody here to agree but I wonder if it has anything to do with guns. After all Europe and Asia are full of atheists and article upon article on CP overwhelmingly show that atheist heathens are far more likely to commit violence and other appalling acts than God following religious people. I appologise if I have offended anyone with this suggestion as other articles on CP and other respected sites such as Fox News and The Gateway Pundit overwhelmingly show that the more guns a society has the fewer violent crimes it experiences. This is backed up by a high percentage of representatives in national, state and local governments.--Mercian (talk) 00:36, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Another fact that shows that I am wrong is that a prominent American human rights advocacy group also shows that more guns equals fewer violent incidents.[10]. Of course one human right they don't support is the right for primary school children not to get shot in the head with a fucking assault rifle.--Mercian (talk) 00:51, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Yep, can't be guns. It's a real mystery. Whoover (talk) 02:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Using Occam's razor it comes down to one thing, The Azov Battalion. They were responsible for infiltrating the Unite The Right march in Charlottesville, the recent mass shooting in Buffalo, the Jan 6 Insurrection attempt and of course, perverting the real meaning of The Great Replacement Theory.[11]. I am not sure how they managed the Buffalo incident as they were wiped out weeks before by the great liberating Russian Army--Mercian (talk) 03:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Another clear observation, all these Western/adjacent democracies with strict gun laws, haven't turned into hell holes. But I was certain once you lose rights to have guns, all the other rights disappear as well...-RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Speaking of authoritarianism there was a guest speaking on Fox News who suggested The US should declare martial law to protect gun owners. Every other civil liberty be damned as long as unhinged 18 year olds are allowed to carry assault rifles and commit massacres. He also suggested training and arming not only teachers but students as young as third grade. Sick bastard.--Mercian (talk) 03:59, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Word is, klan victims aren't too keen on gun control. With all the white supremacy and institutional racism in America, a minority would be crazy to go unarmed. If George Floyd had a gun, insurance companies wouldn't have had to shell out $2 billion. Dutchbag (talk) 09:36, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
'As a Brit' (so I may misunderstand things) the Second Amendment implies that 'ownership of weapons' also means 'membership of a militia' - and proponents of gun holding would squawk massively if made to do national service.
I see no prospect of reform - so many massacres, #and massacres of children# and only statements that 'something must be done' (but nothing actually is). Would anything be done even if there was 'a major incident' (police jargon usage) at the NRA convention itself.
Going by some some of the discussions on FB there is much bleating comparing abortion with massacres - but like is not being compared to like: a significant proportion of abortions will be of foetuses with severe health issues, health issues with the mother, and where there has been violence etc in the conception or 'severe domestic/environmental issues'. Anna Livia (talk) 11:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
What came first, the chicken or the egg? your right 'to keep and bare arms'? or being a member of 'a well regulated militia'? And the law specifically says 'the right of the people', i.e. 'the people' (aka private ownership and/or possession) not 'the states' or the federal regime. And if SCOTUS hasn't ruled your way yet in 250 years, it's still not likely anytime soon. Dutchbag (talk) 04:42, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
"Your way"? What kind of fuckwit sees this a your side vs my side thing? LondonGrump (talk) 12:33, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
A fuckwit that has the Neo-Nazi Z symbol attached to his signature on CP.--Mercian (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
In the UK we do things differently - and massacres are very rare (but we do have the right to reveal our upper limbs): there was a statistic somewhere that the US has had 200 massacres already this year. There does appear to be some connection between 'a militia' and 'the right to bear arms' in the US.
I accept that 'many gun owners' will be reasonably responsible (hunting, target practice, re-enactment societies etc) - but it is they who should be doing something or when 'the incidents that cause kneejerk legislation to be enacted' finally occur they will be caught up willy-nilly (see examples elsewhere). Anna Livia (talk) 23:41, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Rationalwiki and Holocaust denial.

[12] In reponse I give you:Conservapedia and pride about the fact that mass shootings occur in other countries[13]. I would like to point out the leading cause of death of children in The USA is gunshot wounds. Are you proud of that as well Ken? Are they "Pro sodomite sluts and whores" perhaps or does that only apply to British and Norwegian kids? You really should stop posting negative stories about RW because every time you do I will respond showing what a savage, bloodthirsty and terrorist supporting psychopath you are. Dickhead.--Mercian (talk) 23:10, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@Mercian Isn't it obvious? They weren't Christian enough. Greed 1:17 "If a man be a failure in my sight, he shall perish, and good riddance to him." ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 23:30, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Speaking of deadly sins, pride is another, so is gluttony and sloth. I suspect he is an obese SOB who has never done a hard days work in his life, unless you count spending 48 hours constantly editing a hate site that is. Another quote from The Bible is "You shall not bare false witness" IE don't lie, something he has been caught doing time and time again. I hope for his sake he is wrong and there is no Hell. If there is there is a red hot poker at the ready for him.--Mercian (talk) 00:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Of late I've grown quite fond of Mathew 25:31-46, of particular note is "He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me." Ken strikes me as someone who hasn't done for the least as he would do for God. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:06, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
We now have a theme song.[14] Ken has one which corresponds to his anti Catholic rant a few months back. "I was walking up the Falls[15] (The scariest place I have ever been BTW) with my fucking Tommy gun I grabbed a Taig and told him There was fuck all that could stop me. Then I shot him. And I watched that bastard die." Seriously, he was spieling shite right out of Mad Dog Adair's textbook --Mercian (talk) 00:28, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
leading cause of death of children in The USA is gunshot wounds
Half of those are suicides attributable to authoritarian covid lockdowns, the other half is black-on-black gang violence (in Democrat cities, of course). Dutchbag (talk) 09:39, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm sure there's no solution besides sociopathy... None at all. Fucking dipshit. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:51, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Oh, and go learn how a State works, you entitled fucking brat. You enjoy the benefits of a state in exchange for obedience. Read Locke. Fucking hell, read fucking Hobbes. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:52, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Oh, okay. Thanks. So who exactly do the people of Crimea owe obedience to, then, Russia or Ukraine?
Wouldn't one of those 'benefits' be 'to provide for the common defense?' Ukraine hasn't done much of that for 8 years. In fact, Ukraine destroyed their own country trying to liberate Crimea without ever firing a shot in Crimea. Dutchbag (talk) 08:44, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
You are a liar Rob. Most victims and perpetrators of gun crime are white. Kids are unlikely to commit suicide and even if they were why the hell are suicidal kids given access to guns? This is all irrelevant anyway. The fact remains that whatever the circumstances leading cause of death of children in The USA is gunshot wounds--Mercian (talk) 16:56, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
the other half is black-on-black gang violence You racist fucking cunt. Do you know where the weapons come from in many instances of gang violence? Other states that have lax gun laws. Chicago (which I'm sure your dog-whistle was attuned to) is flooded with guns from neighboring Indiana and Missouri as well as Texas. Often times they send straw-buyers, a loophole that allows buyers to avoid any repercussions because they 'lost them.' Also suicide rates are highest among your particular group, white men. Think you'd be interested in stopping the White races self inflicted genocide. Stupid git.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:26, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Well what is it? Are black youths killing each other or not? Your assertion that they are makes you a racist, you dumbfuck. Dutchbag (talk) 14:42, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Rob fucking Smith calling someone else a dumbfuck, oh the irony. Black youths do kill others but to nowhere near the extent that white far right CP mentality wankers do. And what do you do when one of these far right people commit murders? You claim they are liberals and blame it on The Azov battalion. When Russians murder civilians you claim the victims were Azov Battalion be they old women, small children or everyday people taking refuge in a train station. The Azov battalion has fewer than 600 people with little influence in Ukraine and ZERO outside of the country but you blame them for everything. Show me one black person who has carried out a mass murder in The US and I will show one hundred far right cunts who have done so. You are truly a despicable racist excuse of human.--Mercian (talk) 18:47, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Azov? old ladies? train station? What an ugly thing to say. Does this mean we are not friends anymore? Dutchbag (talk) 21:16, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
How corrupted of a soul must you be to be completely unable to see the evidence before your eyes, and instead choose to peddle the lies of a fascist. To completely ignore any context, show even a small iota of understanding your sources, and shill for a government that literally wouldn't care if you lived or died.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:43, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
I have no idea what happened. I thought we were talking about the Axios report. [16] Dutchbag (talk) 02:01, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
A friend to a cunt who splendors in murder? Absolutely, lets go for a beer. And no, we are not talking about a report, we are talking about someone who dares call anyone who is against mass murder in The Ukraine a fucking Nazi, you have no idea of history obviously. The Russians attacked the largest Holocaust memorial in The Ukraine or was that an Azov black op?. You make Kendol look like a bloody good bloke and he gets his sexual kicks when liberal kids are slaughtered and "feels the sting" after catching VD from his animal fetish.--Mercian (talk) 06:15, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
You're living in a fantasy world, and sound more like a Russo phobic bigot everyday. Dutchbag (talk) 07:04, 7 June 2022 (UT
Lets see who you hate. The Ukraine, NATO, black people, women and your own country who you have sided with Russia against which makes you a TRAITOR. I have nothing against Russians, just Putin and his cronies. You know, the man you orgasm over 3 times daily. Isn't there a rule against socks especially when they are Neo-Nazi treacherous Quislings?--Mercian (talk) 09:13, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
What in the fuck are you talking about? Your screeds and your hate has gotten the better of you. Dutchbag (talk) 15:53, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
You know what really amuses me? When people like Rob (who is ban evading by the way), sound exactly like Tankies and Campists. It's actually kinda funny when these supposed common sense, anti-commie pro-America types sound like the people who would either nuke America off the face of the planet or try to recreate the USSR if they had the power to do so. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
It could have been so different. Imagine a situation where Putin wanted Hilary to win in 2016 and actually did help her and hinder Trump and Zelensky did dig up the dirt, real or manufactured, on Hunter Biden when being pressured by Giuliani. Rob would now bigging up Ukraine and spewing on Russia all over CP as we speak. If BLM wore MAGA hats they would be great patriots and if The Proud Boys went around shouting Biden Biden Biden they would be Nazi Terrorist Azov auxiliaries. Tht's how shallow he is.--Mercian (talk) 21:28, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

The difference between Andrew Schlafy and Rationwikians

[17] You forgot a few Ken.

  • Rationwikians do not wish to stone people to death for their sexual preference.
  • Rationwikians do not applaud a Russian dictator who invades a sovereign nation and murders it's people.
  • Rationwikians do not support an insurrection against the American Government.
  • Rationwikians do not allow lowlifes named Smith and Dmyer run riot with their bullshit on their website.
  • Rationwikians do not hate people due to their colour, nationality, religion or sexual preference. (See above)
  • Rationwikians do not blame school shootings on the colour of their clothing, lack of religion or video games.
  • I am sure at least one Rationwikian has won a court case.

There are of course many more. Please feel free to add. --Mercian (talk) 02:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

You forgot to add the RW is not run, owned and paid for by a trust-fund privileged baby-boomer who couldn't argue a court case to get out of a paper bag. Acei9 03:36, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
True. You're Gen X I believe:)--Mercian (talk) 05:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
That I am - a Gen Xer that is. Acei9 02:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

TL:DR: Andy is a c*nt. LondonGrump (talk) 08:50, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

But the definition of 'cant' - hypocritical and sanctimonious talk, typically of a moral, religious, or political nature #is# appropriate. Anna Livia (talk) 11:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
I am the only one surprised that Ken enjoys rap music? [18]? He used this song.GeeJayK (talk) 12:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Black people wearing black clothing listening to rap music. Dodgy combination, very combustible .(In the eyes of Schalfy that is)--Mercian (talk) 15:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Rationalwikians are capable of having good-faith discussions with their political rivals without obfuscating their actual motives. Semipenultimate (talk) 19:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

  • Rationalwikians do not claim to be pro free speech at the same time as supporting a dictator who jails people for 15 years for mentioning the word war.
  • Rationalwikians do not claim that Fox News, Mike Pence, The Nazis and white nationalists are "liberals".
  • Rationalwikians do not claim the Bible is inerrant word of God accept the parts that are contrary to their belief system.
  • Rationalwikians do not think The Biden Administration is a military junta.
  • Rationalwikians do not deny that Conservative of The Year[19] Marjorie Taylor Greene has white nationalist sympathies and attends white nationalist rallies and has "No regrets" in doing so.[20]
  • As far as I know no Rationalwikian has shown a preference for the government of 1930s Germany to that of the government of 1930s United Kingdom.
  • Again as far as I know no Rationalwikian has shown admiration for The Britsh National Party.

Basically Shlafly is all the things he claims not to be. A homophobic, xenophobic, racist, pro death fascist.--Mercian (talk) 21:08, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

  • Rationalwikians don't pay lip service to believing the bibul whilst claiming that the supposedly inerrant word of god is wrong and that jesus was a samaritan [21] Oldusgitus (talk) 10:32, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
  • The founder of Rationwiki does not require that his sysops stroke his ego and mimic his style whilst posting "news" articles or indeed require them to be rampant misogynists with their "setback" articles[22][23] clearly showing dissonance whether a woman or a male atheist alcoholic should come out on top. "It's a man's man's world"--Mercian (talk) 17:28, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
  • The founder of RationalWiki is not an incompetent trust fund pseudo-lawyer who enables vicious antisocial hatemongers and extremists. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 00:43, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

I am a little out of the loop but when did RW stop becoming the-site-that-cant-be-named over there? tmtoulouse 01:07, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

"The rise of Ken" has been going on for quite some time; several years of his screeds have appeared on CP. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 01:24, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Harry Enfield nailed Conservapedia's attitude towards women.[24]They are stuck in 1930s.--Mercian (talk) 05:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
@tmtoulouse. It's been a while now. It started quite a while ago but really gained pace when when Anger Bear became an un-person. The first name/last name username policy has also long gone. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:14, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Merican, I am surprised that someone would call fox news liberal because it even claims to be conservative. Wik 10 00:22, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
I am not certain but I think a Fox News presenter once gave lukewarm support or at least an indifference to LGBT rights. That is enough for Schafly to redefine them as liberal. Schafly's bar from conservatism to liberalism is a very low one. Other reasons are not stoning to death said LGBQ people, following the law and admitting defeat after polling less than 10% of a vote.--Mercian (talk) 14:17, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Wow, Schafley is really so prejudice Wik 10 03:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

GrammerCommie helps other Rationalwikians enslave people.

[25] I really don't what to say that would not be a highly expletive critique of this excuse for a human. It is him after all that has advocated interning atheists in work camps therefore enslaving them.--Mercian (talk) 08:01, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

The text has been deleted. Anna Livia (talk) 17:52, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

More idiocy, courtesy of Conservapedia (moved from the saloon)

While completing my daily habit of scrolling through Conservapedia I stumbled upon a list of parables detailing how conservative actions and views could lead to a better outcome for any situation you find yourself in.

Well needless to say some of them are very odd, I'll give an example:

A Conservative and a Liberal are walking along a beach when they spot a man drowning a 100 feet from the shore.

The Conservative throws a 50 foot rope and shouts "OK YOU PROVIDE THE OTHER 50 FEET!"

The Liberal throws a 100 foot rope and let's go of both ends.

Yes I am as baffled as you are and because it's early in the morning I don't feel like pursuing an argument against it.

But it's never to early for a bit of humour so please sit back, enjoy and laugh.

2 idiots who have no idea how politics works are walking along a beach while both carrying rope for some reason.

They spot a man struggling a 100 feet offshore.

Seeing this fantastic opportunity they attempt to apply their ideologies to the situation.

The Conservative throws a 50 foot rope and shouts "OK YOU PROVIDE THE OTHER 50 FEET!"


The Liberal throws a 100 foot rope and applies a Conservative stereotype by letting go of both ends.

The Swimmer shouts "ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!

Realising they are both out of rope they walk away to get more but get distracted arguing over trickledown economics.

Returning 5 hours later they realise the Swimmer has disappeared.

They apply their ideology and come to the conclusion the Swimmer prayed and was saved by God or he was rescued by helicopter.

The next day there is a knock at the door.

A police officer steps in and says "Charles Winfield and abcdefg? You are both under arrest for involuntary manslaughter"

The end. Cosmonaut-32 (talk) 23:10, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

i get cp might be new to you and all, but im pretty sure their parables got the wtf treatment years ago. where did all the cp content here get split off to? probably comment on them there. or even fun space. AMassiveGay (talk) 11:21, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
That was a weird (but funny) story Wik 10 14:13, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Our collected CP pages can be found here: Category:Conservapedia. Bongolian (talk) 15:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Yes Wik 10 14:49, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Seven differences between us and Phyllis Schlafly?

I can think of two more:

- Andy doesn't think of us in a short skirt

This sentence is ambiguous (and there is a No true Scotsman pun involved). Anna Livia (talk) 22:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I really should just concede to someone with your moniker. LondonGrump (talk) 18:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

- She's dead.

LondonGrump (talk) 18:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

For clarity, the above does not apply to me. Anna Livia (talk) 22:53, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Four differences between Rationalwikians and Ken DeMyer.

  • Rationwilians do not sympathise with Anders Behring Breivik.
  • Rationwilians do not get do not kicks from children dying as victims of terrorism.
  • Rationwilians do not refer to said as victims as "Pro sodomite sluts and whores."
  • Rationwilians are not the scum of The Earth.
  • PS. Stop kissing Schalfly's arse Kendol. I know you both enjoy it but it is not something conservatives do, apparently.

That is all.--Mercian (talk) 21:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)


According to this article, [26], vaccines are made of fetuses to promote abortion. The site is notorious for inaccuracy yet how could anyone imagine something so ridiculous? Is there any kind of basis for this claim? Stayhealthy (talk) 04:43, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

It's Conservapedia, so no. They're a bunch of fundies, so go figure. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 09:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
There is a small nugget of "truth", but Conservapedia isn't even close to what this is. Many vaccines (as well as a lot of other medication and other biology research) may have, at some point in the process, been tested using HEK 293 cellsWikipedia, an immortalized cell line (read: a cell line that has been modified either deliberately or naturally so that it be propagated forever, in this case it was deliberately modified using adenovirus DNA) that was taken from a female fetus (possibly coming from an abortion, but the details are not clear) from the Netherlands in 1973. There are many such immortalized cell lines in medical research with many origin stories, most of which will not be controversial (and most likely be incomprehensible) to the abortion-obsessed fundies of course. This blog entry goes over the usage of cell lines in a bit of detail; it is sufficient to say that there is a fair bit of difference between "a small portion of mRNA vaccine research may have validated protein expression and folding from the RNAs using an immortalized cell line taken from a possibly aborted fetus in 1973" and "VACCINES ARE BASED ON ABORTED TISSUE TO INCREASE PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE OF ABORTION!!!"
The Conservapedia vaccine article is perhaps interesting as a window into the fundamentalist movement and their acceptance of medical science over time. Older versions of the article in the late 2000s were actually fairly reasonable, in fact tut-tutting Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the autism-vaccine hysteria. Around 2012, someone removed the part critical of the vaccine-autism bullshit, claiming it was "anti-conservative bias". By 2018, the article had changed to where the bullshit link between autism and vaccines was promoted front and center. Obviously the article got warped further from 2020 to 2022 when the COVID-19 pandemic caused "conservatives" to run off the rails and choose bullshit like chlorine dioxide bleach instead of vaccination. It's a run-off-the-rails that seems to mirror what happened in fundie land as a whole over the last decade when it comes to trust of medicine, this attitude used to be something you only saw in the extremes of ultra-fundie religion (as well as the extremes of New Age/hippies)... not any longer. (talk) 19:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Same article insinuates that Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are not authentic or traditional and has an unsourced claim that "manufacturers admit that severe harm may be caused by their products...". Gotta wonder if there just outright lies or distortions. 2607:FB91:145B:CB22:AD2:E51:670E:B8A0 (talk) 23:43, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Good post! --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:36, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
"conservative" and "liberal" appear meaningless on the site, the former basically being anything the majority likes and the latter anything they can't stand. If anyone does something they don't like, then the editor is guilty of anti-"conservative" "liberal" bias. 2607:FB91:145B:CB22:AD2:E51:670E:B8A0 (talk) 23:48, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Girly man.

Apparently I am one[27] I would rather be a girlie man than a coward and you are a coward, so much of one that you turned down $20,000 to show your face and debate, money which could well have meant people who are no longer with us survived. They're dead because you are a coward which can be proven. Knowing your fetish with death (Again there is proof) you are almost certain to happy about the fact. There are many proofs that you are a coward and I can prove I am not. Cowardliness is one of the very worst of human virtues as a coward is a liability which puts others at risk. Is that all? Not quite "Pro sodomite sluts and whores" --Mercian (talk) 01:51, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

PS, I post on many websites where I have lots of followers and likes. You only post on a far right hate site which only a few sad bastards like myself read as you are not allowed to post on any others. I have kept my views on yourself to this site so far but it is time to spread my wings and let hundreds of thousands of people know all about Kenneth DeMyer of Buffalo, NY. You want a fight mate, you're on.--Mercian (talk) 01:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Let the thousands know about him Wik 10 14:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
He removed the article.[28]--Mercian Do me a favour Ken, ask Andy about an e-mail I sent him back in 2016 about one of your articles which he deleted. After that you will never slander me again on a public forum(talk) 20:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I find amazing how Ken spends hours upon hours writing all this gibberish just to delete it. He should waste his limited time on Earth on something more useful, his life looks like a living Hell to me. GeeJayK (talk) 20:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
i wonder if ken or cp for matter that survive a twitter storm if one were to generate. i cant imagine it would take much to overwhelm their server. im assuming ken does not have a twitter account or at least not an especially active one. if he was active there he would not be active for long and would see us as christ like and the kindest and most tolerant people that exist on the internet and apologise for being a chatbot made of dogshit. AMassiveGay (talk) 00:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
On a related note, oh my god lmao. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 01:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Pauvre con should try to record himself singing and dancing to it. Preferably not while having a stroke. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 02:00, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
An EP of that, the Amish song, and covers of Jesus is a Winnerman and Tubthumping. LondonGrump (talk) 12:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

The global warming "fraud" in one graph.

[29] It does not feel like a hoax to me sweltering in the hottest temperatures my part of England has ever experienced. There is a possibility that London could be the hottest major city in the world today (5 million plus) at 42 Celsius/108 Fahrenheit. I know scientific consensus disputes that weather and global warming are separate but Conservapedia is the authority on these matters and if a cold spell in New York proves it to be a hoax then Death Valley heat in England proves it is correct. That is logical right?--Mercian (talk) 08:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

You forget that any facts that could serve as evidence against their ideological absurdities is automatically a lie being spread by the commie baby-eaters, and should be ignored. Whereas any information that supports their beliefs should be automatically accepted and never, ever doubted. It's the 'Every stoplight is red for me' fallacy on steroids. They're immune to logic because their evidentiary standards are fully biased in favor of what they want to hear i.e. totally fucked. Semipenultimate (talk) 15:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
True I was lying about sweating my behind of yesterday, it was not about the heat it was about stuffing myself with said babies, see:[30] Anyway, the "anonymous" climate change denier who posted this story obviously does not understand the concept of dry sarcasm[31] --Mercian (talk) 18:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm happy to see Ken take my advice, but he overdid himself. I didn't say stick his entire head in a tailpipe of a malfunctioning Chevy Escalade. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:34, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Ken, we have been over this 3 times

No Ken. Over three successive censuses I have predicted a fall in religious belief in NZ and each time I have told you. And what happens? My predictions have been spot on and yours...not so much by which I mean you have been flat wrong every time. There is another census next year and I predict religious belief will either be flat or have dropped. If there is a rise I would be very surprised but even if there is a rise it'll be tiny. So there's my prediction for you. BTW - I have flown all over the world, had many turbulent and distressing flights and not once has it changed my belief in a god. Shit I have been in some serious earthquakes too and that didn't change my atheism at all. You're an embarrassment. Acei9 22:23, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

He thinks wishfully. The Bible says there will be a falling away in the end, and as a Christian myself, I'd say things look like we're getting close to the end times right now. 71.208.x.x (talk) 23:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Why does this end times thing seem to be a US phenomenon? LondonGrump (talk) 05:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
The SS New Zealand looks remarkably like the SS Atheism that also sunk in very similar conditions. It is also surprising that a processional photographer was there to catch both events as only processionals use black and white film in this day and age.--Mercian (talk) 06:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Ken, firstly I’m not a “marketer”. I hold several high profile positions within the wider sales and marketing industry. Secondly - don’t talk to me about not knowing about long term trends. Ive been right and you’ve been wrong over a time span of nearly 15 years. Stop. You’re wrong, and I am right. That’s that. Acei9 06:42, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Ken, I don’t wear watch. Also I’ve been right in my predictions 3 times and you’ve been wrong 3 times. But, by all means, continue to cling to one mans writing from 12 years ago. I’m sure Kaufman is very happy you are citing him still. Either way - I’m right, you’re wrong. That’s that. Now I’ll go back to my life - dating, working, spending time with mg loving daughter, walking the beach which lies across the road from my house, eating well and, well, not being you. You’re hopeless. Ho Ho Ho. Acei9|
How long has he had this RationalWiki obsessive compulsive disorder? PoorlyDrawnRockford.jpeg Rockford the Roe boop my snootpraise Oscar Wilde 21:24, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Why would anyone have an obsession with a wicked wiki?[32] It all depends on what is viewed as wicked of course. Personally I think some cowardly bastard who revels in terrorism and refers to an 8 year old girl as slut and whore and as pro sodomite and someone who thinks homosexuals should be stoned to death is wicked but that's just me.--Mercian (talk) 01:21, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Projecting again.[33] The big fat bastard calling other people fat and Nancy boys, how sad. He is such a Nancy that he turned down $20,000 so he would not lose face. The staffing shortage is due to hard right polices and BREXIT A-Hole. Something if I remember correctly you were all for. Anyway, Keep supporting The UVF, singing The Sash and posting 15 year olds engaging on sexual activity to your "Atheism and" articles.--Mercian (talk) 03:51, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
BTW, I offered him an olive branch in an email. He ate it. Everything is fair game now. Pro sodomite sluts and whores. Love Mercian--Mercian (talk) 03:51, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Essay: RationalWiki's lack of appeal to the Asian, women audience

I am not sure why the comma is in the title but who I am to argue against a spelling bee champion.[34] It might look bad until it is compared with Conservapedia's page on the same website.[35] The 78,458 higher global ranking which can be verified makes the unverified 0.94% higher female membership irrelevant (neither website requires members to state gender on joining. 0.94% is in the margain of error even if it were) as Rationalwiki will have exponentially more female members due to the far higher membership rate alone. May I take this opportunity to declare total victory over the far right Conservapedia. Ole Ole Ole--Mercian (talk) 01:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Ken quoted Kiwi Farms to bash RW. Yikes. Vomitorium (talk) 02:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
I don't think Conservapedia's racist hollering "China virus" and its fixation on the fact that some people in Asia eat dogs is exactly attracting Asians nor is its essay on how much sucky a wiki is when it's being headed by women (two women mods precisely) is exactly enticing women either. That's not how you use a chopstick, Ken, it's not normally used to gouge your own eyeballs while typing internet essays. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 03:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Oh, and you want some advice attracting Asians? I suggest maybe trying making 风干鸡腿, as I haven't had that in a while and that would be amazing if you can prepare it. However if that's too much work since you need some nice liberal Californian weather, you can boil 餃子. Once the water is boiling you put them in, cover. Wait until the water boils again, then pour a cup of water. Repeat two more times. Drain and serve with sauce. The sauce is 酱油 primarily mixed with 工研乌醋 and 芝麻油. Raw garlic goes well. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 03:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
[36]He responds again with a news story which has since been made a non news story. Celebrating death (again, he is a death cultist after all) and Covid because it killed a few athiests. It killed far more Christians, certainly in The USA because after all American evangelicals were far more likely to shun masks, social distancing and vaccines and promote snake oils such as hydroxychloroquine so 2020 was a worse year for this demographic but as long a few atheists died all is good.--Mercian (talk) 17:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Cherry-picking is literally all they can do, when the demographic and statistical details are totally against them and the false narratives they promote. Again, they don't allow any evidence into their minds that would contradict their political storytelling i.e. their evidentiary standards are completely fucked. Semipenultimate (talk) 15:26, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
All of these "Worst years", "setbacks" and "Ole Ole Ole"'s are the result of some disaster or another. Financial collapses that drive people to religion, "Ole, Ole, Ole". Pandemics that kill more Americans than all of The USA's wars combined, more oles. An asteroid hits The Earth leaving only an isolated island with a population of a few hundred Christians still alive leaving humanity critically endangered, a massive "Setback and THE WORST year in the history of atheism with more gloating oles" --Mercian (talk) 17:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
He really is back to his old ways. Declaring his copy-paste posts "Article of the day/month/year/century/modern era"[37] without any agreement from any of the other 3 or 4 active editors. Posting page after page confirming what is said about him such as Atheism and Dog Eating and The China Virus.[38] and generally obsessing over Rationalwiki. Of course he rarely thinks about atheism and never thinks about this website so the obsession is confusing. I can only think he wants people to think that he is complete fool and thrives on it. Criticising this website for lack of leadership, editors and funds is like an armed robber criticising someone who shoplifts a Mars Bar for being a thief. Sure both are theft but the first is orders of magnitude more serious than the second. I think he is jealous of Rob Smith who has successfully taken his mantle of being the most loathsome of the CP editors and wants his crown back, maybe he will start a new campaign to get Rob banned again. I now expect him to both double and double down on his insane posting before doing a lot of over-siting Sad sad man.--Mercian (talk) 21:24, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Conservapedia down

…all day today (eastern time). 71.208.x.x (talk) 21:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

It goes down quite frequently and fails to update properly when it is not. Often you need to change the search to last 500 or in the last few days to be able to get the latest updates. Question: Is God punishing sites like CP, Gateway Pundit and Infowars for repeatedly breaking the The Ninth Commandment?--Mercian (talk) 16:58, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Who is the bigger narcissist, Andrew Schalfly or Donald Trump?

Both men are self proclaimed experts that usually know nothing about what they are talking of. Both get hostile and make vicious often false personal attacks on anyone that dares to say they are wrong on anything. — Unsigned, by: Icanthinkformyself / talk / contribs

This is a pointless comparison. Bongolian (talk) 15:41, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Seems like try to determine if Narcissus is more beautiful than their reflection.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 16:09, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
You could objectively ask which one is heavier. My guess would be Trump.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 16:21, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
I dunno... Trump's a howling ball of "ME", but Schalfly did try to rewrite the Bible. For pure empty chutzpah that's a hard act to follow. Kencolt (talk) 20:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
perhaps the years of ridicule from everyone including the people he would normally wish to curry favour has grounded him some waht. perhaps hes learned to manage his expect expectations after seeing the guy who beat him to president for the harvard law review do terms as a proper president, all without the aid having a super famous conservative mother and with the added handicap of being black in america. he could probably do without any admiration from his cp pals. if i had the admiration of those folk, id have to reconsider my life choice. oscar wilde said you can judge a man by the quality of his enemies, which makes a nice quote but whats really telling is the quality of your pals. and just look at schaflys.
managing expectations isnt something trump has had to do much of before i guess. born into money, hes someone who isnt to used to being told no. atleast being told no and not being able to find someone willing to tell him yes. being pres must have been a real eye opener for him. getting told no, you cant do that mr president it illegal, and then finding the people willing to say yes to him...well. some are in prison, or looking like they might be in prison soon, and/or getting debarred. guess money cant buy everything in america just yet. maybe theres still hope for it. certainly explains his lusting after dictators. AMassiveGay (talk) 14:27, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

User:Conservative the psychic.

Only hours after posting this link God did indeed smite Britain with the death of our Queen. Amazing, I would love to know how he does it.[39] I guess there is a possibility he read she was gravely ill before he posted but that would suggest he is a (add noun here).--Mercian (talk) 20:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Some perspective is necessary. He could obviously read the globalist illimunati child eating space lizard signals preparing for a handover of power. Also, Rob is still several magnitudes of cunt greater. London Grump OBE (talk) 09:50, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Do I care any more?

Went to edit CP this morning, only to find out that I've been blocked for over a year. Guess I've stopped really caring. Is anyone else still properly engaged? London Grump OBE (talk) 05:56, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Haven't been there in a year or so. They're so deep into the alternate reality they've crafted over the last thirty years, and the cognitive dissonance and double-think are so thick, it's Qanon squared. No event, and no reaction to said event, bear any resemblance to objective reality. If I need an alternate universe, that's what D&D with friends is for - and has the added benefit that I don't have to base my entire personality on it, as is the case with their radical lunatic burn-down-the-modern-world 'conservatism'. Semipenultimate (talk) 14:49, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
An alternate reality were homophobes, fascists and white nationalists are somehow liberal and Putin is a great man, a defender of free speech and no way way a murdering demagogue. There is also a person who THROWS STONES from his most glassy of greenhouses. A person to whom I put on my gloves to converse with but he put on an extra pair.--Mercian (talk) 16:34, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
It's gotten to the point even Ken is coming here instead of posting over there. Funnily enough in my new contract I have a few staff that I manage who are really good at their jobs so I can delegate quite a bit of work to them which gives me a bit of downtime during the day (if not in fucking endless meetings) so, among other pursuits, I have been occasionally dipping into the CP archives for a bit of a giggle and Ken's Question Evolution! nonsense is particularly funny. It was during his whole period where he was pretending to be a collective instead of a sad old man and talking endlessly about how he was creating a QE booklet for middle school students. It's so precious how much belief he had in QE grinding evolution to dust. As of today evolution is still the undeniable dominant fact of biology so I am not quite sure what he thought he would achieve. Acei9 19:46, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Step 1: he publishes the QE! booklet. Step 2. Step 3: like a panel out of a Chick tract, kids across the globe trample their Biology textbooks while fussy teachers screams at them about how they're just monkeys. Semipenultimate (talk) 14:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Whoever wrote that now deleted pastiche is a genius.

In case you missed it:

":::::I am familiar with the Question Evolution blog. The blog said that a woman was going to be the author of the Question Evolution book/booklet for middle school students. Whether she published the book/booklet, Ace does not know. And I am quite sure that there are plenty of Christians, Jews and Muslims who deny the evolutionary hypothesis which is certainly not a scientific law. But even if it were a scientific law, the scientific law called the law of parity is now rejected by scientists and it is now in the dustbin of history. Ace may not be aware of this, but science is provisional in nature.

By the way Ace, have you read The Guardian's June 28, 2022 article Do we need a new theory of evolution?? The beginning of the article is absolutely splendid and starts out: "A new wave of scientists argues that mainstream evolutionary theory needs an urgent overhaul... Strange as it sounds, scientists still do not know the answers to some of the most basic questions about how life on Earth evolved." Correct me if I am wrong Ace, but The Guardian isn't written by zealous, religious fundamentalists. By in large, The Guardian is written by secular, politically left-leaning evolutionists. And it is headquartered in the UK which is the country that is the fountainhead of Darwinism and had Charles Darwin on its currency. ButterCashiers (talk) 19:30, 22 September 2022 (UTC)"

London Grump OBE (talk) 19:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm on holiday so have no time for this for the next week except to say - we both know there's no book. It doesn't appear anywhere online, no reference anywhere, except CP and has been scrubbed from the blog. Give us an ISBN, a link, a .pdf, a word doc, A quote from Sun Tzu maybe about being formless? No victory to be had. Ha. Acei9 19:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
How have many thousands of school children read a publication that has no record of an an online or offline posting, Dark Web perhaps? Conversing with kids on he open web can be a bit dodgy, doing it on the Dark Web on the other hand, nothing underhand about that at all. Does The USA have laws about potentially censoring publications aimed at children and would that mean publishing it without these checks be illegal? --Mercian (talk) 21:34, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
3rd place in a spelling bee was a proud boast that we had to be informed of. if there were a book we would have been told of it. constantly. and to great fanfare. there'd links to dubious stats and assertions to its impact in defeating atheism ole ole ole. what we have is 'you dont know i/the collective didnt produce a pamphlet'. pretending to not notice when its brought would have been a better choice than 'for me to know and you to find out' dogshit. we've all probably over promised stuff but im embarrassed for you ken. thats pitiful even for your standards AMassiveGay (talk) 22:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Don’t forget he once went to a social occasion where he might have danced with a sweet, long-haired creationist lady. That combined with the spelling bee and we have a regular ladies man on our hands. If that isn’t something to trumpet to the world I don’t know what is. And yeah, if this booklet existed in any form it would have been splattered all over the main page. Maybe one of his writers caught a cold again. Acei9 05:01, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Smith's idea of true democracy in action.

[40]"If you vote to stay part of The Ukraine you will be shot." Similar to "elections" in North Korea. Conservapedia: A bastion of free speech and human rights.--Mercian (talk) 16:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Smith is the worst. Ken is at least on the fence on this subject. GeeJayK (talk) 16:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Or maybe Andy is the worst since he allows Smith to write these articles on his site.
Ken is against it. Andy was first on the fence until Trump came out against Russia. Trump then sat on the fence and Andy, of course, followed his master's lead. It's as simple as that, Andy's opinions change depending on Trump's words or actions. I would not be suprised if Trump did a huge U turn and said he wants all immigrants to be given citizenship, all guns to be banned and unrestricted abortion Andy would at least consider following suit.--Mercian (talk) 17:44, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
kens has consistently trolling the saloon bar with talk of corrupt ukrainians and nato aggression. hes sure to mention 'hes no fan of russia' at the same time, but i think thats because the war is not going well for putin and he cant crow about western hubris being exposed by the right wing pin up and authoritarian leader of a regime that hates all the same people as ken does. no fan of russia he says, but hes even less of a fan of ukraine, and hes been making that very clear AMassiveGay (talk) 20:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
I don't think Andy even cares anymore, he drops in every now and again to update something but it appears he has given up. Ed Poor dropped in the other day but outside Rob and Ken the place is pretty much finished. Even Ken comes over here now because he is completely ignored everywhere else. But yeah, Rob is indulging his wildest fantasies without anyone to question him. And fuck he comes up with some complete nonsense. It is amazing just how far he has gone. Those Ukrainians in the areas Russia has taken voted to annex themselves to Russia. 96% of the vote was to join Russia - I'm sure that sounds totally legit to Rob. Acei9 21:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Rob is fundamentally a propagandist, and has always been one. He uses lies -- subtle and not-so-subtle -- regularly. A recent example is his insistence that Zelensky's call for striking Russia before they use nukes was a call to nuke Russia. Of course it wasn't, and Zelensky has said so forcefully. Rob is welcome to his fever-dreams, and to not believe Zelensky's denials. But putting "preemptive nuclear strike" in quotes as a citation goes the extra mile to lying propaganda. Since it's CP, there's no need to link to any actual quotation with the words he just put in Zelensky's mouth. Paranoids make the best propagandists. Whoover (talk) 00:33, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Kin El.

After he spent more than a year away I've just noticed that Creepy Uncle Ed has made a reappearance. Oldusgitus (talk) 16:51, 29 September 2022 (UTC) Moved to right place

Does anyone else have connection issues with Conservapedia?

It can't be just me right? Cause if it isn't, Schlafly's provider must be incredibly shitty to keep buffering whenever you try to search something on their website. Vee (talk) 15:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

when has cp not had connection issues? AMassiveGay (talk) 18:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
So the website itself is of incompetent design? That's hilarious. Vee (talk) 18:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
The whole thing is a mess. Sometimes shows the compact version of the site, sometimes the old-school browser version. Recent Changes lags a day behind what any individual user's contributions are.RagingHippie (talk) 22:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Comment made by small person of my acquaintance a while ago 'Oh dear, what a pity, never mind' applies here. Anna Livia (talk) 19:15, 26 October 2022 (UTC)


Trolling? Or literally believes that Putin is the good guy and NATO/the West are evil? He's making literally the same arguments I see on hard-left/tankie/antiimperialism Twitter. RagingHippie (talk) 22:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

While normally I would be loathe to cite horseshoe theory (there's a reason it's considered fringe), I think this would qualify as such.... If it weren't for the fact that the reason tankies and fash support Russia are for completely separate reasons. Still, it's farcical how so-called leftists support a decidedly capitalist, fascist government just because it opposes NATO. The conflict between Russia and NATO ain't ideological, it purely has to do with games of geopolitical dominance. The USSR ain't comin' back, lmao. Vee (talk) 22:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Considering so-called "MAGA communism", I'm hesitant to say that most of the Russia defense is coming from the left. Plutocow (talk) 22:33, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Fair point, I would hardly consider these types to be leftist either, tho that may be running afoul of the No True Scotsman fallacy. Then again, terms like "left" or "right" are inherently vague. Vee (talk) 22:36, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly, the ML Wiki is also cheering for Putin. That means we have a fascist and a tankie wiki supporting him. Or, as someone on the Saloon said, the left likes Moscow, the right likes Putin. Down here is the same. Part of the left is even supporting Iran on the prostest since they are anti-western. GeeJayK (talk) 22:39, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
I wouldn't paint the left in such a broad brush. I certainly don't support either. And yeah, that wiki is laughable. I was just browsing it. (Of course it contains the usual lies about "Kronstadt being a Western backed plot," as well as the hilarious claim that "anarchism has been reactionary since 1917". This ignores the fact that it was Lenin who brought back Tsarism to Russia, and deliberately crushed the worker's councils.) Vee (talk) 22:42, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Their article on "People's Korea" is gold as well. Vee (talk) 22:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
By "left" I meant the nuttiest part of the left, not everyone, of course. Hopefully, most of the left (and even on the right) do not support Putin and Russia AFAIK. GeeJayK (talk) 22:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, that didn't last long...


Ken can quit any time here likes of course... Acei9 23:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

What happened? --Luigifan18 (talk) 23:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Ken had a ten second retirement. Vee (talk) 23:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Ahhhhhh I see what he has done. The "inactive" note has been up on his page for days now. Ken sneakily recreated his page, made a few edits, then put the banner back again with a new date. I did have the image saved from a week ago (or thereabouts) when he put that banner up but now he has pretended it just went up now. I call that deceit. Ken lies? Who knew! Acei9 23:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
My monocle just flew right off my face. Gadzooks! Semipenultimate (talk) 16:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

I can't wait

I'm looking forward to seeing a new Ken screed whining that he can't create new socks to abuse the bar because, whatever. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 01:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Don't tempt him. Vee (talk) 01:41, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!
You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Cosmikdebris just wants to let you know you did something silly.

cosmikdebris talk stalk 01:49, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Delusions of adequacy

So apparently nobs is now 'dealing with' the nuclear threat from Russia in the Ukraine. Oldusgitus (talk) 17:40, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

I see we got the best of the public on this issue. Rabbitseatcarrots (talk) 17:43, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
The nuclear threat is not from Russia it's to Russia. In every aspect of the war Russia is the righteous golden light shining in the pits of darkness that is .The Ukraine Mordor. Ukrainian children are young orcs who must be destroyed before their evil bears fruit and destroys the world. That is how that twisted excuse for a human sees it.--Mercian (talk) 15:41, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
The evil is so dour that China, the nation that attacked The World with the manufactured Covid virus not three years ago is now a nation of moral superiority, just as "Uncle Joe" and The USSR was 80 years ago.[41]--Mercian (talk) 15:53, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

The Conservapedia Crew finally disabled public viewership of recent changes

First they banned account creation, now this. Has Andy finally given up on his dream of creating the right-wing Wikipedia? Vee (talk) 23:29, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Naw, the stupid site defaults to the mobile view on non-phones for some stupid reason, and "recent changes" is not readily accessed from the mobile view. It's still there. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 02:32, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Desktop view is really gay. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 02:33, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Is conservapedia down for everyone?

Is down for everyone else as well or just me? CPWatcher (talk) 14:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Still up for me. SwampFox (talk) 16:08, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Unavailable for 24 or so hours for me. RagingHippie (talk) 22:02, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
I've been able to get to it all day, but it sure is acting wanky. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 22:16, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Down for me too. Incompetent web host, thy name is Schlafly! Vee (talk) 22:14, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
They're geo-blocking again. Using my isp in the UK I can't access it, using winscribe connecting via their Atlanta vpn site is fine. I suspect this from kenny boy explains it.Oldusgitus (talk) 06:17, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
A paraphrase for those of us who consider CP not sufficiently worth 'pursuing the technicalities'?
Are they annoyed at 'the rest of the world' accepting the results of the democratically held elections? Anna Livia (talk) 12:32, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
That is part of it for sure. The MSM are reporting that predicted "Tsunamis" and "Bloodbaths" are actually pebbles thrown into ponds and tiny pin pricks in peoples thumbs, lying bastards that they are. The Ukraine thing makes sense with Rob Smith being THE authority on Russia and The Ukraine Conservapedia would be a major target for them, perhaps even more so than retaking lost territory which they actually stole in the first place and hoisting The Swastika up The Kremlin's flag pole.--Mercian (talk) 13:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
For Anna, this is what ken wrote, directed at nobs
== Attacks on website ==
I have a feeling that the latest attacks on this website are related to your criticisms of the corrupt country of Ukraine. Lately, liberals/leftists care more about the territorial/border integrity of Ukraine than the territorial/border integrity of the United States. Conservative (talk) 22:23, November 9, 2022 (EST
You have to spare a thought for Ken though. His main targets on CP are trolling Europeans, especially British (Pot holes, bestiality, Darwin on fivers, victims of terrorism deserving it as Ariana Grande is a **** etc etc etc). He normally comes up with a response doubling down when his is criticised here but now us European heathens are unable to read it. If he was borderline wasting him time before he certainly will be now. I have privately warned him (actual details I will not tell as I gave my word to not do so) that putting all your eggs in CP's basket is no more than stupidity.--Mercian (talk) 13:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

As of 1PM Pacific Time, on 10 November, it looks like this site is growing rapidly.RagingHippie (talk) 21:19, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh yeah, 5-6 edits by a single user. So vibrant. Vee (talk) 21:20, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
That's part of the wankiness I noticed yesterday. Their "recent changes" page appears to be served up from cache and what you see is not necessarily the current version. If you refresh your own local web browser cache, you should see a current version of that page. It seems they have their web server configuration all fucked up. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 22:36, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── They're really so petty that they'd block an entire continent? That's talent right there. Vee (talk) 19:19, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

It's not so much blocking an entire continent as blocking a whole range of IP addresses. It reached it's peak over there during the time to TK who used range blocking to such an extent that at one stage over half the worlds IP addresses were blocked iirc. I'm guessing that just now they've been getting ddos attacks and are range blocking in an attempt to stop them. Oldusgitus (talk) 06:52, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
The bad news: it's back. The good news: they all want to fucking kill each other on Talk: Main. RagingHippie (talk) 08:16, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
And it's as bad as ever. Constant 303 pages needing endless refreshing in order to read it. Oldusgitus (talk) 08:26, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The web design is still incompetent as fuck. Is the main page always set to "mobile"? Vee (talk) 15:24, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

What's Andy's beef with microbreweries?

Just seen the link to this diff on the WIGO and...why? What's the veiled reference to a sports team in St Louis? CPWatcher (talk) 12:28, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

doesnt a branch of the family own a brewery? doesnt like competition? AMassiveGay (talk) 12:49, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Schlafly BeerWikipedia is a microbrewery based in St. Louis and founded by Andy's estranged cousins Tom and David Schlafly. In 2011, Andy made a failed attempt to stop them copyrighting the Schlafly name. So this is another of Andy's long held grudges. And an intrafamily one this time. Spud (talk) 13:18, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
You'd think that his man crush on Brett Kavanaugh would be enough to get him to like beer, but hey. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:09, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Brits are slackers

[42] Because there are too many vacancies and not enough workers. Says the man who has not had a job in at least a decade. We Brits are working are arses off trying to take up the slack. Ken,the pro Brexit extremist (not that it is any of his business) is now blaming non conservatives for the fact that the conservatives sent all the people home who would have filled those vacancies. I notice he is now on board with Rob about the slaughter, war crimes etc that The Russians are committing in The Ukraine. Anyone who supports this evil has no place to criticise anyone.--Mercian (talk) 06:14, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

In typical Ken fashion, he linked to an article for quote mining purposes, that gave an actual reason for "the slack". (One that happened to demolish his silly obsession with atheism). Essentially the Bloomberg piece says that the "slacking" primarily comes from the near-elderly bloc (55-64), who are largely not taking jobs for health reasons. Per the Bloomberg article, they link this to the slow rot in the NHS of late. BobJohnson (talk) 16:43, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
I asked him nicely but in no uncertain terms to stop slandering The UK, he agreed. I gave him a chance to prove he is not the person that he portrays on Conservapdeia and for a while he did quite well but ultimately he failed on both points. His word is worth nothing.--Mercian (talk) 20:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
There was a period where Ken and I had a series of cordial email exchanges. But I realised I didn’t actually want to have to be polite to someone as awful as him so I cut him loose. Polite yes, but still a fucking awful person. Acei9 20:47, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
[43]He cherry picks your response highlighting the polite aspect. Norman Bates was polite.--Mercian (talk) 17:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
wow… I mean… wow. That’s so powerfully bad. Fuck man get a fucking hobby. Jesus dude, get a drug habit. Anything is better than this. Acei9 19:08, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Ken needs to touch grass. Vee (talk) 19:28, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
I suggest they get a hobby called 'reading'. It's great; you learn things (the best one are called 'facts') and if nothing else, it makes you a better 'debater'. The times they make such basic errors that the rest is quite clearly not worth reading (esp liked the one where they talked about Deutschmarks like it was still a functioning currency). KarmaPolice (talk) 21:59, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
I just find it amazing it has been 10 years - more even, and Ken is still spouting the same thing. Just the same recycled gibberish, something about Eric Kaufmann or whomever saying something in 2006 about the collapse of the secular world, Sun Zhu and other nonsense. Same shit for years on end and nothing he has done or said has had any impact anywhere. No 15 Questions booklet for middle school students, no information about Heribert Nilsson which he banged on about for ages but couldn't answer straightforward questions. While he's doing all this I have been married, divorced, had a daughter, grew my career, wrote a book (started in a second one also) and moved my life forward as I am sure everyone here has. Ken is exactly the same, nothing has changed and he has no achievements. Ken - get help. Get outdoors. Go on holiday. Jerk some smack. Do something. Acei9 22:06, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Practically, Conservapedia is down to two editors (nobs and Ken), and they don't seem to like each other at all, favoring different forms of extremist bullshit. There's other occasional edits made, but they are a sideshow to what seems like the bulk of the site's edits, Ken's green ink style "essays" and nobs Putin worship. It's pretty much a dumpster fire of little relevance today. The egregiously xenophobic, egotistical, narcissistic nature of Ken's "essays" are appalling, sure, but after years of the same old shit, it's also repetitive and boring, of use only for green ink enthusiasts who leer at the craziness like rubberneckers do at a car crash. BobJohnson (talk) 23:45, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Ken will smack down Rob, he has done it before and got Rob banned from memory. It was fun to watch. I don't know what Ken has over Andy but Andy lets Ken rim him every time. Acei9 01:49, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
I said he was polite, psychotic would be a better description .He littered his essay with a picture of a failed would be fascist dictator, some crap US Military (good at pushing buttons, shouting Sir yes Sir but crap at everything else) and the sinking ship SS New Zealand Atheism which I swear was once called SS British Atheism, SS European Atheism and plain old SS Atheism. Speaking of Trump, last week he stated he wanted to tear up The US Constitution in order to overturn the 2020 election. I thought these extreme conservative types were devoted to this document so much they wear it as clothing. Why is there no uproar from these pricks? The only I see good in that is that no Constitution = no Second Amendment. As I said, fascism.--Mercian (talk) 02:55, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
I like how he says divorce is a failure. Ha ha ha - you got divorced loser! When you get beyond the great achievement that is possibly going dancing with a long haired creationist lady we can talk. Sorry, forgot the spelling bee prize too. Acei9 09:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

<reset>Divorce can be a success - people do change over time etc etc, and better an 'Oh dear that didn't work out' is better than a lifetime of misery together (simplifying somewhat). Also 'in times gone by' people not infrequently remarried on the partner's death for practical reasons. Anna Livia (talk) 15:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah my divorce was the best thing that could happen. We just grew apart because I was working overseas all the time and she remained at home rearing our child so we just grew apart. We parted as friends and have a beautiful 9 yr old daughter now which we co-parent (for the most part). I'm not sure where the failure is? I know it isn't as esteemed as failing to write a middle school book about the 15 Questions which Evolutionists cannot satisfactorily have answered over and over or spending time on the phone with a long haired creationist sweet heart but you gotta take what you can get in this life. Acei9 17:46, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
"Women know your place" I do believe that ASchalfly stated that if the man wants a divorce that is undesirable but his right. In this viewpoint the woman has no such rights. She has the right to be assaulted, gas-lighted an even raped by her husband but not to leave him. Saint Donald has been divorced twice and accused of doing all these to his wives so it must be OK--Mercian (talk) 18:41, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
My divorce was by mutual consent. There were a few harsh words at first, to be expected really, but after a couple of weeks when I moved out and went to Australia for a bit things turned civil, respectful and friendly again. We'd still have lunch together, spend time with our daughter together. Things have become more distant now (it was 6 years ago after all) but it wasn't a failure. I'm sure Ken's marriage is still strong after all these years. Acei9 20:01, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Seriously, are we being cruel? A few choice words here and he goes off on an unhealthy editing spree. He has even updated his differences between Andy's late mum and RW editors. You know the one, where we posted all the differences on this page such as RW editors believe in human rights, women's rights, equal rights for minorities etc. It's also cruel as Ken has been torn a new one so many times that it really makes a mess when he has to do Number Twos.--Mercian (talk) 20:13, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
I have no sympathy over being cruel to someone as cruel as Ken. Acei9 20:34, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Also I am winding down at work for the holidays so keeping myself entertained in between urgent jobs that need attending to. Acei9 20:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
I actually need to apologise to Ken. All this time I have been suggesting he won 3rd place in a spelling bee. My figures were off and he actually won 4th place. Sorry Ken. Acei9 20:39, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Oh wow - I just looked at CP for the first time today. He's still going on about my divorce and not going forward - but going backwards. Funny how he cherry picked that part and not grew my career, wrote a book (started in a second one also) and moved my life forward as I am sure everyone here has. And I don't wish to be irresistible to my ex-wife, I don't find her irresistible either. I'm juggling some 3 girlfriends currently so I am not really worried about what my ex-wife thinks. I'm going to a Pixies concert tomorrow night - looking forward to the possibility that maybe a member of the Ace McWicked account might dance with a long haired sweet lady. Anyway - I now have some work come across my desk which I should get to. Acei9 20:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Against my better judgement I had a quick look at "Atheism and Divorce" where Ken says atheists have a divorce rate of 31% but interestingly he links to a page which is filled with broken links and have no actual studies to back it up. Whereas if you run a quick Google search you see atheists actually have some of the lowest divorce rates. Ken fails again. Acei9 21:19, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Oh even better - Ken's, um, "reference" for his divorce statistics has broken links to a Barna study. So I did a bit of work on his behalf and Barna provides the study which, would you look at that! Epic epic fail Ken...Ole! Acei9 21:25, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Pew Research in 2022. Oh Ken, you never actually checked did... Acei9 21:32, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
"I am not going to be writing about a secular leftist wiki" (Proceeds to spend oodles of time and edits writing about users on a secular leftist wiki). Honestly, he really should take his own advice and "dwell on the great abundance of wonderful things in God's creation" instead, but we know he won't. BobJohnson (talk) 21:33, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
This "Secular leftist wiki" is the main motivation is his life. He has trolled many sites and got banned from them, sites which do not even know Conservapedia exists. A born troll needs an audience and this site is the only one he gets a reaction from. If Rationalwiki were to close today he would be devastated. Kind of like the son who hates his father is heartbroken when he dies.--Mercian (talk) 01:52, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
If the wiki were to disappear maybe he'd finally finish his vaunted magnum opus. Granted nobody would read it but still: Progress! Vee (talk) 01:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Conservapedia RobSapedia

Conservapedia is now just Rob's plaything with Andy occasionally adding a news item and Ken doing whatever the fuck Ken does. CP is an utter failure with two users running amok because they have no where else to go. It has gone with a whimper, not a bang... Acei9 01:15, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Putinpropagandapedia --Mercian (talk) 18:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

"I will not talk about a secular leftist wiki"

Bold words for a dude who spends all his time vandalizing this wiki of supposedly little note. Vee (talk) 18:41, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Atheism and sexual satisfaction? That's hilarious coming from a guy who comes across as a dude who's been shooting into a Kleenex for the last 10 years. Acei9 20:30, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
How about Christianity and possibly dancing with a sweet long haired creationist lady. Maybe. or Creationism and coming 4th place in a spelling bee. Even Creationism, failure and the 15 Questions Evolutionists can't satisfactorily answer handbook for middle school student? Some good content there. Acei9 20:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Who would merit the "Chief Time Waster" RW Award of 2022 for Conservapedia? Rob or Ken? Vee (talk) 22:18, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
I am not sure about "Chief Time Waster" but the chief (use expletive that you wish) is Rob hands down. In 2022 he has supported the mass murder of civilians including children because "All Ukrainians are Nazis" Blamed NATO and the EU for the war and committed near treason to his own country. Second is Andy for allowing him to post his hate filled treasonous rhetoric on his website. Ken is a distant third.--Mercian (talk) 08:34, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Question: Why Did the Global Media Give Brazil’s Lula a Free Pass on Corruption?

[44]Answer: Brazil did not give a free pass on corruption like America did not give a free pass on voter fraud. Bolsonaro and Trump are two very rotten peas from a decayed pod as are their cults. They lost fair democratic elections so democracy goes out of the window. Both attempted coups to overturn these fair elections, thankfully they failed. Conservapedia, a bastion of fascism run by a bunch of Trump Cult fascists.--Mercian (talk) 18:45, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

fascists? they're pro labor national syndicalists fr? wow fascinating cuz I thought they hated unions as commies and comsymps or whatever Mental sharpener (talk) 19:22, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
As often is the case, do these folks actually read the "main stream media"? In this case, it is Cato just asking questions, with the answer being (in accordance with Betteridge's law), "they didn't". Funnily enough, Cato actually cites "global media" articles dealing with Lula's corruption (typically the Wall Street Journal, but Lula's corruption was reported pretty much everywhere). Cato clickbait is clickbait, anyone with a functioning brain cell knew that this election was (roughly) The Thief vs. the Autocratic-Wannabe Asshole. BobJohnson (talk) 19:45, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
The character of the men does not matter in this case, the election according to international observers was both free and fair. It is obvious what Ken is getting at here if you read between lines. The attempted overthrow of the election was justified as was the "peaceful" storming of The US Capitol. Right wing extremists across the world are being conned by atheistic baby eating dog shagging liberal scum and they have to fight back. Conservapedia IE Andy has expressed preference to 1930s Germany over the 1930s UK and shown support for The British National Party (BNP). Tell me they are not fascists?.--Mercian (talk) 20:06, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Troll Vee (talk) 20:49, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
I think it's been pretty obvious that Conservapedia's three main users has been on a fascist bent (specifically the slightly different Putin style of fascism that is doesn't quite have a name yet, the current Wiki article on this style is RuscismWikipedia). No need to repeat old news. :) BobJohnson (talk) 21:17, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Who cares - just Ken's latest "Checkmate atheist's!" nonsense again, just a different topic. I'm not quite why he thinks anyone actually is actually quivering in their boots because web traffic to atheist related material is low. Also there was delightful, err, "essay" wherein he lists his achievements. Pretty poor by anyone's standards. If that's the best he has, well, no one has anything to fear. I am fairly sure my promotion in a couple of months won't be affected by a 4th place Spelling Bee winner. I was going to put a bit of a Ken moratorium on myself but it's just too painfully pathetic to ignore sometimes. Acei9 21:34, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
how many ladies have you nearly danced with though? checkmate atheist AMassiveGay (talk) 21:37, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Don't forget they need to be long haired creationist sweetheart ladies, or thin Indian lady dancers. Oh which for myself, sadly, none. Though I did have sex a couple days ago so... checkmate creationists! Acei9 21:56, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Why worship malevolent being when you can just worship yourself? That's the LaVeyan way.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 22:46, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
how more or less tragic would it be if 'dance' is a euphemism? AMassiveGay (talk) 23:15, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Remember he didn't state he was going to dance but that he might dance with a long hair sweet creationist lady. I remember when he bragged about his spelling bee prowess but modesty prevented him from telling us what it was...turns out it was 4th place - amazing. And what's this shit about if we know SEO then why isn't RW and some other websites ranking higher - checkmate? Dude I get fucking paid to do it - I have no interest in working for free just to boost the search term "atheism" on a search engine beginning with G. Besides which I am in a totally different job now so...fuck that guy is a mess. Anyway - that was a rant because I am all caffeinated, full of codeine, and hiding in my corner at work. Behind dual screens and looking at my Fathers Day card my daughter got framed for me. Lovely. Acei9 23:37, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Do you mean the Christian Indian dancers who happen to be Hindu or the Indian dancers photographed reading The Question Evolution Booklet? That booklet has been a while, he posted a since deleted photo of a man on stilts at a fair reading it complete with 1970s/early 1980s cars parked in the background--Mercian (talk) 01:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
I tell a lie, it was not Indian dancers reading the booklet it was East Asian girls. The Orient is a hotbed of creationism after all.--Mercian (talk) 01:21, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Essay: 7 reasons the godless British have become the most pathetic sissies in the world

[45]Almost but not quite. One person outranks us and his his name is Ken D'myer. A proven, with overwhelming evidence, liar, coward, fascist, racist, xenophobe, con artist and all round disgusting excuse for a human being. In private emails he agreed to stop these slurs and in return I agreed to keep our conversations confidential. Do you think as he has failed on his part that I am entitled to divulge what was said? --Mercian (talk) 15:14, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

the straight up homophobia on display tells me you are not bound by anything promised to that piece of dogshit AMassiveGay (talk) 18:06, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
OK, a benign one to start with. He gave the a impression that he is very insecure about his faith and he is far from certain about his belief in an omniscient god. He is however terrified that there is no god therefore projecting hatred to those who certainly do not believe, IE atheists. He also gave the impression that he somehow pays a penance or even punishes himself for all the deceit and lies he spews on Consevapedia hedging his bets so to speak. What he did make obvious was he is a very unhappy and lonely man who will do whatever it takes to receive attention even if it is scathing to him like what he gets on this website.--Mercian (talk) 18:36, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
A quick message to Ken. You like to quote historical military leaders so Google Air Chief Marshal Sir Arthur Harris and learn what this most famous/infamous quote is. Stick to your word that you gave me and delete these articles and call a truce or I will reap.--Mercian (talk) 18:45, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
heh, apologists of all stripes strike me as a little insecure, like they are trying to convince themselves more than anything - why else care if others dont believe what you believe unless you are somehow threatened by that disbelief? the second half of the above though was always painfully obvious. AMassiveGay (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
If he didn’t live up to his end of the bargain then you owe him nothing. Also I don’t know why he is gloating about RW’s web traffic dropping. RW outranks CP so where’s the big celebration? Acei9 22:40, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
He has doubled down and refused the offer of a truce so: He absolutely hates what Russia is doing in The Ukraine but retaining Andy's favour is more important to him than his own principles. He was becoming a bit of an outcast by not towing the CP line that all Ukrainian's are Nazis and Putin is a bastion of all that is good so decided fellow travel agreeing with Rob who he despises to stay relevant. Rob has to watch his back though as there is a proverbial dagger waiting for him as soon as he turns it. Next, unless the essay is deleted we will get onto the his sexuality. Sissies has a lot of relevance to it. --Mercian (talk) 22:57, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
not entirely sure i wanna know AMassiveGay (talk) 23:11, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
the ghost of haggard moves over the water Vee (talk) 23:22, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
using human frailty as a stick to beat people with, even if they are a dogshit person, doesnt really sit well with me. its the kinda thing ken does all the time. im not a fan of the whole 'haggards law' canard either. there is too much homophobic sentiment present in the mocking of the closeted and the suffering such internal conflict results in. we should be betterAMassiveGay (talk)
While outing someone doesn't sit well with me at the same time someone who is so hateful towards homosexuality and using their religion to justify it getting their comeuppance does sit well with me so I am quite conflicted. Acei9 00:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
That said - I don't think Ken would ever admit homosexuality to an RW editor so I don't think that is what Mercian is referring to. Acei9 00:01, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Outing someone is ethically wrong, yes, but so is out and out homophobia. I too am conflicted on this. Either way Ken's a massive POS, so I am not too concerned about him, but more of the potential moral imperative involved here. Vee (talk) 03:55, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Ken is a sad and quite hateful person and also obviously deeply troubled but outing him, if that is what is being suggested/implied is wrong with a capital W. To many people have been hounded to death because of their sexuality, both in the US and elsewhere. I for one want nothing to do with RW being involved in the possible hounding of a deeply troubled person. Just imagine if he were to commit suicide due to it, again if that is what is being suggested. How would you feel then? Oldusgitus (talk) 06:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Yes. @Mercian Stop now. Spud (talk) 07:15, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Still can't see any world in which Ken would ever admit homosexuality to anyone, least of all to an RW editor. But this is all a bit weird and slightly uncomfortable.. Acei9 08:54, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
This thread has been derailed in typical RW fashion. Vee (talk) 09:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
I am glad to see you all backing Ken on this. Fighting back at hatred including towards this site is a little to much I see. Perhaps he is right about RWs wokeness. --Mercian (talk) 10:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
This is my last post on RW. Have a nice life now.--Mercian (talk) 10:24, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Biblical translation insights

I wonder why that page and related ones link to an outside version of the Bible instead of CBP... London Grump OBE (talk) 19:10, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

CBP? Vee (talk) 19:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
@Vee Conservapedia:The Conservative Bible Project.
It is as terrible as the name suggests. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 19:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Oh wow. Huh. I uh... yeah no wonder they don't link to that shit. Old shames and all that. Vee (talk) 19:48, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
I put the WIGO up. Having been an avid fan of WIGO CP for many years I finally decided to put my first one up, so it’s a bit of a learning process. Apologies for any confusion. Andy’s still editing the CBP, but now seems to be summarising some of his lunacy in a handy new page. It’s a boon for us, curious Christians and God. JumboWhales (talk) 23:01, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Good way to break your duck. London Grump OBE (talk) 16:31, 20 January 2023 (UTC)'s that time again

I have been on RW since almost the beginning. Joined some 9 months after RW was launched. Every 4 years NZ has it's census and every 4 years, this will be the forth time, I put a challenge to Ken - a challenge which he has failed to meet 3 times in a row now. I make a prediction on what the census results will be regarding religion because Ken bangs on and on and on, using the same quotes from Eric Kaufmann dating back to 2006 (get some new fucking material dude), about how religious belief will increase, about how atheism is dead or dying etc. Ken never meets my challenge - he just equivocates, uses the same boring and tired old talking points and every time my predictions come true. So, Ken - it's that time again. Previously I have predicted that religious belief in NZ will drop with each census, leading to the last census which showed Christianity dropped below 50% and no-religion rising to some 39% (from memory - it was around that anyway). My prediction this time... it will level off. There'll be some variance due to COVID and the like so religious belief may rise slightly or drop slightly but I think it'll remain mostly static this time. Your move, pal. Will you show some machismo or will just repeat the same old gibberish? Hey, at least you are getting some attention now. But come on, man. Give it a shot - make a prediction using your superior intellect. Or fail again. Acei9 06:03, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Total failure Ken. You reference a Massey University study from 2008 which canvassed 2040 people but only had a response rate 1027 people. I referenced a 2018 Census with a response rate of somewhere in the region of 4.5 million people which shows now 49% of people now describe themselves as having 'no-religion'. Pretty sure I know which is the more rigorous and authoritive figure here - can you figure it out? Then you reference a bunch of weak sauce arguments which don't have any predictive power and have failed each tome you have tried to push any sort of "prediction" about religion in NZ. Failure after failure after failure - failure spanning 13 years. Acei9 00:04, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
It's also quite obvious you didn't read the paper because the same paper you are using to make your points explains approx. 50% of people believe in god/s but half of which have doubts and 30% are either agnostic or atheist. 40% of the 1040 respondents believe the bible to consist of fables and parables written by men. So your referencing of this study is not only very poor as far as a reference goes given the poor response rate and it doesn't even say what you want it to say. Failure, failure, failure. Acei9 00:09, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
And then you reference the 2018 census to show Evangelical belief rising but that reference is completely at odds with the first study you cite from Massey - they both can't be true - which is it then? A complete and utter failure. Spouting the same nonsense you have spouted for over a decade despite the fact you have been proven wrong in your "predictions" every time. Huge, total and utter failure. Acei9 00:17, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Ken, it doesn't matter what the nones believe - fact is they don't believe in Christianity (or any other organised religion - otherwise they would have selected it) which is steadily dropping and has been for over a decade. So you know, tough shit. You still made multiple failures as listed above. Nothing changes that. Acei9 01:07, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Dishonesty and failure - par for the course

Ken, Ken, Ken - firstly to your dishonesty. Here you reference a extremely small study (1040 respondents) from 2008 to make the claim that 72% of NZer's believe in a God but then you reference the 2018 census to claim that religious fundamentalism is growing. This is intellectually dishonest - you are using two references to prove two different things which conflict with each other on the major points you make. They both can't be right. Pick one - I would pick the Census as it is far an away the superior metric.
Secondly you crow, proudly, about how religious fundamentalism is growing and NZ is becoming post-secular. This is your failure because the same statistics you are using, the census of 2018 show, unequivocally, the NZ is becoming more secular, not less. This is not a matter of debate. It is completely factual. If we look at the data then it shows fundamentalism growing by 27,111 people between 2001 and 2018 but Christianity lost 305,205 adherents during the same period - the rise in fundamentalism cannot sustain the significant drop. So, you fail. I don't expect you to address your dishonesty or to rethink your claims based upon the actual figures because that's par for the course - you're a dishonest failure. Acei9 18:33, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Just stop Ken, you are embarrassing yourself now. Stop citing the Massey study, it covered 1040 responses. The census data is what matters because it covers some 4.5 million people. The Massey study is irrelevant. And the facts are the facts - as stated above: If we look at the data then it shows fundamentalism growing by 27,111 people between 2001 and 2018 but Christianity lost 305,205 adherents during the same period,. Just because the no-religion stats might be people who believe in something spiritual (they could be pagans, Satanists our just believe in some greater other or lifeforce) is irrelevant. You are dishonesty citing how the born-again/fundamentalists rose ...the rise in fundamentalism cannot sustain the significant drop - you ignore that to try bolster your argument but it fails. NZ is growing more secular and has been doing so for decades. And that's that - you can't argue the statistics and, again, the Massey study doesn't support any of your claims. You have lost. Just fucking be a man and admit it. Dare I say - show some fucking machismo. Acei9 00:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Stop embarrassing yourself Ken. All your essays, all your bluster and predictions are meaningless. You're just making stuff up and have failed. Victory is mine because have nothing except hand-waving away that that decades long decline of christianity in NZ doesn't count because they weren't real Christians. You just made that up. I have the data, you have..., well, nothing. You have lost. Acei9 21:14, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
"NZ is becoming more religious!" cries Ken. Which is why in recent years prostitution has been legalised, we have homosexual law reform and gay marriage, legalised euthanasia/end of life, removed all mentions of religion (specifically references to Christianity and Jesus) from our parliament, Christianity accounting for less then 50% for the first time in NZ's history, have elected openly agnostic leaders three times in a row, have a strong separation of church and state and on and on...but don't worry Ken, I am sure it is just around the corner. Idiot and a failure. Acei9 21:34, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Olé Olé Olé! Ken is too scatterbrained to do any hard research, but it sure is entertaining to watch him floundering-Hastur! (talk) 19:40, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Yeah - something about no former Popes will ever become Prime Minister of NZ? I don't know - I haven't had time the last few days due to work pressures and having my daughter coming to stay for a week so Ken will have to wait. Acei9 22:41, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
The chances of a former Pope becoming PM of anywhere are currently zero. London Grump (talk) 00:52, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

This person is wrong in the head

3 people dead already, huge flooding throughout the city, people losing their homes, more to come too as the rain continues. Chaos and disaster.
Me: Man this is a bad situation. People are losing their lives and homes.
Ken: hahahaha fuck you homos.
Ken’s character laid bare. A disgusting creep. Acei9 04:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

:As an aside

I am gunning for a promotion at work and I had to list not just previous roles I have held but also achievements/qualifications. Along with a university degree and industry specific qualifications I nearly wrote "4th place in a spelling bee, Buffalo - New York" but cooler heads prevailed. Acei9 00:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Atheism and smoking

Lets look at some of the highest rates of smoking in the world and check their religious affiliations shall we? That sounds fun...
Naruru - 52.1% of the population smoke
Naruru - 92.63% of the population adhere to some form of Christianity
Kiribati - 52% of the population smoke
Kiribati - 88% of the population adhere to some form of Christianity
Tuvalu - 48.7% of the population smoke
Tuvalu - 97% of the population adhere to some form of Christianity
Chile - 44.7% of the population smoke
Chile - 84.1% of the population adhere to some form of Christianity
I could keep going. I looked at countries with the highest rates of atheism/no-religion and their smoking population and they were all 20% smokers and lower. I am busy so don't have time to keep doing this but it is very easy for you to look yourself if you are interested in honesty. Which you're not. Like shooting fish in a barrel, dude.
And yes, I know engaging with Ken is a waste of time but I enjoy pointing out just how terrible he is. And how dishonest... Acei9 00:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

TBF correlation doesn't equate to causation and all that. I think poverty is the relevant underlying factor here. Honestly you could make an argument that high rates of poverty correlate to high rates of religiosity. "Religion is the opiate of the people" as Marx said. Vee (talk) 01:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
I'll be fair to Ken, there's several papers that show a connection between religion and smoking less (same with other recreational substances). [46][47][48] And given that fundamentalism of all kinds tends towards self-flagellation and suspicion of any pleasure, it's not exactly a surprise. Religions with greater amounts of fundamentalism do seem to fair "best" at having an anti-recreational substance correlation: the Journal of Religion and Health flagged Muslims in particular as having a negative impact on smoking, for instance.
However, the issue with Ken's simplistic analysis is that there are multiple economic social and economic factors involved in this sort of thing, and religion's factor can easily be cancelled out. For instance, despite the Muslim religion being a damper on cigarette smoking, the Wiki article on tobacco consumption by countryWikipedia includes multiple Muslim-majority nations (Jordan, Syria, Lebanon) in the top 20. If religion was all things on preventing substance abuse, that wouldn't be the case... but it is. In the US, smoking cigarettes is trending towards being a "has-been" recreational substance, with more Americans reporting that they used marijuana (a much medically safer substance) instead of smoked cigarettes for the first time last year. I'm pretty sure this is probably due to strong health campaigns (and some well-placed policies like ad bans, taxes, etc.) more than anything else. Certainly not religion. Aside from a few movements (Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons and...?) that were notably anti-tobacco, I really don't recall too many American Christian denominations giving a hoot one way or another. Alcohol and those furriner recreationals like the "jazz cabbage", yes. But not the tobacco pipe so much. BobJohnson (talk) 01:39, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
"there are multiple economic social and economic factors involved in this sort of thing, and religion's factor can easily be cancelled out." Of course, thus showing again how terrible and dishonest ken is, and proving Ace's point. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 02:40, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Honestly, was that ever in doubt? I for one didn't intend to undermine Ace's point. Vee (talk) 03:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
The point wasn’t to prove me right and Ken wrong - it was to highlight Ken’s ridiculous premise and how senseless his “scholarship” is. He’s not even wrong - he just makes shit up as fact based upon shit he likes ignoring everything to the contrary. Acei9 05:51, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Just how easy it is to completely bury Ken using his own methodology. Acei9 05:53, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Anyway - I am happy with my smoking and drinking habits. I'm down to about 7 cigarettes a day. Usually a couple in the car on the way to work and a few on the beach when I take my evening stroll. Down to only a couple of bottles of wine a night too. Getting soft in my old age it seems. Acei9 18:16, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Y'all have Mike's Hard Lemonade down there in NZ? Expensive but worth it. Vee (talk) 02:49, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
We have similar. Same shit, different name. Acei9 08:02, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Ken's Latest Sock and Changes to Ace's Talk Archives

Ken's still trying to have a dig at Ace for being a smoker. This time our little underhand chum tried to add an out of context update, the same stuff to a WIGO CP archive, and Ace's talk page archive. Sock blocked and edits reverted, but I'm not sure of the protocol for deleting new edits to archives. Are edits generally allowed, and, Ace, would you prefer that edits to your talk archives are reverted or just to be notified instead? JumboWhales (talk) 17:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

RW practice is to deny giving any oxygen to vandals. So, the vandalism was reverted, and the targeted archives were protected indefinitely. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 17:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Many thanks, that all makes sense. With it being the archives, and a user's one at that, I thought it best to check. JumboWhales (talk) 17:51, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Wow - he’s still doing that? That’s powerfully lame. Acei9 19:31, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Petty, stupid, pointless goonery? - yeah, that's all Ken's boxes checked. Perfect score, no notes. Semipenultimate (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2023 (UTC)


HAARP, Rob has now settled on HAARP as his latest conspiracy. His "evidence"? A Twitter video which clearly shows explosions/electrical shorts coming from the ground not the sky. Rob, when an earthquake hits substations blow, high tension powerlines come down and the electrical network gets fucked. Acei9 18:02, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Rob's wheels are spinning fast - the Chinese are sending balloons up is because the US is heating HAARP up to cause earthquakes because reasons. Acei9 22:11, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Not to be outdone - Ken suggest the increase in UFO sightings is because more American's are getting into the occult. What a show over there... Acei9 22:14, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Good to see Rob agreeing with Hugo Chavez London Grump OBE (talk) 00:31, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
By the way Ken - three things. I'm not a "science denier" when it comes to smoking, I am fully cognizant of the risks. Secondly I have quit smoking in the past, I find it remarkably easy - I am happy with smoking at the moment and will quit when I no longer wish to smoke. Usually I quit when I am in a long-term relationship with a non-smoker but currently I am engaged in a couple of casual relationships - one who also smokes and one who doesn't care that I do. Lastly you think American's believing in the occult creates more UFO's? That's just plain stupid. Acei9 21:56, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
This is my last post on the matter. Ken, reading and understanding what has been written is obviously not your strong suit. I am aware of the risks - I know the science. I'm not science denying - I am aware that smoking is a bad habit. Calling me a science denier about this is like calling a skydiver a science denier because they jump out of planes knowing its risky - so by your logic they are denying the science which is gravity. Try harder and look at yourself.
  • Ace got married but had an amicable split up after an 11 year relationship began to tire.
  • Ken, whose greatest achievement in this area is maybe dancing with someone, - "Hahaha you got divorce"
  • Ace has a beautiful 9 year old daughter
  • Ken, who obviously has no one - "Hahaha your daughter is going to be fucked because of co-parenting is bad for children"
  • Ace who holds a series of important jobs in marking, comms, sales and has no interest in using his time to promote atheist websites for free.
  • Ken, who edits a tied old dredge of website for up to 24 hours a day - "Hahaha why is Rationalwiki and other atheist website losing traffic - you suck!"

Do you notice a pattern? You achieve nothing then laugh at the achievements of others. You sad old lonely man. Now I have work to do. We had a cyclone recently, probably something to do with the gays or gods wrath or something I am sure Ken will crow. But I need to set up a Starlink so I can talk to my staff in the region affected. It's interesting. Maybe you should do something with your life Ken...... though I am keenly aware engaging Ken like this makes me a bit of a sad person too I suppose... Acei9 23:01, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

WIGO at 14 Green Votes

What's with the WIGO CP votes and the number 14? It seems that someone uses down votes in order to depress the number back to 14 if it gets above that. Seems like a weird thing to do, especially since it's still possible to see the number of up votes by hovering over the votes bar. JumboWhales (talk) 04:11, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

I thought it was because Conservapedia no longer really attracts any interest outside of a small niche of our userbase, but I may be mistaken. VeeMeow? 02:27, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Yep, CP is a minority interest now, but there’s been a pattern for a while of relatively high votes being voted down until the total up votes equals 14, which happens every week or so. Why, it’s almost as if some “mysterious” and lonely underachiever with an axe to grind is trying to mess with us. How very, very sad… JumboWhales (talk) 05:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Rap Song

Stunning work. I mean. it's hilarious. Good work - not at all childish. Definitely the work of an adult who is sound of mind. But I've taken a new contract so you need to change it up because that isn't my job now so your rap is out of date. I now manage a communications team on a large infrastructure project. Make it happen, dude. A new rap! Acei9 00:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

There's a hard frost where I am, but I read the first few lines of his "song" and my cheeks became so red with embarrassment on Ken's behalf that it actually warmed me up. Thanks Ken, there really is no start to your talents. Instead of more embarrassing attempts at songs why don't you put up a page saying how proud you are that an innocent man got the crap beaten out of him after reading your hate-filled drivel? JumboWhales (talk) 08:23, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Maize Invented in Germany?

Weird even for Andy, he claims that when the Bible says "corn," it means maize and not just grain. Jesus ate corn on the cob and only atheists deny it. He claims modern research shows it was really Europeans who developed maize (presumably in time for the Last Supper). Of course he cites no such research. Does anyone have any idea what he's going on about? Whoover (talk) 18:47, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

From this source: In Old English, and actually maybe even current British English (you folks across the pond might know better :) ), the word "corn" apparently meant to "any grain with the seed still in it", akin to barleycornWikipedia (a grain of barley) or the Corn LawsWikipedia, which apply to all grain. Thus, the King James Bible translates the word "dagan" (דָּגָן), which is a generic word for grain in Hebrew, and other similar words into to the word "corn". Americans, of course, know corn specifically as maize and nothing else, so this will not appear in American English focused translations. So this is the Biblical source of the confusion.
Now, I have absolutely no idea where the fuck he's getting his Germany and Northern Europe idea from. Corn did not arrive into the "Old World" until the Columbian exchangeWikipedia, this is well documented, and I can't even Google any webshites promoting this "actually corn came from north Europe" view. So he either made this up, or there's some really obscure Youtuber / webshite / etc. spewing this shit with (if I had to guess, because what other reason makes sense?) some bizarre "ethnocentric" concerns at the forefront.BobJohnson (talk) 19:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
I would say that for many people in the UK corn is taken to mean wheat. What the US calls corn (maize) is called sweet corn here in the UK. Oldusgitus (talk) 09:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
And even if Andy's utter bollocks were true, how could it be "Biblical scientific foreknowledge"? Jesus eating maize 1,500 years before anyone else in the Old World had ever seen it, well, that would be a fucking miracle. But now Andy's making out that first century Jews eating maize required no "scientific foreknowledge" at all. Stupid cunt. Spud (talk) 10:34, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
And look at what Andy wrote for this revision, "Really?? Plant breeding by American Indians??" Racist cunt. Spud (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
The German thing might come from the whole Northern Renaissance / birth of capitalism / protestant work ethic mythos, the one that gave us white Jesus. London Grump OBE (talk) 16:27, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, possibly. It's essentially blatant racism and it means going over the insane factual errors in those two short paragraphs is pointless. BobJohnson (talk) 17:24, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
What does Andy show to his students during history lessons? This Columbus Day video from The Daily Wire? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:17, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps a profound and motivated misunderstanding of which includes the finding that strains of maize introduced to Europe post-Columbus include two main types - a warm weather group in southern Europe and a cold-weather group in northern Europe - which have since hybridized/been selected more at their intersection in central Europe and produced new strains. "Independent introductions, hybridization and local selection have shaped new genetic groups specific to European maize. Hence, mid-latitude European materials are now sufficiently divergent from founder gene pools to appear as distinct genetic groups rather than hybrids in clustering analyses."
Or from here: "The rest of European material, spread mainly in central and northern Spain, France, and Italy, appeared as a distinct genetic cluster that does not have any counterpart in America. This material appeared as a single European Flint group for inbred lines and as two distinct Pyrenees–Galicia Flint and Italian Flint groups for landraces. This supports the hypothesis of Rebourg et al. (2003) that this material results from the hybridization of populations derived from Tropical and Northern Flint introductions in Europe. " So there's a whiff of truth in that there are European strains that cluster together more tightly to each other than they do to the American strains from which they are descended, but there's not a hint of a whiff of a rumor of a legend that there was any maize anywhere but in the Americas until after Columbus (and all the subsequent exchanges). Plus, ya know, the racism.--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 00:37, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

And now his fever dream of sweet Jesus sweet corn gets its own article. Whoover (talk) 07:02, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

So because pigs today usually eat corn, that must mean the Prodigal Son in a 2,000 year old story wanted to eat corn when he said, "Give me what the pigs eat." Sod me! Andy really is a twat. Spud (talk) 08:18, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Andy doesn't read, does he? His newest Counterexample to Evolution cites a paper. The conclusion of the paper is

Based on our overall results, we propose the following inferences about maize domestication. First, selection was clearly focused on ear architecture since most of the traits that define ear architecture suffered a loss of heritable variation and ear morphology changed dramatically. Second, the difference in plant architecture is likely a consequence or correlated response to selection on ear architecture to create a less branched plant with fewer, larger ears. Third, because of favorable genetic correlations among most selection targets, ancient farmers had multiple options to select for what a maize ear would become. For instance, EL is positively correlated to GE in teosinte, so selection could have been applied to either trait or even both traits concurrently to speed up the process. Fortunately, the relative differences among plants for these traits are easily observable by eye and do not require modern tools for selection. Last, evolution can proceed despite substantial genetic constraint since selection can be applied on traits that pose the least constraint.

Andy's paraphrase of the conclusion: there is no plausible evolutionary path of development for corn. Whoover (talk) 02:57, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Selection bias...

...or that CP is in fact that moribound that there's been nothing worth mentioning since Feb? KarmaPolice (talk) 10:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

RationalWiki as a whole is now post-Conservapedia. Those few users who do know what's going on there can't be arsed to update the page. Maybe it's titme to mothball it. Spud (talk) 10:45, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
There's something to be said for that. Plus, I get the general impression that it's basically 'jumped the shark' in a negative way some time ago; ie it sucks, it is stupid and nobody is either surprised or cares anymore. KarmaPolice (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Moving this to NIGO

Given that the last time this was edited was in July, would anyone object to this being moved to NIGO-space? Carthage (talk) 20:38, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I was actually going to suggest this this week. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 20:41, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Please do. That's basically what I wanted back in May. Nobody here gives a shit about Conservapedia anymore. Spud (talk) 16:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
I edited the template. Tell me what you guys think. Also, should we rename it, like WIGOCZ?. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 13:08, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
@GeeJayK That's the first time I've known you to make a mistake in your otherwise perfect English. The word is "discouraged". Anyway, I've fixed that. And yes, I couldn't agree with the sentiment of the template more. Spud (talk) 13:15, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Looks fine to me. Carthage (talk) 13:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

The latest RobSmith entry

Makes me so glad I helped us finally get rid of RobSmith on this site a couple years ago. This is a new low for CP. Ruzzia, whose grudge against us is nearly eighty years old and still going strong, who literally want a state from us and who have threatened to nuke us over Ukraine so many times that such threats are now meaningless, seems like very strange company for supposedly patriotic Americans.

We should definitely make this a NIGO, give these idiots time and they’ll be Heil-hailing Hitler. We shouldn’t draw more attention to them --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee my experiments 16:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Right, but allow for new entries because people will add them regardless of what the header says. Give them the same treatment we gave Citizendium. Carthage (talk) 16:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Apparently GrammarCommie

Has a MAINSPACE article on CPConservlogo late april.png about him written by  K e n  D o l l , shortly before his promotion and LANCB presumably. What happened to the "no mentioning the R-word" rule on there? --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee my experiments 22:35, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

The more telling part is that GrammarCommie article was started in 2022, when RW had, by and large, had long moved past caring about Conservapedia. I mean, RW was kind of a similar troll site at one point with plenty of Conservapedia sysop articles (largely created, say, 15 years ago), but this site has long moved on.
At this point, Conservapedia is just another Putin propaganda/fake news site anyways. I don't think even the few editors that are still there are in complete agreement on the "useful idiot" RobS Putin ass-kissing blitzkrieg, but no one seems to care enough to stop it. BobJohnson (talk) 23:11, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
And GrammarCommie had already not made an edit in over a year by then (and nor had I despite the quote-mine of me from my brief, minor feud with him). And yes, from the site history research I’ve gathered our interest in mocking the blog died with TK, now it’s so decrepit that Ken’s free to completely dedicate it to his “atheism and [something bad/that he hates]” schoolyard insults and morbid obsession with us. Heck, even the brief resurgence of our interest in it during COVID when their site went down and their trolls felt entitled to our talkspace as a refuge that helped us save NM’s soul and finally rid ourselves of Ken and Nobs had died down. --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee my experiments 16:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Until not so long ago there was one about LGMConservlogo late april.png too. I think at this point Andy just doesn't care, the place is pretty much over anyway. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 23:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
How long do you think it’ll take for them to catch wind of my Progress and Regress Pokémon project and start an article about me? 😛 --Luigifan18 (talk) 23:26, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Ken once referenced me in one of those essays of his- and at one point a ban-evasion of his spammed me with his usual death-of-atheism copium. --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee my experiments 18:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Looking around, it seems User:Nature's Mockery's suspicions are true and User:UShistoryanalyzer is indeed a sock of User:LT. That also means any votes they had on policy or sanctions are retroactively invalid, so it'll be fun looking over all the ATIMs/coops from that era. Additionally, DMorris has admitted to being the person spamming us with the cheerleader crap, but I don't think anyone's surprised. Plutocow (talk) 19:20, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Also, I'm pretty sure he's admitting to User:Unclescrooge being his sock as well. And funnily, apparently he believes that me, Bongolian, Flandres, and Spud are all socks of Trent. Apparently I am half the mods on this wiki! Plutocow (talk) 19:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
VINDICATION! I knew it was only a matter of time!-Flandres (talk) 19:41, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
I got to say (and this is so typical of the fundamentalism types, but still) regarding that thread, it's amazing how so many "Christians" these days can't even follow the lessons in the Sermon on the MountWikipedia and other lessons from their own book... particularly the quite famous verses of Matthew 7:1-2. This is probably the only reason this "Conservapedia" is "relevant" these days: it really is an early example of the politicization of the Religious Right, which in turn has caused the American Christian church as a whole to crater. By stripping all of the empathy, concern for poverty, and humanism from the church, and replacing it with Republican politics, the Religious Right basically ended up as a crowd of masochistic, classist bigots tut-tuting perceived "sinners", that can't help (no matter how wrong they are) bragging about how superior they are. That is not a solid foundation for any sort of future, methinks. At the very least, this is quite the opposite of the Gospel focus. Many have noticed... BobJohnson (talk) 20:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Why are we feeding such pathetic attempts at trolling? Carthage (talk) 20:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Holy shitConservlogo late april.png (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Natsuki Marx ♥ (talk) 16:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
How is that even in categoryspace? Damn, all that copium is truly a howler. I reckon Ken knows his site is dying and already almost over; heck, they don't even allow new account registrations anymoreConservlogo late april.png- all because of one long-term troll they think is one of usConservlogo late april.png, or at least I think that's the case. Given their penchant for overplaying the severity of wiki vandalism it would hardly surprise me. If anything, he's probably trying to convince himself. Especially hilarious is his gloating about Oxy's antics since she got banned 2 and a half years ago for her bullshit and attention-whoring, and nobody here gives a shit about her anymore.
And from the Saloon Bar, I hear another far-right echo chamber just dropped, called Justapedia- and it was even founded under the same persecution complex-based false pretenses of bias in WP. It took the approach of forking Wikipedia, creating a soon-to-be-outdated version of it where, like who CP was originally marketed towards, every right-wing troll banned from Wikipedia can promote their myriad of pet causes. They've got "race realists" whitewashing the George Floyd article and trying to bash black people, Neiltyson1fan has taken up residence there and has whitewashed the "Incel" article, and r/KotakuInAction has learned of it and has since been hard at work brigading the Gamergate article. How long before Señor Conservador starts polluting it with "Atheism/homosexuality and X", once he realizes his puppet fiefdom is dying? --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee my experiments 10:06, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Sanity check

The list of Popular articles at (should be 'on') Conservapedia has some very strange bedfellows and a square bracket missing.

And presently on the In the News list'The real reason liberals intensely hate Russia: its Supreme Court just ruled against LGBTQ+ as an "extremist" globalist movement.' The reverse of a 'just war' and war crimes etc are much higher priority.

And being in a hot tub is more likely a cause of death than a Covid vaccination. — Unsigned, by: Anna Livia / talk / contribs

I’d be willing to pay to have them all move there, so they can stop ruining all of our red states --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee my experiments 16:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
There is a joke to the effect. '[Person(s) of choice] get sent to hell, and a day or so later (however defined) Satan knocks on the Pearly Gates demanding refuge from the [Person[s) of choice] - would the 'Collective of Conservapedialand (not being those just visiting, to see how the benighted natives are doing and those involved in 'creative rearrangement' and similar) fall into this category of person? Anna Livia (talk) 14:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
This funspace article aged like a fine wine. --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee my experiments 18:51, 14 December 2023 (UTC)