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How to become an admin

This exchange makes me throw up in my mouth just a little bit. Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 18:13, 22 November 2008 (EST)

I'm sorry, was someone there recently made admin? Publius 18:20, 22 November 2008 (EST)

That exchange is hella disturbing. It does explain Andy's pedagogical approach, however: capriciousness is next to Godliness.--Martin Arrowsmith 18:52, 22 November 2008 (EST)

He's not an admin, but he's on track in that Andy generally promotes for pure ideological agreement with him. Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 19:25, 22 November 2008 (EST)

That man is a brilliant parodist. Read some of his other stuff, especially about homosexuality. Hactar 21:55, 22 November 2008 (EST)

I must be missing it. Where is the stuff about homosexuality? Publius 22:44, 22 November 2008 (EST)

There isn't anything about homosexuality on Conservapedia - it's a figment of our imagination. (don't forget - To get to the top, you've got to kiss bottoms) _and marmite 22:51, 22 November 2008 (EST)

No, no, no. I referred to "his other stuff, especially about homosexuality." Goodness knows CP is repressing some collective homosexual tendencies through its bashing. Publius 23:53, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Wait, crap, were you referring to Rod or Andy? I thought you were talking about Rod. Hactar 02:32, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Yes, I looked at Rod's stuff and found nothing about homosexuality. Sorry about the pointless confusion. Publius 02:50, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Crap, you're right, mixed him up with someone else. But he is a parodist. Look at his first two edits ever. 71.183.186.168 15:23, 24 November 2008 (EST)

RodWeathers

Is my new favourite guy. That is all.PFoster 18:21, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Hope he has plenty of Chapstick._{Y'know, for all the asskissing.} Aboriginal Noise ^{What the hell is that thing?} 18:28, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Oh, come one. If you want to write good parody and survive, you have to be ready to eat a lot of crow ass. I'm loving his stuff though. And Ed's in his corner. Hactar 21:50, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Auschwitz. No, dear God, please don't....

One shudders to think at what Ken intends to do with this image. Whatever it is, it'll be ugly. PFoster 18:25, 22 November 2008 (EST)

"Evolutionists deny that the rise of Hitler was anything but the end result of their warped anti-God religion, but we conservatives see here the fruit of his clearly Darwinian philosophy." Bet you a million Internetz it's at least something to that effect. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 18:34, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Any such use will demonstrate his total lack of any human compassion. He might not but I fear you're right ... _and marmite 18:38, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Atheism article? Evolution article?...MAIN PAGE? PFoster 18:39, 22 November 2008 (EST)

The man (?) is beneath contempt. _and marmite 18:44, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Main Page. In a message to Dawkins. Way to go Ken. Shitting on six million graves to make a cheap political point. You're reprehensible. ^{— Unsigned, by: PFoster / talk / contribs}

Gentlemen, my million internetz, if you please. PS: Fuck off and die, Ken. (EC: steal my thunder, will you? See if I share my fortune...) --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 18:48, 22 November 2008 (EST)

HenryS sums it up quite nicely. Ken pushed the MOAR HITLER fun a bit too far. For the sake of driving CP through the dirt, I encourage that to stay on the main page. Hell, Ken, link this too and blame Atheism or something. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 19:27, 22 November 2008 (EST)

I'm going to start an article. I've got 3 links, Hitler's views had many influences, Hitler based his views on Darwinism, Hitler Card. That’s just what I can find in EvoWiki. I’m sure together we can refute the latest Conservapedia rubbish, no problems. Here is the start, Hitler and Christianity Proxima Centauri 02:52, 23 November 2008 (EST)

The worst part is, Ken's asking him to defend a quote, which when you read the whole thing is obviously reasonable. But Ken wants Dawkins to defend the lie that Ken tells about him, which is ridiculous. --Kels 20:01, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Of course, it could be that Ken's just seeing what reaction he'll get here. We know he watches this page like a hawk, so we're probably fuelling his gross self satisfaction by lambasting him. The cretin! _and marmite 20:26, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Does Ken read WiGO? Hell yes, he does! --Kels 21:16, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Heh! I saw that & had a quiet snigger. _and marmite 21:19, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Ken knows he's busted this time. We all know he's making up a smear through pure lies, chopping up a quote to misrepresent it, and then demanding that Dawkins support Ken's own lie. Shameful and desperate. --Kels 23:49, 22 November 2008 (EST)

UK GB

Apparently Rjjensen thinks that Northern Ireland wasn't involved in WWII. _and marmite 19:57, 22 November 2008 (EST)

I think he's suggesting, albeit cryptically, that the term wasn't commonly used at the time, and thus shouldn't be used in historical articles. The historical accuracy of that, I couldn't say. It's kind of odd, though, if that's it. Why bother? What's the point? Is it a political thing? Unless he's implying that UK wasn't the official name at the time, which is just plain wrong. That or the Irish theory... --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 20:37, 22 November 2008 (EST)

The only assumption that I could make is that he's an Irish nationalist. The war was declared by the UK, of which Great Britain & Northern Ireland are the parts. _and marmite 20:49, 22 November 2008 (EST)

This is a token of debate amongst many historians today, but the consensus is to refer to the 'homeland' as 'Britain', rather than the United Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland. Although Britain refers to the greater island itself, Britain usually encompasses the notion of Ireland under its wing (British Isles, for example) as well. I'd say it barely warrants a comment, its a correction on categorisation and can't see any greater political motive behind it (And I say this as an Ulsterman intimately familiar with the Troubles) MarcusCicero 21:21, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Actually, what RJJensen is doing is just a response to this discussion about William the Conqueror. Ed Poor pointed out that using "United Kingdom history" is irrelevant when talking about pre-UK English history. RJJ missed the point & decided to convert all uses of UK to Britain in all history articles. weaseLOId~ 21:31, 22 November 2008 (EST)

RJJensen is a retired history professor, and the single most intelligent man on that site. I highly doubt he's taking advice from Ed Poor for historical categorisation. MarcusCicero 21:36, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Agreed. I thought it might have been something like that. I didn't know that was even a bone of contention among historians. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 03:43, 23 November 2008 (EST)

It's usually best to assume that pretty much everything is considered contended among historians. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 08:04, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Thats very much the case. Even the definition of history is a hotly contested dispute in historical circles. MarcusCicero 09:44, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Marcus, a minor but important correction. Britain is synonymous with the UK - Great Britain is not. Great Britain is the island. Britain is the country = the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What CP should have done if they didn't want to use UK because it wasn't in common usage at the time would have been to replace it with Britain. Great Britain, although sometimes used colloquially and by Americans as a synonym for the UK, is incorrect in this context. Ajkgordon 10:23, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Although, to add confusion, GB is used officially in certain circumstances such as for the Olympics team and car number plates. There are odd and arcane political reasons for this and are the exception rather than the rule. Ajkgordon 10:25, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I'm unsure as to the precise nature of that but I have always believed that Britain referred to the island, 'Great Britain' refers to 'greater Britain', an Imperialist device necessary for when the nation became an Empire. 86.45.205.40 11:13, 23 November 2008 (EST)

No, Great Britain never meant the British Empire, since Imperial territories such as India were regarded as colonies, not part of Britain itself. For the technical distinctions between GB, UK, etc., see WP:Terminology of the British Isles. It looks like Great Britain technically just means mainland Britain (England, Scotland & Wales) but is often used synonymously with UK (which includes Northern Ireland too). British Isles is a geographical term & includes Ireland as well as mainland Britain, Isle of Mann, Channel Islands, etc. weaseLOId~ 11:27, 23 November 2008 (EST)

• UK = United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland = the sovereign state
• GB = Great Britain = (geo) the largest island of the British Isles or (pol) England, Wales and Scotland. (Is sometimes used as a synonym for the UK in rare cases officially such as Team GB in the Olympics but mostly by foreigners incorrectly.)
• Britain = alternative for UK and British is used as the adjective for someone/thing from the UK
• British Isles = (geo) the collection of islands including Great Britain, Ireland and others, although the term is controversial in Ireland.

Hope that helps. Ajkgordon 12:02, 23 November 2008 (EST)

You don't understand what I'm saying (Or I'm not conveying it very well), Great Britain as a term only came about when Britain got her Empire - it became a chauvinist's way of describing 'the homeland', which in those days included the island of Ireland. Great Britain and Britain are essentially the same. I wouldn't go on Wikipedia on this one. And yes, British Isles is very controversial here. But it is a good example of how Britain has become synonomous with a region - the islands are officially British, if we go by the geographical history (The naming of islands, Brittania and Hibernia back in the Roman era, is a good example) MarcusCicero 13:07, 23 November 2008 (EST)

The term Great Britain first came into major use at the Union of the Crowns in 1603, nothing at all to do with empire or chauvinism. The 'Great' is to differentiate from Brittany: as in the French forms, Bretagnme and Grande Bretagne. Fretfulporpentine 13:26, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I didn't know that. Cheers. 86.45.205.40 13:27, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Marcus, I'm sorry but I think you might have been misinformed. Great Britain and Britain are not the same even if they are sometimes used, both officially and colloquially, as synonyms of each other. The term Great Britain is ancient - Norman at least - and the word great means "big" rather than "we're fuckin' ace". Yes, we see things like "Made in Great Britain" and "Team GB" but they're anachronisms which have prevailed in opposition to today's accepted practices. When we hear an American president, for example, talk about Great Britain, it grates. Britain is the correct short form for the UK.

Still, not as bad as a preview of the Six Nations I heard on French radio the other day. "The best of the English teams this year is Ireland." Ajkgordon 16:32, 23 November 2008 (EST)

As far as I recall, the term "Great Britain" became common sometime in the late medieval period to distinguish it from Bretaigne. Also, using "Great Britain" to refer to the UK is quite normal in many foreign languages, such as German, Russian, the Scandinavian ones - often because the local translation of "United Kingdom" would sound contrived or otherwise wrong. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 15:36, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I'd think that's more colloquial custom rather than accuracy, AKjeldsen. Certainly in French, Spanish and German it's common for them to use Great Britain when referring to the UK but formally they they use the direct translation of UK, e.g. Royaume Uni. Ajkgordon 16:32, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Bunchanumbers was me last night. This is interesting though, hadn't ever thought of it like that before. MarcusCicero 06:14, 24 November 2008 (EST)

To the MOAR HITLER vandals.

MOAR AUSCHWITZ, please. Show aschlafly how ridiculous his admins are. PFoster 20:01, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Someone ask him about the My Lai Massacre & see if he'd like to put some pictures of that on the main page,. _and marmite 20:13, 22 November 2008 (EST)

I can't... I just can't. I'm willing to do MOAR HITLER, but morally I don't think I can do Auschwitz. Ken must be tired to pull such a cheap stunt, he needs some fresh air, I suggest he sticks his head out the window - feet first. -Redback^G'day 21:28, 22 November 2008 (EST)

There must be a corollary to Poe's Law. Parody of fundamentalism can't stoop quite as low. Publius 21:31, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Part of me agrees, and part of me says--okay a SENIOR ADMIN, not some troll or parodist, says it's okay to use that image on CP in order to make a point. Their website, their rules. PFoster 21:39, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Using it to make a point like that is shocking enough, but doesn't justify turning it into a joke, which would be worse. weaseLOId~ 21:46, 22 November 2008 (EST)

I'm calling it before anyone does: DeMyer's Sisyphean. I coined it, me me me!

Every argument he makes towards his "goal" simply refutes itself, so the harder he pushes, the harder it rolls back against him. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 21:56, 22 November 2008 (EST)

If we're coining our own terms, can I name it DeMyer's Custard instead please? Custard being a thixotropic fluid, the more you push on it the firmer it becomes. --JeevesMkII 22:30, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Since MOAR HITLER is starting to get old how about MOAR STALIN? I can see the cries of STOP STALIN on the recent changes page already :) --BoredCPer 23:41, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Diversification is always good. I'd like to see MOAR POL POT, MOAR MAO, or even MOAR ROBESPIERRE. Publius 23:51, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Maybe I should write a bookmarklet to generate random MOARs for our more wandalism inclined comrades. I'm sure I can come up with some more entertaining captions than some of the efforts I've seen lately. --JeevesMkII 23:57, 22 November 2008 (EST)

My suggestion is to leave the dictators & mass murderers out of it & go with MOAR LIBERACE instead. Much more entertaining, & more likely to catch on as a weird meme. weaseLOId~ 08:27, 23 November 2008 (EST)

would they become confused by perfectly good edits that just had MOAR HIMMLER in the reason text ? Hamster 00:02, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I demand to see perfectly ordinary Conservapedia edits with "MOAR GOERING as the reason! Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)^{Approach the Presence} 00:19, 23 November 2008 (EST)

At Hamster, that's some good thinking... ħuman 01:08, 23 November 2008 (EST)

ALWAYS mess with their heads , such as they are Hamster 02:09, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Ed & NPOV

He did have a hand on it. I haven't had a chance to read through all of it yet, but here's the first entry, by Cunctator, a Wiki-legend, and Ed's first edit to it.-caius (orator) 01:50, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Unfortunately Larry Sanger defacto supported Ed's dribble. Fortunately the current is a little closer Cunctator's than Ed's. - User $\pi$ 08:25, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Since we're delving into Uncle Ed's murky past, this was his early comment on (his own) homophobia:

"Now, don't get me wrong. I'm on friendly terms with (a small number of) homosexual men and women. I have managed neither to hide my disapproval of homosexuality or alienate them completely. I also know quite a few 'fornicators' and 'adulterers' and manage to be on good terms with them as well. (Pats self on back) My motto is love the sinner, hate the sin. It works, because my disapproval of (what I regard as) immorality is rather faint, almost like a parent who wished their son had become a doctor instead of a musician. I'm actually rather easy-going. --Ed Poor"

weaseLOId~ 11:16, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I successfully baited Uncy Ed into writing an NPOV article.-caius (orator) 12:23, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Evidence For Evolution Article

Some poor smuck actually tries to inject fact into the evidence for evolution article. Raise your hand if you're surprised at what happened. (Is this WIGO worthy? I didn't think so, but if it is, that'd be cool.) Hactar 02:38, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Given a user name of HHCrippen, he was probably doomed to an early exit anyway. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 06:48, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Actually that is one of the few time I have seen Ken block someone. I have vandalized his shitty subpages and not been blocked by him. Although at the time he was still trying to fix his spelling. GENTLEMAN AT THE OTHER WEBSITE; GET FIREFOX, INSTALL THE SPELLCHECKER ADD-ON AND FOR FUCK'S SAKE USE THE PREVIEW BUTTON. - User $\pi$ 06:52, 23 November 2008 (EST)

He blocks people every now and then and when he does it is always very long blocks such as 5 years or infinity but it is hard for people to get his attention when actually on CP since he keeps all his pet articles permalocked. My very first account on CP was blocked for 5 years when I pointed out that his "Atheism Quotes" article should really be named "Quotes against Atheism" since it is an attack piece :) --BoredCPer 09:57, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Kendoll is so obsessed with his Google rankings, y'all should go and write your opinions of his opera on google's much maligned search wiki thingy. It'd be hilarious to see Ken Demyer's idiocy splashed across his precious search results. --JeevesMkII 10:00, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I think what makes me laugh most is that making himself look like a public idiot is Ken's actual strategy. He believes (and has said so plenty of times) that even if 100,000 people come, if only one is brought over to his point of view, that's a plus. But what he doesn't take into account is, the more people see it, the more see the paucity of his arguments, the more will be motivated to refute them, and by his own strategy he increases the number of anti-theist writings online, while the theist stuff only gets a bunch of annoying spam and his crappy articles. To say nothing, of course, of people who are convinced away from his point of view who might have agreed if it weren't so over the top. --Kels 10:06, 23 November 2008 (EST)

And those who actually believe in that tripe were already insane and don't "convert" when they're already at Ken's idiotic level. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 11:28, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Ed liveblogging on WP

Looks like Ed started doing some liveblogging of a movie on WP too. Luckily he didn't get very far. Surely that man's physical matter could be used for a much better purpose than as a reprehensible, moronic Moonie. DickTurpis 11:20, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I love how Eddy seems to equate all fictional lying with the endorsement of lying in real life. What would an Ed Poor run Hollywood look like, I wonder? Or an Andy Schlafly one, for that matter (OMG DECEIT THINK OF THE CHILDREN). They're almost parodies of themselves at this point. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 15:12, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Oh wow, I didn't even notice that was WP, not the monkey house. The heavy handedness and open stupidity of his edit summary deceived me (You deceived me, Ed Poor. You're going to hell). This made me lol. If it had been Andy's place, he'd have blocked that guy so fast it would have made his head spin. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 15:21, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Wonder if the IP who vandalised all the Joneses into Pjoneses a few edits later was Ed being childish? _and marmite 15:30, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Sounds like another member of the P G Wodehouse cell (Psmith, anyone?). Fretfulporpentine 15:41, 23 November 2008 (EST)

That'd be Bugler then? _and marmite 15:45, 23 November 2008 (EST)

->Yoss. That editor (Rfiend) knows Ed, I've seen them interact before. He's probably got him tagged. _and marmite 15:47, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Tagged Ed? If so, good. One needs to keep track of a guy like that, lest he actually do some damage (CP doesn't count). --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 17:03, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Ew, tagging Ed Poor... It's bad enough that Ed is tagging Anne Rice... --Marty 05:22, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Maybe Ed should write pieces for this guy. - User $\pi$ 18:54, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Wow, that site's so badly written it ends up at hilarious. So far, I really love this review, which takes a fairly innocuous film, and criticizes it mostly because it should be nicer to southern white racists, and for the horrible heracy of thinking the Virgin Mary was good. Obviously not a Catholic, this guy. --Kels 20:32, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Dean's new job

Deleting and protecting the calendar. Very odd. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 14:06, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Apparently time has a liberal bias and, as relativity tell us, space as well. Let us only hope mass and energy stay firmly in the conservative camp. If we lose the conservation of mass-energy, all hell will break loose. Positively charged particles attracted to other positively charged particles!? Repulsive (yes, pun intended). Publius 15:35, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Naturally all those days & months have pagan connotations, & we can't have that on a conservaptive Christian wiki. Soon they will be replaced by more conservative month names, such as Reaganuary and Bushtember. weaseLOId~ 15:53, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I'm not terribly surprised they're shutting the door on dates. Take a look at what they've got on WP, lists of significant events, birthdates, and so forth, connected to every single one. Can you imagine CP trying to pull off something even remotely close? It'd be trash, and they simply don't have the manpower or knowhow to manage. Doint this is a bit of effort, but it saves them from that sort of embarrassment. --Kels 16:04, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Limbaugust, Rovetober...also, if the LIEberals get the conservation of mass-energy, it'll be the liberation of mass-energy.--Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 17:38, 23 November 2008 (EST)

That decision was made months ago, maybe even over a year ago. It's also in the MoS that dates aren't wikilinked, so it therefore makes no sense to have articles about dates if you aren't allowed to wikilink. (I was actually the one who added all those speedy tags; nobody would freaking do what they were supposed to do and just delete them (*cough* TK *cough*) and one day I got fed up and speedied them. This a week ago by now.)

The thinking was (and I don't know who decided this, though Andy (heck, and I) agrees) that having the WP "what happened on this date in history" pages would be a waste of effort, and wouldn't be very informative. And they'd probably just have to be copy/pasted from WP anyway. JazzMan 17:43, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Shouldn't that be a job for EdBot? - User $\pi$ 19:29, 23 November 2008 (EST)

What a pity, they could have built them from DeanS' awesome "news" blog. IE, each day would only list things that were good done by Christians, bad by atheists, things that show public schools are bad and homskollaring is good, etc. Then eventually they could have templated "this day in history" to the main page and basked in the defective glory. ħuman 19:32, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Starting new accounts

A lot of the time you can't. Proxima Centauri 15:42, 23 November 2008 (EST)

That's not really news. It's been that way for a long time. ħuman 19:45, 23 November 2008 (EST)

The site wasn't totally locked. I could edit with an existing account but couldn't create a new one. As far as I know that was new. Proxima Centauri 02:49, 24 November 2008 (EST)

4 hours later

Editing is usually open at this time of the day, why can't I create an account? - User $\pi$ 19:33, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Andy didn't finish writing his church-inpsired Sunday essay yet, and forgot to turn it on? ħuman 19:45, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Editing was normal yesterday. Proxima Centauri 03:12, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Today they've stopped new account creation. That was soon after BobM edited Conservapedia Day. They really dislike that for some reason. Conservvapedia Day is now protected but there are other articles where those cool pictures can go. Proxima Centauri 08:04, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Does that mean every time we put pressure onto them we can stop them allowing new accounts? Cool. Proxima Centauri 08:57, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Good job, Bugler!

Another one bites the dust. Note he blocks JArneal and not too long ago he was calling CPAdmin1 an idiot several times without even being specifically warned (instead, Ed warns everyone to save Bugler). Just another case that makes ALL the folks who can unblock look like idiots for not intervening, pushes all other good contributors away, and further discredits CP as a whole. This guy is an artist. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 16:37, 23 November 2008 (EST)

This or This is a Malicious calumny in Bugler’s opinion. Calumny means slander and deception. Probably Bugler wants to say both are calumnies. Proxima Centauri 09:37, 24 November 2008 (EST)

CPU cycles

WIGOCP is by far our most popular page on the site, it also is the most CPU intensive to render. We are serving up this page thousands of times an hour and it is causing problems. And the demand is only going to get higher. Three things need to be done 1)The vote extension needs to be rewritten to minimize the amount of mysql queries it needs to perform, 2) We need to setup a working memcache system on the server, and 3) We need to start thinking about making the move to a dedicated server. No matter what I will keep plugging away at things trying to move forward, but it would move a lot faster if I had assistance. So this is a call out to everyone who reads this site, lurkers and users a like, if you have technical know how on any of these issues and are willing to lend me a hand please get a hold of me via e-mail.

We are rapidly approaching a new "crisis" point due to our growing pains similar to about this time last year when I had to move RW several times till we found our new home. We are not there yet, but we are getting close, I am trying to do some "prep" work so that I can act before there is a problem that grinds things to a halt.

The good news is, that the reason for the problems is the continuing increase in our readership and user base. Having to improve and upgrade a website to support increases in traffic is not the worst problem we could be having! tmtoulouse 17:05, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Does this mean that we have a problem? PFoster 17:10, 23 November 2008 (EST)

You shouldn't be seeing that anymore, is it still coming up? I was running some optimization routines that caused that error about 20 minutes or so ago. Shouldn't happen again. tmtoulouse 17:15, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Great job to our glorious leader, TMT - I wish I had ANY expertise on this to help. Are the Google ads helping?-caius (orator) 17:12, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Google ads provide a small, but not insignificant income stream. RW started to "pay for itself" with ads, donations, subscriptions about July. Up until then most of the cost was still out of pocket from myself, and a few larger donations from users. If we have to upgrade our system we are probably looking at having to move towards a dedicated server that I control. Getting more ram and CPU on a rented server at this point doesn't justify the expense. For the cost of two months hosting I could by a barebones box that does what we need for a year. It just means moving away from pre-packaged hosting services. tmtoulouse 17:17, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Try Jeeves. He seems pretty savvy. Think he runs a server farm or something. _and marmite 17:13, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Don't forget the dilithium crystals.

I'm pretty good at this technology stuff, tmnt, I can help you out. First you have to restart the server, and if that doesn't work, switch the polarity on the interferon redirector, make a back up of the warp drives (make sure you have double redundancy) and then cut the red and blue wires at the exact same time, and connect them to the yellow wire. Then restart it again, and all is fix0rd. JazzMan 17:49, 23 November 2008 (EST)

You have no idea what you're talking about. He needs to recalibrate the flux capacitor. Fuckin' n00b. PFoster 17:56, 23 November 2008 (EST)

WRONG. If he does that, he'll overload the antimatter containment field and cause a warp core breach that could destroy the entire sector!-caius (orator) 18:07, 23 November 2008 (EST)

And you, amateurs, haven't considered the impact of the LHC. Well, now that I think of it, the end of the world (thanks to LHC) is near, so I wouldn't worry about new servers. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 18:18, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Will this involve pressing the history eraser button? Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 18:21, 23 November 2008 (EST)

PFoster, you are calling *me* an amateur, yet you think tmnt's problems are from the flux capacitor? Puh-leeze, where'd you get your ASDF certification, the back of a crackerjack box in 1953????

Editor, I can't believe I was so stupid! I haven't been doing as much work post-LHC, so I forgot to account for it. TMNT, you need to add a 42.pi millisecond pause in between cutting the red and blue wire (blue first, of course). JazzMan 18:29, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Re: the LHC, I do wonder why they didn't think to implement a mechanism to check the integrity of the neutrino displacement field. It seems like such a simple mistake.

Corry, you're probably thinking of the chronological redefinition interface. I certainly hope so! That one is always a blast to use. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 18:35, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Has anybody tried just kicking it and seeing if that helps? Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 19:13, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I assumed tmnt already tried that. No techie worth his salt would ask for help before the KIASITH manouver. JazzMan 20:05, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Where I come from, we call that an "American repair". --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 20:40, 23 November 2008 (EST)

In America, I know it as "percussive maintenance" 71.183.186.168 20:52, 23 November 2008 (EST)

In UK is "Brummagem (Birmingham) screwdriver" _and marmite 15:14, 25 November 2008 (EST)

In Soviet Russia, broken machine kicks you! Smyth 11:23, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Guys, guys. Before doing all that stuff, why not just reverse the polarity of the neutron flow and see if that helps? --Gulik 14:35, 25 November 2008 (EST)

If you need help turning the broadband button off and on then I'm your man. MarcusCicero 06:18, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Perfect Homework score - OMG !

quote"The legal cases are tricky to keep straight". My deepest sympathies (really!) to a certain on-line encyclopedia blog owners clients. Hamster 17:26, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Wait, what claim is Andy doubting in H1? That the submarine changed Naval warfare? Isn't that, you know, indisputable fact? 199.126.157.22 18:25, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I suspect that he meant to type "H3" but, because he is a ham-fisted moron, accidentally typed "H1". --Horace 18:45, 23 November 2008 (EST)

The fingers you have used to dial are too fat. To obtain a special dialing wand, please mash the keypad with your palm now. Stile4aly 19:06, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Is Question Two for real? He can't seriously be grading on that stuff, can he? --Kels 19:52, 23 November 2008 (EST)

would you believe Yes and Yes . Fear not , the future is in the great hands , of Andys homeschoolers (or someone) Hamster 20:26, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Actually both Andy and the student need to check there navel history U-boats weren't used until WW2. - User $\pi$ 20:49, 23 November 2008 (EST)

No my bad after checking U-boats did begin commission in WW1. - User $\pi$ 20:51, 23 November 2008 (EST)

And submarines date back to the 18th century, although they were pretty much suicide missions (I saw it at the Groton Naval Museum thing). ħuman 23:13, 23 November 2008 (EST)

The H. L. Hunley, a Confederate vessel during the American Civil War, was the first submarine to successfully sink a ship, although the Hunley itself sank after the attack. Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 00:08, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Church shooting

I dont want to be like Andy and make a tragedy a political point but I do remember him saying that there are shootings in schools because of the lack of faith and that it would never happen say, in a church. Well Andy, this one is in your neighbourhood. Ace McWicked^{The Liquid Room} 18:51, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Another case of Battered Woman Syndrome. /reallybadsarcasm Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 18:57, 23 November 2008 (EST)

You're missing the point, Ace - neither the victim nor the shooter in that case were white. Therefore, it's clear they were atheists and not real Christians. Open your mind. You must either be AmesG, or oppose school prayer.-caius (orator) 19:39, 23 November 2008 (EST)

(EC) Ace McWicked (if that is your real name), you are ignoring the fact that this incident took place in a Syrian Orthodox Church. According to the CIA world factbook, only 10 percent of Syria is Christian. So the odds are overwhelming that the shooter was a moslem. Deny this and loose credibility. Godspeed.--Teh Assfly

I hope you don't mind, but I added the obligatory "Godspeed."-caius (orator) 19:57, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Someone already pointed out a whole bunch of cases of violence in church. I forget what Andy's response was (something dumb, no doubt) and I'm too lazy to look it up. JazzMan 20:01, 23 November 2008 (EST)

The reason he made for that church shooting before with the female guard in Colorado was outside atheistic influences from public schools and liberals. In other words, it has nothing to do with the church or religion, but corruption from evul liebrulz. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 20:35, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Ahh, I get it

Remember a couple of weeks back, Ken was making a big fuss about how atheism (or evolution, or something) was doomed because some Xian apologetic sites were going to have major articles about the subject? I remember there was confusion, given that publishing articles like that was the point for having those sites. At the time, Ken bizarrely said that they didn't have major articles, but would soon. Well, this brief conversation puts it more into focus for me. The trick lies in Ken's definition of "major article", and I suspect he defines the term as "article that Ken wrote himself", presumably under an assumed name. It would fit in with his ego and various delusions perfectly, to say nothing of his ambition to make his articles Number One. Anyone else seeing this? --Kels 20:05, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Anybody want to put Ken'a awards back on his talkpage for me? - User $\pi$ 20:10, 23 November 2008 (EST)

(EC) Ken's style of writing takes me waaaaay back to when you had one line of text visible on the screen at a time (teletype ?). He repeats & repeats words/phrases within the same paragraph ("Webmaster" here) as if he can't see or remember what he's already typed. & yes,Kels, I think we're all seeing that. If past experience is anything to go by it'll fizzle out & be repeated in about six weeks. _and marmite 20:13, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Oh, I knew it was going to fizzle, that's obvious. But what I'm seeing here is his amusingly feeble attempt to make it look like there are others working with him, when it seems to be more "a friend, yeah, friend, that's the ticket". --Kels 20:25, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Wow, that is such an old SNL reference. - User $\pi$ 20:41, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Back at about here is this "webmaster" Mariano? - User $\pi$ 22:31, 23 November 2008 (EST)

"Castle whaaaa?"

The castle clause doesn't cover insulting other users, so FoxTrot was fully justified in blocking Ferno. There's still a news story here though: Ferno was using Bugler's exact words, but only Ferno was blocked. So Bugler should also be blocked for three months (maybe longer; Ferno got time off for tenure, but he's edited longer than Bugler has). JazzMan 23:37, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Thank you. I knew that I was going to be blocked for that but I did not imagine it would be for three months. I was hoping to just make a point. And Foxtrot has apparently decided that the best way to remedy the situation is to block himself for an hour . . . FernoKlump 23:47, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I'm only surprised it wasn't infinite, honestly. As for Bungler, he's very blatantly under Ed's protection, Andy's adopted a "I see nothing...nothing!" approach, and TK's taken him on as a protege. So it's hardly surprising that no punishment will ever befall him, even as he gets more and more obvious about his desire to destroy the site. --Kels 23:54, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Edited to cover that - thanx Jazz. It's still a crap policy, but not unexpected from a site where the removal of dissenting opinions is absolutely critical to the site's continued existence.-caius (orator) 00:20, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Eh, I don't disagree with the policy, depending on how strict they are with defining "insulting other users" (or whatever the language they use is). Like most other rules, though, it only gets enforced as an excuse to get rid of someone they don't like. JazzMan 01:50, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Yes, the "no insults on user pages" rule would be defensible in general if it weren't applied to squelch the ONLY means of free expression on the entire website.-caius (orator) 02:25, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Penny drops. I'm soooo slow sometimes

The real reason why sysops are crawling all over my edits like lice, and why Ed is so keen to start dishing out blocks and trying to create confrontation... Fox 05:35, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I'm so confused! Is it just that TK's lying? And who the eff is "Matt at RW?" And who's your informant, and why can you trust them, and what's the blacked-out diff?-caius (orator) 10:15, 24 November 2008 (EST)

PS, Fox, don't let TK chase you down his little insane rabbit hole. If you start playing with his little conspiracy theories, he's won. Take it from someone who's been there before.-caius (orator) 10:32, 24 November 2008 (EST)

You were always a volunteer, though. --Kels 11:16, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Yes, but I believe I've learned since then.-caius (orator) 11:21, 24 November 2008 (EST)

If "Matt" = User:NightTrain, then it's true, but largely irrelevant, since he doesn't edit here anymore. JazzMan 14:31, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I was assuming "Matt" was me. But I can't work out why someone would reach the conclusion that I am TK (my edits here are insignificant). One theory - someone has spotted my IP on RW (I have edited naked once or twice by mistake) and erroneously attributed it to TK back on CP. I don't know much about IPs but all mine ought to be Australian, so they've f***ed up if that is what has happened. Other theory - TK is spreading misinformation, but again I can't see why he would choose me. In any case, Fox should be able to find edits of mine on his talk page from a few months back that are fairly conclusive.Matt 16:21, 24 November 2008 (EST)

TK's misinformation isn't always logical. In fact, the less logical it is, the more likely it is to shake foundations. JazzMan 19:22, 24 November 2008 (EST)

TK's IPs are all either a crappy town in the middle of nowhere in a state I won't discuss for fear of compromising his privacy, or a super-anonymous proxy that he somehow is able to use. Oh, and further to point, we uninstalled the Checkuser function looooong ago. There's still a user group "checkuser," but the page associated with the right doesn't exist.-caius (orator) 19:38, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I assumed it was a crappy town. I'll add that to my description.

Bugler, entryism and Trotsky

The thing is that Bugler's article on Trotskyism is shaping up to be quite a good article. Make that very good, informative,and just the right level. It also stikes the right tone, showing that you don't need to slag off a viewpoint for it still to be perfecty clear that you think it's stupid --Toffeeman 07:23, 24 November 2008 (EST)

He then goes and spoils it by calling the "'nons first' versus resistance to redundancies" debate "farcical". Obviously he has no inkling of what complete and utter bastards the 'nons first's were. Splitters.--Toffeeman 12:13, 24 November 2008 (EST)

There's few substances known to Man more fissile than a bunch of Trots... ;) --Robledo 13:27, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Plan B from WTF

TK's plan rolls along nicely, as he targets RJJensen. Apparently because RJ included TK's one-sentence stub in his article which he then claimed authorship of. Who's next? P.S. TK, if this is how you get your jollies, you are sad, sad, lonely old man. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 07:43, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Well, I think we all, CP and RW users, are "sad, sad, lonely old men". Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 07:50, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I resent being called "old"! *dishes out infinite blocks* Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 10:28, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Sad and old possibly describes it best... ArmondikoV^gnostic 10:33, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I'm a little taken aback by the "men" bit, myself. --Kels 11:17, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Back to TK for a sec, WTF is this all about? --Kels 11:25, 24 November 2008 (EST)

He's trying to discredit RJJenson by listing his block log, but all he'd have to do is look at his own to make it moot. 'Course, if Jenson did that, he'd get blocked. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 11:31, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I love that. Put this together with this, tell me what you come up with. --Kels 11:44, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Croc's definitely a parodist. His "News" items have been acting as dirty great plague signs on their front door for months now. --Robledo 12:21, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I lol'd, someone posted TK's block list and he is too ashamed, but not ashamed enough to post others. That's lulzy. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 12:51, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Ha, TK accuses RJJ of plagiarism! Now isn't that rich? Maybe someone should post this list on CP.  Lily ^{Ta, wack!} 13:50, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Wow, TK is an ass. The template that RJ posted wasn't saying that *TK's* version was copied, but that *RJ's* version was copied. His quickness to act violently on his total inability to understand things never ceases to amaze me. JazzMan 14:35, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Everything TK does is a copy. The new article TK "wrote" at CP on 19 Nov 2008 - Third Party System - is copied verbatim from http: //en.citizendium.org/wiki/Third_Party_System - Someone should do another side by side comparison.. 85.195.123.24 19:33, 24 November 2008 (EST)

You seem confused, Richard Jensen wrote both (or wrote it once and copied it to CP). - User $\pi$ 19:49, 24 November 2008 (EST)

This is the article I am referring to: this is from TK User contributions:

23:13, 19 November 2008 (hist) (diff) New! Third Party System‎ (wanted page, beginning stub to start)

23:33, 19 November 2008 (hist) (diff) New! Talk:Third Party System‎ (New page: Thanks, Mike...but as it was just a beginning stub, the actual placement of all the refs within the article will be problematic until I add more material, or someone else does, so I just l...) 193.200.150.189 20:17, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Speaking of WTF-inducing TK moments: "I consider Andy Schafly a trusted friend.(sic)" Really? Fascinating. A Writer of Vaudevilles 03:01, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Unfortunately, AFAIK, all the evidence of the very public falling out these two had (I think it was one of the contests, and I think I actually agreed with TK *gasp*) has been salted, so I don't think we even have the diff links to prove him wrong. If I'm wrong, and someone does find them, be sure to screenshot them! If they do exist, they won't for long! --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 03:31, 25 November 2008 (EST)

New block reasons?

Not WIGO worthy, but I thought this was funny: Your small grammatical edit was fine. However, you inserted nonsense gibberish with your edit comment.

Vandals have killed their sense of humor. Bjones 10:17, 24 November 2008 (EST)

DeanS changed his mind and reverted the comma as well. Evil comma.--KrissAkabusiAwoogar 10:30, 24 November 2008 (EST)

As far as the grammar is concerned, I think that DeanS is actually right... --Just passing by 11:02, 24 November 2008 (EST)

The Oxford comma is a matter of personal preference. I like, others don't, neither were wrong. DickTurpis 11:14, 24 November 2008 (EST)

(EC) Ummm, all members in a series should have a comma, including the one before the 'and' as far as I know. Also, it is now officially a block reason. DANCE FOR ME LITTLE MAN!! DANCE!!!. God, I'm bored. Bjones 11:18, 24 November 2008 (EST)

That last comma, the one before the "and," is called the "Oxford comma" or the "Harvard comma." Its use is optional, depending on what style guide you use. PFoster 11:25, 24 November 2008 (EST)

(EC)Personal preferences and ambiguity. Though there's also an apparent conflict with "British" and "American" English so CP is likely to get it's knickers in a twist over it. ArmondikoV^gnostic 11:28, 24 November 2008 (EST)

And as the WP page points out, in most other languages it is never used - at least those I know :-D Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 12:18, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I was taught to use a comma before the last item "anded" to the list if & only if the last item contained an "and": e.g. in a list of board games if the last one was "snakes and ladders". However this seems to be observed as much by omission as commission. _and marmite 14:08, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Using it is a good rule, as it avoids confusion. Many lists, however, would not become confusing without that comma. Eats, Shoots, and Leaves of course is the reverse problem. "I'd like to thank my parents, Madonna and the Pope" is oone of the classic "constructed" examples of why it should be used. ħuman 17:55, 24 November 2008 (EST)

More WP Ed Wackiness

Don't know if this has been linked before, but I came across it just now and...I don't even know. Seems he tried to include it in the main space and got it handed right back. Been there for a while, too. Wow, Ed really is easy to mock if you just watch him for five minutes... --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 12:41, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Speaking of Ed, I don't know if this is WIGO worthy, but this is an information removal gem. And the ignorance shall set you free! Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 12:45, 24 November 2008 (EST)

So the quality of writing isn't just restricted to CP... I vaguely see the point, when you're indoctrinated into "fact" it's difficult to see the other side. But surely fundies who think the earth is 6000 years old are just as, if not more, guilty of it than people know "know" that the Earth is round? (But to Corry; I reckon that is pretty WIGO worthy, unless people think that there's too much Ed there at the moment.) ArmondikoV^gnostic 12:50, 24 November 2008 (EST)

That's an excellent one, actually. But I'm biased, I can't get enough of the Ed craziness. That one sums it up pretty clearly, too. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 12:52, 24 November 2008 (EST)

WIGOed. This man is like a knowledge black hole. If I lived next door to him, I would probably alternatively forget and remember things as I walked towards and away from his house. Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 12:59, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Ed's the kind of guy who would write an article about how Albert Schweitzer once fell asleep in church when he was five-years-old, then vaguely allude to something about Africa (the LIBERAL continent). --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 13:05, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I'd pay to see someone do that much linguistic gymnastics! ArmondikoV^gnostic 13:36, 24 November 2008 (EST)

How about a new Fun article: Writing Articles Like Ed Poor? --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 14:24, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Ames ?

once again the Dread Pirate Ames is blocked after saying unkind things (possibly about TK and Rationalwiki) - oddly the page has been deleted. My hat off to Ames, he sure gets around . Hamster 12:51, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Ah, I remember the old days, when everyone was Sid. --Kels 13:05, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Ha! I remember when everyone was Icewedge - oh, wait a minute, everyone was Icewedge back then. _and marmite 13:32, 24 November 2008 (EST)

The part of Icewedge was played by Helena Bonham Carter. --Kels 13:42, 24 November 2008 (EST)

HEY! I thought I was Ames! EternalCritic 13:45, 24 November 2008 (EST)

And I was fabulous... </twirls> --Helena Bonham Carter 13:56, 24 November 2008 (EST)

<swoon> --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 14:38, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Getting an A

So, I was reading the homework assignments today (they all got new Cats, so they were "up" again when i was playing over there), and i found out how to get an A in andy's class. Especially if you can't write a coherent sentence or if you are missing out on critical facts. Just express how the world today would be better with the moralistic values espoused (but never followed) by Andy. "The world could use more of those morals" states one student. To which andy, in an attempt not to climax too soon, replies "excellent answer, Will use as a Model". --En attendant Godot_{"«Let the credulous and the vulgar continue to believe that all mental woes can be cured by a daily application of old Greek myths to their private parts. V.Nabokov»} 17:51, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Please don't use the words climax and Andy in the same sentence. The worst a student can really get is an A- (except for that one - where he even asked the student if they even belonged in his class, which was a 77/100). Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 18:20, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Movie review or Ed's fantasy?

This is getting kind of disturbing... "In the next scene, she has enrolled in a creative writing class taught by the schoolteacher she has a crush on." "Shelley, a divorced makeup artist who wears short dresses" Is this really a film, or is Ed just daydreaming? --JeevesMkII 13:51, 24 November 2008 (EST)

That's just creepy. ArmondikoV^gnostic 13:55, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Ah, two of Ed's regular obsessions: A fascination with slutty young girls, and moralizing about inappropriately-dressed adult women.--WJThomas 14:08, 24 November 2008 (EST)

This edit comment sums it up pretty well: "the abnormal elements just keep piling up" - is he talking about the movie or himself? weaseLOId~ 14:12, 24 November 2008 (EST)

It is a real movie, by the way, and a fairly popular one, though Ed's summary of it is somewhat bizarre.--WJThomas 14:20, 24 November 2008 (EST)

• Y'know... some guys, when they reach a certain age, just begin to behave, let's say, in a politically incorrect way. Poor Ed Poor. JJ4E^{Veritas vincere tenebras} 14:17, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Oh lord NO! He's liveblogging his viewing of a DVD again. DickTurpis 14:18, 24 November 2008 (EST)

So long as he doesn't blog what he's doing while watching, I guess we can stomach it. --Kels 14:21, 24 November 2008 (EST)

This is just bizarre. "The next morning, she screams because she hemorrhaging." I can only assume he means menstruating, unless there's a stabbing here that he forgot to describe. What a weirdo. --JeevesMkII 14:35, 24 November 2008 (EST)

GROUND CONTROL TO MAJOR ED, YOUR BRAIN IS DEAD, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG,

CAN YOU HEAR ME, MAJOR ED?

CAN YOU HEAR ME, MAJOR ED?

CAN YOU HEAR ME, MAJOR ED?

CAN YOU--

SOUNDS LIKE-- <turns off caps> --sounds like Ed never got the facts of life. I...I'm at a loss. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 14:49, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Someone figured out what he must be doing. So I guess it IS possible to expel bodily fluids violently from more than five orifices at once, as I've just experienced. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 14:59, 24 November 2008 (EST)

MOAR LIBERACE! I want to buy this man a goat. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 15:02, 24 November 2008 (EST)

12 internets for someone to go over there and liveblog "Audition." Stile4aly 15:27, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Or Cannibal Holocaust. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 15:31, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Check out the talk page for it. http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:My_Girl

Any idea of what he's talking about? -Lardashe

Nope, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't either. Check out the talk page for Great Minds Think Alike for a similar stream-of-unconsciousness ramble. --Kels 15:47, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Oh my. He's doing the sequel now! What the hell, doesn't he have a job to do? Is Andy now employing him as professional teen movie reviewer now? --JeevesMkII 15:57, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I would like to congratulate Ed for creating three red links while during his idiotic liveblogging. Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 16:12, 24 November 2008 (EST)

hes linked the movie to Expelled in his comment line , Ben Stein appeared in both . Hamster 16:31, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I like how he finds it "strange" that a girl might bond with a woman who bothers to explain that "Nope, she's not dying, it's just the Curse". Has Ed ever been married?--En attendant Godot_{"«Let the credulous and the vulgar continue to believe that all mental woes can be cured by a daily application of old Greek myths to their private parts. V.Nabokov»} 17:35, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Premusably the Rev Moon might have married him to some poor unfortunate female at some time but as for "chatting up" a woman on his own behalf - the idea makes one's skin crawl. _and marmite 17:47, 24 November 2008 (EST)

We should come up with a list of movies for Ed to liveblog into articles over the T-day break... ħuman 18:12, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I'll bet Pretty Baby would be right up his alley. Probably the whole young-Brooke ouevre, really---Blue Lagoon, Endless Love...--WJThomas 19:32, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I believe he's a Wachowski Brothers fan so "Bound" should be right up his street. _and marmite 19:41, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I think he should try his hand at Irreversible. ħuman 18:27, 25 November 2008 (EST)

56 views a day

What is Ken rambling about in this edit summary? Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 17:48, 24 November 2008 (EST)

You're clueless E@CP. 56 views per day translates to over 400,000 views every 20 years. The time of stalking is over! What happened to Evolutionism on the internet will soon happen to famous American artists on the internet! :)

Wow, Ken's getting even more transparent with his whole "More pageviews!!!" gig? Geez. --Sid 18:00, 24 November 2008 (EST)

56 views a day? My webcomic, which has been on hold for over a year gets that much. --Kels 18:22, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Where can we view your webcomic?Czolgolz 18:38, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Right here, although it's on hold while I go to school. Hopefully I'll be confident enough to re-start the strip come spring, but for now there's nothing really new. Oh, and this piece is intended as a concept for later in the series. --Kels 21:06, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Want my quick analysis, SEO wise? What that article really needs is more references to the dangers of homosexualism as well as their lifestyle . . . ^{Exasperate me!}Sheesh!_{Not the most impressive contributor here} 18:40, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Defending Bugler

Who will be blocked in defense of Bugler next? PJR, HelpJazz, or HenryS? --BoredCPer 18:39, 24 November 2008 (EST)

None of the above; regardless if they're disliked, ostracized, and belittled by everyone, they're still above the rules just like the rest of them. Bohdan said a while back (Jazz's talk page archive, I think?) that he said Bugler was a parodist. Yup, nothing happened. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 18:59, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Even better: so far Foxtrot (and the inevitable sysops who are watching) is using the "head in the sand" approach. So.... Bugler is the clear winner here. Again. JazzMan 13:00, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Ed's Ego...

The following appears on Ed's user page:

“” Q: Is this your personal blog, or what?! A: No, but it just so happens that nearly every word I type, link I create, article or template I start - gains instant and widespread acceptance. Q: Isn't that a bit arrogant? A: Okay, I guess you're right. Perhaps I should be more humble.

Aside from the general ridiculousness of the comment and self-adoration, I was just thinking, I wonder what makes Ed think everything he writes "gains instant and widespread acceptance"? Is it more than delusions of grandeur? My theory is, yes. When Ed writes a new page on Conservapedia - say, "Birds and the Bees" or "Great minds think alike" - there's an IMMEDIATE influx of parodists trying to destroy the article, moderate CP sysops/admins trying to move it to the essay space, and extremist sysops trying to make it readable and (for God's sake) put a category to it. I think Ed confuses the massive influx of people trying to clean up after his little "droppings of wisdom" as praise. Just a theory. He's like a kindergartener - oooh, attention!-caius (orator) 19:59, 24 November 2008 (EST)

He's not very active on WP now but he's still checking up on all those Homosexual things that go on there. (Sorry Ames, didn't know where else to put it)_and marmite 20:12, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Back to Ames, Ed could not be anymore full of himself and his "big standing" in wiki communities. The other day (I can't find it without getting distracted by his other ramblings in his contributions list) he was writing on how people were jealous that he is a sysop and people have to do what he says as a result (I remember during his RfA at WP they got shitty with him when they found it in one of his "guidelines"). - User $\pi$ 20:28, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Debate?

Bohdan is soliciting a debate with Ames tonight at 10pm eastern. Will Andy require a security deposit? (Under "Debate?") Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 20:34, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Do I haveta?-caius (orator) 21:41, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Bohdan: (1) account creation is closed, (2) I don't currently have a sock, (3) the people you blocked today for being me were not, in fact, me, and (4) if you unblock AmesG I will happily debate you :).-caius (orator) 22:03, 24 November 2008 (EST)

This oughta be good. So, what's the topic? And what odds are we giving on someone blocking Ames in mid-post? --Gulik 14:58, 25 November 2008 (EST)

He's finally lost it

What is Andy doing? He's started banning everyone who joins for five years, giving the reason that they have improper names (such as LisaT and HaydenK). There's no apparent reason, he's just gone ban-happy. Looking further into it, I don't think any of the banned editors had made a single edit. -Redback^G'day 20:39, 24 November 2008 (EST)

It makes no sense. If you pick "Monsterpenis666," then OK, I can see that. But LisaT? This guy's tilting at windmills. Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 20:43, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Well, the law of averages says he's probably right. When is the last time a good-faith, non-vandal, non-parodist non-insane, non-idiot editor signed up under their real name? RJjenson, I'd guess....another sign that CP as an open-to-all-comers project is long dead. PFoster 20:54, 24 November 2008 (EST)

His own students (ChickMagnet to name one) are allowed. Fucking hypocrite. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 20:59, 24 November 2008 (EST)

The "non-idiot" criterion really narrows the field. Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 21:00, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I would honestly be surprised, if more than 1 in 20 registrations were a genuine editor these days. - User $\pi$ 21:16, 24 November 2008 (EST)

And the chances are that 1 in 20 is a clean sock one of us has made, or some other enemy of Conservapedia has made. Proxima Centauri 11:00, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I think it's time to move Operation Tom Dick and Harry into action. We create as many accounts as we can using every common first name and last initial combination. I think we've sewn up John, Michael, Mike, Joseph, Joe, James, Jim, and Mark pretty well (though not always entirely). I'll have to check. Paul, Brian, Ryan, William, Will, Bill, Thomas, Tom, Sam, David, Dave, and many others are started but not filled yet. I haven't worked on the girls names yet. It'll be amusing when just about everyone is banned and told to use their first name and last initial, only to find out they can't. DickTurpis 21:24, 24 November 2008 (EST)

The best part is they will make it easy. If they see a long list of names in the Recent Changes list they will block them as unused socks. How about we keep track using an article matrix style thing? Conservapedia:Unusable names? - User $\pi$ 21:30, 24 November 2008 (EST)

You have to love Andy's logic. Yes Andy five years does fall under the meaning of "later" but in the real world it is never. --BoredCPer 21:39, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Let us remember that Andy is probably right, the probability of someone's first name being Lisa and last name starting with T are probably like 20,000 to 1. So therefore there is a .005% chance she is not lying. We are not fooled so easily. DickTurpis 21:41, 24 November 2008 (EST)

A matrix will have to be pretty big. We need a lot of names, particularly as so many names have shortened versions. I think the trick is to pick one common name and run the alphabet on it. To see what's not taken I've been just trying to log in. If, say, "ChristopherW" leads to a "Password entered was blank" it's taken, if it reads "There is no user by the name 'ChristopherW'", you're good to go. I tried checking user creation logs, but for some reason it gave a bunch if false negatives. No idea why. DickTurpis 21:39, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Or you could just user cp:Special:Listusers. - User $\pi$ 21:47, 24 November 2008 (EST)

He blocked HaydenK, LisaT, and KaydeP in the space of one minute, so I assumed he did that based on IP address information. Is that too generous of an assumption? --Toiretni 21:42, 24 November 2008 (EST)

It would make perfect sense if his reasoning were "abusing multiple accounts", but not for a "come back with your real first name and las initial". Besides, Andy rarely checks that. Karajou does to almost every new account though. It's best to sock up when he's not active, by the way. DickTurpis 21:44, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I doubt it was based on IPs, because KaydeP was one of mine. First one I'd made for hours as well, so I could just as easily have been a legitimate user. -Redback^G'day 21:57, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Re: LisaT. Has he finally gone off the deep end? I mean...there must be something we're missing. The only other explanation is that he really is crazy. No, not "Oh, haha, Andy's crazy." I mean Andy IS crazy. Certifiable. NO. Not hyperbole crazy. I mean he hears voices in his head crazy. Because that? that's crazy. It's gotta be IPs...right? --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 01:32, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I was wondering if "LisaT" had some implied meaning like "RichardD" might (ie Dawkins), or, more obviously "AdolfH" or "HermannG" or "EdmundP". I couldn't think of anything though. Did she really have no edits? Or did she write something that was deleted? Based on his comments I wonder if the Schlafly Statistics answer is the right one here: that the chances of someone having that specific name are very small, therefore she is almost certainly lying. It fits in with his complete and utter misunderstanding of statistics and logic. But then why this name and not so many others? I'm starting to wonder if they're now realizing that the only people who sign up using their proper naming convention without being ordered to are RW socks, thus paradoxically making everyone who obeys the rules an automatic vandal. But is he really that neurotic and paranoid? I hope so; that means we're doing our jobs. DickTurpis 01:50, 25 November 2008 (EST)

(EC)So, basically we've turned Schlafly into Gene Hackman at the end of the The Conversation. Excellent. Now if Philip finally realises he's too good for them, Götterdämmerung can begin. (TK: If I cannot extort love, then by cunning can I attain pleasure? Hear me, ye waves: thus I curse love!) --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 02:53, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I wonder if I should make an account named KoitN and see how long it lasts, or how about LingÆ? ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ the bathtub of all rabbits!

Reward

Five internets and a goat to anyone who adds "And so am I -Ed" after this edit. DickTurpis 22:35, 24 November 2008 (EST)

That sent a shiver down my spine. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 22:55, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Ed said "happy ending". Gross. ħuman 23:51, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Okay... There's "The Talk", which is creepier than anything that has come before. ArmondikoV^gnostic 09:09, 25 November 2008 (EST)

At the moment new account creation is blocked over there. We can't do that without using up a sockie. With new accounts stopped there there'll be relatively few disruptions for them to deal with so they'll be onto you fast. I don't suppose they'll give up on new accounts all together. Sooner or later we'll get a chance at that competition. Proxima Centauri 09:22, 25 November 2008 (EST) Done! Account creation is now allowed. Proxima Centauri 10:14, 25 November 2008 (EST)

You bring this up like 123487y438767290387 times per day. Account creation turns on and off all the time. (It's usually off at night, after a period of vandalism, and after a period of suspicious mass account creation. Then it turns back on a couple hours later). You don't need to announce it every single time it changes. JazzMan 13:06, 25 November 2008 (EST)

WHOOSH!

Bugler pushed one too many buttons this time. PJR lets him have it. Parodist RodWeathers tries to wade in and calls Phil's argument stupid and malicious. Can't wait to see Andy's response, if any... Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 22:55, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Actually, as I read it the Rod accused PJR of calling Andy, Rod, & c. stupid and malicious. Still.... ħuman 19:06, 25 November 2008 (EST)

perhaps you also think that insisting that "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" is not atheistic. Is he still harping on about that shit? Andy seems to hold the belief that if you repeat something enough (or add it to enough articles on CP) it then becomes true. - User $\pi$ 23:37, 24 November 2008 (EST)

You don't honestly think that beauty is subjective do you? Your liberal denial is astounding. Andy's dad thinks Phyllis Schlafly is an attractive, fuckable woman, therefore it is absolute fact that she is an attractive, fuckable woman. It is undeniable to any open minded person. DickTurpis 23:45, 24 November 2008 (EST)

How absurd. Fred Schlafly has never had sexual relations with anyone, as he is merely a physical manifestation of Phyllis' insanity and hypocrisy. Indeed, she reproduces asexually, budding little Schlaflies in a manner just as grotesque as you can imagine. Publius 23:57, 24 November 2008 (EST)

maybe Phyliss was a great beauty when younger ? anyway, beautiful and fuckable are not always required together , especially if its been a while

seperate issue , do we like PJR or do we want to nudge him off the cliff ? Hamster 00:04, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I vote cliff-nudge because I like him. For all his weird views, he's too smart and amiable to be wasting his time on CP. Publius 00:13, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I think he's getting nudged plenty well already, to be honest. If Bungler, Rod, TK and Andy himself don't do it, what do you think this lot here's gonna do? --Kels 00:24, 25 November 2008 (EST)

a nice mild CP editor could humbly suggest that since PJR won't accept andys decision that perhaps a holiday for him is needed to remove the time wasting discord. PURGE THE LIBERALS !!! Hamster 00:32, 25 November 2008 (EST)

The thing is, Andy is a coward. He can't possibly show any leadership, can't admit he was ever wrong and certainly won't make a decision. Weird as it may be, TK is the closest thing to a leader CP has ever had. A pity he's some sort of psycho. --JeevesMkII 00:39, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Everyone in this little indent tree is 100% right. Nudging him off BECAUSE we like him is the right thing to do, but what can we do, and what SHOULD we do if we can do anything to that effect? I submit, nothing to both: letting TK be TK is more than adequate to the task of destroying CP and scaring away sensible types, and we don't have to do anything there. Phil should "seek the havens" of CreationWiki within the month if TK and Bungler keep up the work, and if Andy continues to either steadfastly not lead, or affirmatively lead in the wrong direction. All aboard the fail boat!-caius (orator) 01:06, 25 November 2008 (EST)

As the unstated thesis/corollary, I counsel a policy of salutary neglect. The less we remind Phil that he hates us (who stand to profit from his departure) more than he hates them, the better. Although I'm not sure he actually does hate us... he's always been quite civil to me.-caius (orator) 01:08, 25 November 2008 (EST)

OK, I dont agree with his views but he does seem to be the sanest one there Hamster 01:52, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I think Phil's a pretty nice guy. I don't agree with him on a single issue (I suspect), but he really does seem like a genuinely honourable person, whatever his religious beliefs. I don't think he hates us. I think he just doesn't get us. Though, God knows how/if he gets the Goon Squad. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 02:32, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I don't think it matters what we do. I am going to assume that PJR is as intelligent as we are (his assumptions about the age of the Earth may be rooted in mythology rather than science, but thats him). As far as the society of online, that which is obvious to us is likely obvious to him too. Commenting on obvious things will remind PJR of them being the case. (1) Andy is an incompetent leader with reality warping glasses on. (2) TK has an interest in creating unrest. (3) Bugler is a parodist working at supporting Andy's wildest statements to goad him on and make him even more extreme. (4) Ed Poor is a creepy old man from a fringe religious group that attaches itself to conservative groups - creating pro moonie articles on CP with the hope of influencing young minds. (5) Ken only cares about the google rankings of his articles - nothing about the community or any other conservative cause. (6) The site is overrun by parodists who just want to goad Andy into making more and more absurd statements.

Given all these things, the question then becomes what does PJR care about? Conservipedia is making social conservatives look bad with intolerance - anything that isn't Andy's vision is "liberal". Ad homs fly around there against anyone who is vaguely going against the grain. There are more articles about homosexuality than any other topic. This is supposed to be an environment for homeschoolers. If PJR cares about educating students - they are being shown poor argument techniques (if you keep saying it and believe it to be true, it must be true) and being placed in an environment where intolerance is replacing Jesus's message of love. If PJR cares about social conservatives - it is being made to look like a laughing stock (I am sure he has looked at the links on google and searched google news where more people are pointing and laughing than taking them seriously, aside from Ken's occasional blog post from no-name blogs). He knows he has no hope of getting Andy to not make the Obama article into something other than a paranoid rant. He knows that Ed, TK, and Bugler will ultimately win because Andy will never slap any of them on the wrist much less say "no" to them (they all repeat the party line no matter how far from reality it may be). He knows that Andy has lost faith in him and won't ever back him up on anything. Even the next most reasonable person Jallen has said to him that there's no hope and he best just look away.

The question he is asking himself is if he should go down fighting (and possibly bring CP down along with him?) or save some of his reputation as a reasonable person and follow DanH. It is PJR's reasonableness that is the only thing keeping new editors from getting stomped on by 90/10 when they make their first edit or miss reading the huge bold text at the top of the registration page that says your name must be first name last initial (unless you are a person with block rights). If PJR walks away, maybe CP will implode and Andy's mother will admit it is embarrassing and he'll clean up his room wiki. If he stays and fights, well, that will just give us entertainment in the mean time. We don't care - we enjoy the popcorn. PJR has admitted that he hasn't looked too deeply at the rest of the wiki - he should. He should see what he's attached himself to. He should see what Ed is writing about, the quality of Andy's homework and his students answers... and his grading of them. And with all of this, Andy won't show one bit of backbone in dealing with sysop infighting. TK and Bugler will keep attacking PJR and as soon as he fights back (but he's actually Christian and will turn the other cheek again and again) Andy or someone speaking for him (because Andy won't) will say "you did wrong" and reverse the block.

No, there's nothing that PJR can do to change the direction of the train wreck... maybe if he lays down in the tracks, but there's a good chance he'll get run over and tossed aside too. But then, I'm sure he sees all this too. There are very few inferences here or predictions - just statements of what you can see if you step back for a little bit. PJR sees them too - though maybe not all in one giant wall of text. At least PJR doesn't read the first sentence only and then call the person a liberal. --Shagie 03:06, 25 November 2008 (EST)

A Last Stand?

Maybe we should have done this on Conservapedia day, or maybe we should wait until either Jazzman has had enough or PJR has had enough (and talks to us here) but the idea is: forget the wandalism, forget the pictures of Hitler, forget the (real) insults, Jazzman or PJR unblocks a load of us (repeatedly). We then hit Andy, TK and Ed with what they can't stand: reasoned argument. It probably won't last long, PJR/Jazzman will have to repeatedly unblock us and will end up de-sysoped and banned themselves, but it wil be fun. I myself look forward to pounding Andy on PNAS. AmesG can return in all his glory and challenge Andy to that debate. We can all row with Bugler (and as he will be "in" on the scheme he won't be blocking us. Hey, this could be Bugler's "outing"! Bugler's outing, PJR and Jazz's resignation all with so much reasoned debate the irrational ones will be totally unable to revert it all.--Toffeeman 05:46, 25 November 2008 (EST)

A brilliant plan. But with just one tiny flaw. CP won't fail unless Aschlafly decides to pull the plug. None of the above matters one jot. Ajkgordon 06:01, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Yes, I'd definitely define CP's failure as "Andy giving up". Which is possible, but unlikely. He really is quite stubborn in some respects so I wouldn't be suprised if you could do a full team change over and still have CP running exactly as it is now. ArmondikoV^gnostic 10:47, 25 November 2008 (EST)

CP's failure? Our success? I, for one, would just like to say to Andy what I've been wanting to say to Andy without being reverted and blocked. "Andy, you said X, but we know Y" (revert) (block) (unblock by PJR/Jazz) "Andy, you said X, but we know Y"

(revert) (block) (unblock by PJR/Jazz) "Andy, you said X, but we know Y" repeat over many different RWers and ad-Andy's-breakdown. --Toffeeman 10:53, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Living in dreamland folks. The man is incapable of admitting when he's wrong. Its almost sociopathic. He attributes anything bad with Liberal and anything Liberal with bad. He's a small minded fool who unfortunately is being allowed to teach children his bigotry.

The real problem lies in homeschooling (Not with the concept itself, but with insulating children/teenagers, preventing them from reading other materials, associating with other kids), and the indoctrination of children into a cultish retardedness. Genuinely scary. MarcusCicero 11:01, 25 November 2008 (EST)

BTW - neither HelpJazz nor Phil will unblock us all. As fun as that would be. I doubt either will ever be pissed enough to do that.-caius (orator) 11:11, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Especially as they're fundgelicals who don't drink. Or did you have another meaning of "pissed" in mind? Godspeed 12:12, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Ed tries to stifle the hate by listing personal remarks (which some aren't) so he can protect TK, just like he did on Bugler's talk page. There really is no insult to someone so blatantly one-sided. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 11:17, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I'm not a fundgelical. But I won't unblock, and I highly doubt PJR will either. Let's face it: it won't accomplish anything more than and won't stand any longer than the Hitler vandalism. Even if we say that Andy is away and PJR or I can't be de-powered, other sysops will step in and it will just be a giant wheel war. Additionally, I don't think PJR or I want to win in such a way that Bugler or TK can say "see, I told you I was right! Now give me my sysop powers." We both believe in the idea of the project, even if (as at least I still think) the project has not lived up to its ideal since day 1. JazzMan 13:27, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Everybody loves Rayment

PJR reads RationalWiki! --Marty 01:05, 25 November 2008 (EST) (Hey, I didn't know it...)

Well,I think Phil's the only one on there I would like to talk with - as long as Creationism/religion wasn't on the agenda. He seems like a nice, intelligent guy. I believe that he doesn't drink, which is a shame - rules out having a tinny with him. Dunno who suggested he was insincere or whatever - that's one thing he's not. _and marmite 01:12, 25 November 2008 (EST)

PJR, if you are reading this, we would happily welcome you to the virus-infected bakeingConservative of the Interwebs! ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ the bathtub of all rabbits!

Anyone witty enough to refer to RW as a "sock drawer" is more than welcome here. :D Clearly, the guy isn't going to stand for it when Andy really goes off the rails with Bullshit. ArmondikoV^gnostic 09:05, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Phil is clearly a nice and intelligent chap. That said, I don't really see what particular interest he would have in joining up here, or what he would be doing. I'm having trouble enough with that myself as it is. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 09:20, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Oh, I doubt he would want to. It's just that there are some CP editors and sysops that clearly aren't Andy's lapdogs so could actually make for reasoned and intelligent discussion. That doesn't say that they will want to, but that they'd do a fairly decent job if they wanted it. ArmondikoV^gnostic 09:22, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I don't think Philip would feel very comfortable here. But of course he cannot be compared to a bunch of bigoted/frustrated/stupid/narrow-minded conservapedians. Btw, Andy probably doesn't like him because he discovered PJR is a professional statistician. JJ4E^{Veritas vincere tenebras} 11:19, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Is that the same person? The good doctor's middle initial is "R". --Toiretni 11:22, 25 November 2008 (EST)

(ec) Not him. That's Phillip R. Rayment. PJR works with trains or something. DickTurpis 11:23, 25 November 2008 (EST)

(ec) PJR seems like a good and decent person. Compared to most Conservapedians, he is certainly reasonable and intelligent. Still, I have to wonder, which statement scores higher on the Hovind scale: "Obama is really a Muslim" or "There were dinosaurs on Noah's Ark" (which he apparently believes)? I'll grant you, the Muslim thing comes from a dark, dark place in Andy's black heart, while YECs aren't necessarily malicious.

Nevertheless, in terms of sheer implausibility, which one is more egregious? At least we can say that we can never absolutely be sure of anyone's true beliefs. A debunking of Dinosaurs, on the other hand, quickly comes to resemble one of those "Engineer's view of Santa Claus" e-mails that get sent around at Christmas. Godspeed 12:03, 25 November 2008 (EST)

While I think he is so misguided, I really continue to like PJR more and more. The sheer patience and effort he puts in is amazing. I really feel bad for him; it's like he doesn't realize that he is the only normal, reasonable conservative there, and that nobody else really is attempting to follow the rules of CP or their view of conservatism. He's like a tragic hero, in some ways. dream^ing 11:30, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Small rant, 'cause I know he'll only get hurt in the end like everyone else. :P

Philip - the only way to crack their porcelain wall is to use the past. TK says he only had healthy disagreements with Andy, then how'd he get his powers stripped when [everyone knows] sysops simply cannot be punished for anything they do. His last words on Andy's talk page before quitting were anything but "healthy", and it's obvious he's trying to weasel his way back in. Tell Ed Poor to block users for personal remarks instead of defending those he supports (he blocks users for remarks, but defends TK and Bugler without so much as a sweeping shout to everyone in the room), otherwise his double standard banner is proudly being shown as his true colors.

Start from the beginning, that 1) Obama's "My Muslim Faith" BS is taken completely out of context, 2) Andy posted numerous gossip entries about Obama on the talk page (dancing, for one) and the main page (that needed removal, even after he was proved wrong), 3) He and others are crying foul that "liberals are trying to censor the truth" when he is the only one reverting without reason and there's even a block reason for editing the Obama article, and finally 4) remember DanH and Andy's uncaring response to his long-time commitment to the blog. THAT's censorship. Don't remove the Muslim stuff, fact tag it all. Or, better yet, have a debate or poll in which editors can vote (new users excluded, like 250+ contribs needed?) to make your point known. You're fighting it alone just like every other editor has, and they lost because of bullying, close-minded ideology. Get the other administrators to stop being cowards and back you up. Right now it's you against 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and counting users (two of which are parodists). Use this template, block the troublemakers TK and RodWeathers for insulting you, use fire against fire. Roll the 1d20, stop using white magic and use black, no more mister nice guy, your powers gave you the ability to abuse them, so at least use them! _{Okay, I'm done ranting} Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 11:38, 25 November 2008 (EST)

BANGARANG, RUFIO!! ArmondikoV^gnostic 11:46, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I didn't say I wanted to prevent chaos... just chaos in Phil's favor. :P Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 12:50, 25 November 2008 (EST)