# Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive73

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## Nomination for most ironic statement on CP

My submission is number nine on the list found here. WilhelmJunker 17:27, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

That's incredibly awesome. It's even better than the 'conservative view' of socialism. -Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτstand up and shout 03:49, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

## New sysop pool

The sysop pool is being opened again, as Assfly has hinted that promotions are on the horizon. Well, not til November, but it's never to early to start gambling. First stage, putting forth those in contention, has begun. Odds to be worked out later. DickTurpis 17:58, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

Did Andy actually say anything about it? Because Croc on the "CP day" article, then Joaquin upped it to three. Then (this being CP and all) Chippeterson re-suggests it, which causes an odd little edit war. Jallen resolves it with a simple "(s)," but removes the number entirely. Has ASchlafly said anything about it somewhere else? Otherwise, I think the new sysop(s) might just be a suggestion that Andy could easily ignore. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 18:48, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

## Our gal Bethany

The "update" wherein she pwns Bungler should be its own entry. I want to vote it up, but found most of the rest of the WIGO not worthy. I know it's an ongoing story, but this is more about her than Burglar. Buggerer should stick to writing articles, I quite enjoyed his cp:by-election joynt. ħuman 18:03, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

With the First Anniversary of The Samwell Incident coming up I'm sure they'll be battening down the hatches soon. CЯacke® 18:11, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
Has it really been almost a year? My goodness, time does fly! Sandman 21:22, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
I think it's time for whoever it is to own up to being Bugler. Or we can just increase the paranoia by saying that I'm Bugler. And my wife is too. Armondikov 09:26, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
It's still too early. Be patient. Auld Nick 10:27, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

## Oh the irony

Not a WIGO or anything but I love the irony of saying that the Big bang is scientifically unsound yet the hydroplate theory, a big boat filled with animals including dinosaurs and great rafts of vegetation mats supporting the insects is the height of scientificness! Ace McWicked (sorry not signed in)

It never ceases to amaze me the level of contradiction in creationist models. One will argue on thing, say that carbon dating is wrong because of a variable speed of light, another will argue that something can't happen because of the second law of thermodynamics. But if the speed of light changed the second law of thermodynamics doesn't hold, due to radiation etc. But places like Answers in Genesis and Conservapedia compile these ideas like there is some big over arching model being formed when in fact each individual argument is ad hoc and most are contradictory. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 18:55, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
The thing that makes me laugh is when they use research by real, actual scientists to "support" whatever bogus theory they're pushing. Half the time they don't realise that the data was gathered using techniques that are based assumptions that wouldn't be true if godreallydidit 6000 years ago. Accepting their hypothesis as true undermines the validity of the very data they want to use to support it. Holy paradox, Batman! --JeevesMkII 20:43, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
I think this is what makes this project of rebutting it so hard. There is a whole over arching discipline to explain before you can even being to defend one theory agianist one attack. The pseudo-scientist have it easy as they only need to concentrate on one small argument at a time and not need to relate it back to a general context. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 21:18, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

## Genius is at work tonight

...But it would be wrong to call it out and draw attention. All I can say is that it's not vandalism, just a brilliant execution of strategy. --SpinyNorman 20:53, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

Haha, I wrote cp:strategy. ħuman 22:33, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
Someone has been reading WIGO talk. Ace McWickedwhisky 23:40, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
Actually the block had nothing to do with WIGO talk. --CPAdmin1 23:48, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
I am not suggesting that this particular block had anything to do with WIGO talk but HenryS's choice of words is a bit of a coincidence no? Ace McWickedwhisky 00:00, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I tend to ignore congratulatory messages after a block. It is really unproductive and quite pointless. --CPAdmin1 00:04, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Oh they all read this see above. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 00:01, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I know, they can read my angry rant below. Fuckers.Ace McWickedwhisky 00:03, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I suggest you save the ranting for when you are a little less angry. --CPAdmin1 00:05, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Not less angry, less drunk. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 00:07, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

I am not drunk, I am sitting at work in my office. Ace McWickedwhisky 00:10, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

"At work", LOL. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 02:48, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I'll get to work beating you down in a second. Ace McWickedwhisky 02:50, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
All good stuff above, but I was not referring to any blocks. --SpinyNorman 01:01, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

## Daleks

The perfect metaphor for how CP sysops behave. Ext-erm-in-ate! ħuman 22:26, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

What's the equivalent to stairs? --Toiretni 22:36, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
Logic? Science? AmesG? Or did you want something that would actually shut them the fuck up? ħuman 22:38, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
It doesn't matter, now. Daleks can float. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 22:43, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
Yah, upside down in a swamp!!! I pwn daleks in my sleep! Wait, did you mean they are witches? ħuman 22:55, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
New series Daleks can hover, that's that Arcan is talking about, I think. Pinto's5150 Talk 23:06, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, that is what I was referring to. The Christopher Eccleston (Ninth Doctor) episode "Dalek" had a lost dalek chasing Rose up a flight of stairs. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 23:11, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
Real Daleks don't climb stairs, they level the building. Stile4aly 00:00, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
But, in time, all things are as they are!!! What do you mean, "new daleks"?????? Don't make my Doctor violate the laws of Pzhiszizks!!!! ħuman 00:48, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
The Daleks from the Revival series. Pinto's5150 Talk 00:58, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

## SNAP

Maybe its the caffeine in my brain or the whisky in my bloodstream but I am really getting fucking angry at these conservatives. Edits like this and this have now pushed me over the edge. Not even the selected ambient works of Aphex Twin can still my rising blood pressure. Obama has run a clean campaign but the fucking right-wingers are getting increasingly negative and smearing him with false muslim rumours, complaining that he neglects his half brother, calling him a socialist etc etc then have the gall to get all up in arms when he vague comment that could be construed as calling Palin a pig. Fuck I am getting irritated. You think Obama has little experience? What about G.W.Bush? You all bitch about the liberals ruining America but you have been in charge for 8 years and guess what, the place is more fucked up now than it ever was! They bitch about Jeremiah White and say nothing of Palins pastor/ And if someone brought it up the right-wing cock-knockers will bitch and moan and fucking complain. Watching O'Reilly interview Obama I felt like slapping him. "Shut the fuck Bill'O! And for your info, Liberalism DOES NOT equate to socialism!" Fuck. Ace McWickedwhisky 23:21, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

Hear, hear, AceMcW!!! ħuman 00:52, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
You do know that the 2 edits you reference are by a possible parodist and a definite parodist right? --CPAdmin1 23:37, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure Jpatt's the real deal, though Jose certainly wasn't. Nice WIGO box, by the way! --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 23:40, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
Whatever CPAdmin1, If Andy "Fuck nuts" Schlafly didnt create CP and created an account to add the gibberish he does someone would suspect him parody also. Whats the fucking difference then I ask you? And its not just CP, all those penises at Humanevents, Townhall, Foxnews etc etc etc are as bad as each other. And it has nothing to do with being an Obama supporter or not, it just poor taste from your conservative base putting Obama through the ringer but acting Holier than thou if Obama tries something similar. Ace McWickedwhisky 23:47, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
True, I do disagree with some of what Andy claims. But don't pin stuff like that on the whole conservative movement based on a few people. I haven't really heard about Palin's pastor. What is the problem there? --CPAdmin1 00:02, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Palin's pastor? Who cares? She is a fucknut YEC Dominionist Theocratist nut. Oh, you want links? Google is your friend. ħuman 00:54, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

The pastor made some unkind remarks about the Jews, claimed that those who voted John Kerry may not get into heaven, that the Iraq war was a war for christianity, that Alaska has been set aside for christians to hide during the apocalypse. Etc etc, look it up. Ace McWickedwhisky 00:09, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

I didn't see anything about jews except by a guest speaker. He said he "questioned their christianity" not that they were going to hell, and later said it was a joke. I didn't see the thing about the iraq war, could you find me a link. I also didn't see anything about alaska and the apocalypse. CPAdmin1 00:22, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Jpratt the real deal? He stunk of parodist the first time I saw him. I reckon he is going MexMax first chance he gets. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 00:06, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Honestly I think Jpatt is too nasty to be a parodist. He's a real piece of work. I remember when he and Jareddr were going at it a few months ago. Our old friend Fox thought he was a parodist though if you remember (and he had an uber secret list from the cabal[not that there is a cabal]).DamoHi 19:37, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

So why was Barack Omoron worth deleting but not Barack Odumbo? And why Black Senator Barack Obama but not Barack Osama? Why is it wrong to call him a Muslim on the deceit page but not on the Islam page or his own? DickTurpis 00:11, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Because I didn't see Barack Omoron. Because Osama could be a legitimate mistake for obama. I don't agree with calling him a muslim anywhere. --CPAdmin1 00:14, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
"Because Osama could be a legitimate mistake for obama." Only if your only source of the "truth" is Fox News. Seriously. M is nowhere near B on my keyboard - how about yours? ħuman 00:57, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Ahh....Yeah sure. CЯacke®
What are you trying to say? --CPAdmin1 00:49, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Add Helpjazz to our reader list. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 00:57, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
You see Dick this is Poe's line. The difference between fundamentalism that is funny and parody is if the person writing it believes it or whether they are just "helping out" by creating these redirects. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 00:15, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

For anyone interested - Palins Pastor hits out at Jews. Why doesnt the Obama campaign capitalise on this? Ace McWickedwhisky 01:30, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

### The big pickture

You have to understand Conservapedia's function: To move the right side of the left/right spectrum SOOOO far RIGHT that folks like McCain and Palin "seem okay" by comparison.
Once you understand that these sorts of things melt away. CP's "problem" is that they're soo far off-the-wall that even hard-core Right-wing Conservatives will soon begin to charge that CP is actually a LEFT-WING group "trying to make the right 'look bad' ". CЯacke® 00:26, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

While I am aware of this my rant came on the heels of reading a bunch of election coverage and then heading to CP which drove me insane. Ace McWickedwhisky 00:27, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
CP has become the dumping ground of all unsupported fringe element's political theories. All those nutters with an axe to grind and a webpage to spout them from are finding an audience at CP which will twist it into their encyclopedia. The whole site is now a joke with no punchline. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 00:36, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I wrote a crappy essay, that phailed, that tried to express part of what Cracker is saying. ħuman 01:00, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

## Ed's contribution =/= Encyclopaedic

Has Ed ever seen an encyclopaedia? How does this make an entry? He was doing passably well for a while a little scratchy and context-less, but then he breaks out into song. I mean does he think it adds something to the article? Give it greater meaning? He uses quotation marks both for the quote and when he is introducing a new term. I thought the point of a wiki is when you introduce a new term you can define it with a new page so it should just be a link. Oh he just makes me so mad. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 01:32, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Remember, he also wrote "drum" after I wrote "drums", and wants them "merged" (as of several months ago). ħuman 01:59, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
PS, did I mention, Ed is a "special" student? (He just doesn't know it, bear with him) ħuman 02:00, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
The difference is staggering. This my point when he writes something does he go "would this be presentable in Britannica"? I'm sure he thinks it would be. I mean "Thumping sound" come on. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 02:08, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

### It's the end of the world as we know it

Its a moot point, the LHC starts up in an hour and we are all doomed. However, my guess is that they will start it up and out will pop the Stargate SG1 team. Ace McWickedwhisky 02:09, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I'm holding out for "zombie invasion". Although "preternatural storm of cake" would not be poorly received. Pink(Astronomy Domine) 02:24, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Zombie invasion would be cool, but do we go shotgun or sword? $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 02:25, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Cricket bat, definitely ^_^ Pink(Astronomy Domine) 02:26, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Zombies? Just go Dick Cheney on em! Javasca₧ the most colourful sig on RationalWiki!
I have got it at 20 hours and counting. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 02:12, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

I had it at 7pm my time. Which is in 45mins Ace McWickedwhisky 02:14, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

"At 3:30 a.m. EDT Wednesday, scientists on the Franco-Swiss border will flip the switch on the Large Hadron Collider" Ace McWickedwhisky 02:19, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Am I still alive? RW? Check. CP? Check. Maybe they'll start the experiment a few minutes late? Editor at CPLiar at RP! 03:41, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Yup, it has begun. You are not alive, this is merely your brain caught within a quantum phase transition. Ace McWickedwhisky 03:43, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Let's use some logic. I'm dead, where am I? There is RW, that rules Hell out, as they wouldn't let you read it down there. There is CP too, which means Paradise can be ruled out too - no space for Andyland in such a perfect place as Paradise. So it's either Limbo or some interspace. But, I have both RW and CP, all that I need in my (non-) life. Whatever this is, it's much better than a desert island without internet. Editor at CPLiar at RP! 08:21, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I believe they only ran some test runs today. The actual collisions which will destroy the Earth, the solar system and the universe as we know it will happen later. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 09:41, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Of course, the over-riding moral question regarding all of this, is "do I pay my credit card this month, or not?" --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:02, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
You know, you can't take it with you. What're you going to buy in the dimension of pure energy where we'll all be flung any second now, better plasma than the Joneses down the street? --JeevesMkII 10:15, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I've just realised that in that case, I would probably BE better plasma than the Joneses down the street. --PsyGremlinWhut? 02:15, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
I wonder, how would one go about getting the "salvage rights" to the soon-to-be-defunct LHC? Could be a lucrative venture, mind the zombies from dimension VI. CЯacke® 11:19, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

### And I feel fine

Do microdot black holes cause cancer? ħuman 16:49, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Cancer that is quickly "cured" by being sucked into the seventh dimension along with its host. These egg-heads don't know what forces they're unleashing with all these "smashing-rocks-together" 'speriments. Fooles! CЯacke® 16:57, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I was wondering if our reality was sucked through a mini-black hole into a parallel existence where everything is reversed (would that make this irrationalwiki.com?). Then I checked Conservapedia, and it's as inane as ever. Same old universe. --SpinyNorman 21:32, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Ah, but will it allow the Antichrist and his UFO fleet to attack Earth? --Gulik 01:55, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

## Katy Perry

Last time I checked Santa Barbara was in the US not the UK.--TimS 01:49, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

I'd care, but that song is getting old real quick. But it's always interesting to note what percentage of the article is devoted to anti-homosexual critism rather than actual encyclopedic content. And wikipedia STILL won't let me change it's Conservapedia article to describe it as a blog rather than encyclopedia... Armondikov 09:30, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

## Sob!

As much as we lampoon Andy for his essays, it beaks my heart when an acolyte comes up with this. Even if it is parody, the fact that it remains up there, shows what kind of people we're dealing with (Girls and Boys have a different brain make-up? Yaargh!). Either they embrace this stuff, or they're so focussed on pushing their own POV, that anything else that vaguely fits their thought patterns is allow to fly. --PsyGremlinWhut? 03:36, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, without reading it, that B v. G thing is really important to these idiots. Sad to say. Can anyone figure out that Shlafly male child crisis? Girls are supposed to stay home and bake cookies, like my mummy who wrote books and made lectures.... Brain SKWEEZ! ħuman 03:44, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
In point of fact, men and women do have different brain patterns, although "makeup" seems to imply that men have an extra hippocampus or something. And in fact there are numerous examples in the research of ways in which boys and girls learn differently. However, and this is where the "lesson" they try to advance breaks down: there is little reason to believe this learning difference is intrinsic, as opposed to resulting from cultural biases.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 03:54, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Re the cookies thing, I think this Jack Chick pic is appropriate. It even looks like Phyllis Schlafly. weaseLOId~ 05:34, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
That's not her style of clothing. Though, I have yet to meet her. Silly Mr. Cat 22:00, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
It's just... So... Stupid... -Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτstand up and shout 10:29, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
This makes me more determined than ever to build a random chick tract generator. Chop the tracts up in to panels, build a network by linking panels that vaguely follow from each other, weight the edges by theme and then generate a random path biased by answers to a couple of questions. It'd be awesome. --JeevesMkII 10:40, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking about starting a Jack Chick gallery on RW (either on the Jack Chick page or separately). Just odd pictures taken out of context which are wacky enough on their own merits. Whadayareckon? weaseLOId~ 10:45, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I added one. :D -Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτstand up and shout 10:54, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Nice. weaseLOId~ 10:57, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Another one (& still from the same tract). I'll start gallerying them. weaseLOId~ 11:03, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Gallery here. weaseLOId~ 11:52, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Urgh! I know I shouldn't have, but I followed the link to the 'Lisa' tract. Oh - that is just wrong on so many levels it's scary. --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:28, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

I wonder: who in the "Liberal Myths about Education" article is a parodist, and who's sincere? Anyone care to take any guesses? Poe-try in motion... --Phentari 21:42, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

I added a bit but Karajoujou caught up with me. Ace McWickedwhisky 21:46, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Aww, darn! Looks like he edited his ban comments. I thought it was rather amusing that he plastered a name like "Cum-whatever" on the recent changes page in the name of preserving decency at Conservapedia. :) I wonder who else he'll banhammer over the article... --Phentari 21:50, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

### Barbie 101?

I do have to wonder. If "boys and girls require different teaching methods", just what sort of different methods are we talking about here? I suspect it will involve girls not getting any education outside of their Bible-assigned role as Baby Generation Units.... --Gulik 02:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

## Bugler

On top of the WIGO, it seems as if our favourite young parodist admin thug might have stuck his neck out too far - PJR is leaning on him now. --PsyGremlinWhut? 09:38, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Fortunately for young Skywalker Bugler, the Emperor Andy is painfully stoopid. Bjones 10:19, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
HelpJazz caught on quick, too, basically saying he will ignore anything Bugler tells him. Ha! NorsemanWassail! 11:02, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Strictly speaking TurdBurglar isn't an admin yet he's just a brownshirt blocker. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 12:03, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
You are indeed correct, Sir. Entry duly amended accordingly. --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:43, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Bethany began to dislike Bugler only because he blocked her chum goggles. Otherwise she wouldn't have batted an eyelid. Unfortunately for Bugler, he went a little too far this time. His nutcase/parodist career could be at risk. But he is sure to adjust his behavior as he is slimy and cunning. This is nothing he can't cure by keeping his nose in the brown spot it usually is. --Adelphos 14:07, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Poor, persecuted Bugler. Such a victim. CorryIt's an illusion, Michael! 14:26, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Ah, yes. Please don't interfere, just like all the times Bugler didn't interfere when he thought Andy or another sysop was being insulted. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 15:18, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

<--It spilt over onto LearnTogether's talk page. CЯacke® 17:02, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

The beginning of the end? --JJ4eI love ponies, I hate phonies 22:56, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
CAn't they just settle things with an merry session of fun blocks? Javasca₧ the most colourful sig on RationalWiki!
They haltingly play with them, but unlike here, where every editor with three days experience is a sysop, it's not as much fun. What they need to do is add very short time lengths to their default block list, so they use them easily. I know I get tired of typing "3 seconds", so I use the default which runs about five minutes... What they need is moar phunny!!! ħuman 00:38, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm glad to see this allowed Bugler to bail himself out of the Rp6 mess. I'm obviously not up to AmesG quality in my understanding of the subculture; I expected that cp:Neo-Cains would be destined straight for cp:Conservapedia terms, and then after that blew up, I guessed a bit of Chick-like Catholic-bashing would be the ticket... but it looks like I was wrong on both counts! (I know Mormons are off-limits as "false Christians" because of Crocoite, and I guess so are Catholics... are there any Christian denominations that are safe to hate on CP? Christian Science? Jehovah's Witnesses?) --Marty 17:15, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

## Andy and Tim

What happened here? Andy reverts all of Tim's recent reverts to potential parodist versions (and then Tim's edits to his own user page for some reason). Then Andy undoes one revert (and his changes to the user page), but not the rest of them. Did I miss something in all of this, or did Andy just get weirdly revert-happy? --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 10:28, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Revert first, ask questions later. Andy considers himself above having to give reasons for reversions. weaseLOId~ 10:35, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Above having to give reasons? I don't think Andy even has reasons to give. Reasons are not his strongest suit. Bjones 10:59, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
It's because uber cool Tim added a template saying WIGO - No explanation needed, I think? GO, TIM, GO! :D NorsemanWassail! 10:59, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) Now Andy is unblocking an obvious parodist, and I don't think it's a coincidence that Tim was the block-er. I mean, Henry, HelpJazz, and Tim - two sysops and a long-time editor - all agreed Jose was a parodist, and Andy decides the block was too long and undoes it after only three days? WTF? I guess this really does prove that all you have to do is tell Andy what he wants to here - even if you're lying - and you can get away with anything. Please, sane users of CP, take note. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 02:40, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

## Funneh

Some person made all those instrument player names, then that Conductor part was just great. Poor Bungler is unraveling. NorsemanWassail! 15:23, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Links? ħuman 16:55, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Conductor to Trumpeter, the blocks for not using firstname/lastname, the removal of the appeal to orchestral authority and his subsequent pride on the line. NorsemanWassail! 17:05, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Thanks! ħuman 22:40, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
The ghost of DoggedPersistance helped out with ninja-links. :P NorsemanWassail! 09:40, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
I did it so quickly I'm amazed you even noticed. It must have been like - POOF! - they just popped into existence magically. DogP 17:47, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

## The Bug

I've been intrigued by Bugler's behavior all day, especially his latest post. Two things get my attention. One, what the hell is the "good and decent" doing in the previous message's time stamp? Second, what are we supposed to make of "smeesge". Is that just a massacre of "message"? How can you be that cogent in the rest of your post and not notice "smeesge"? I dunno what to make of this guy. Parodist? Asshole? Sychophant? Psycho? All of the above? Bjones 15:54, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

All of the above, in that order (sorry Bugler). Editor at CPLiar at RP! 16:08, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
This is classic Bugler. "As you perceive, not everyone here likes me, for reasons I am at a loss to understand" . . . weaseLOId~

I would like to add "possibly an alcoholic" to my list above. I have no evidence of this, just my hunch that something is terribly, terribly wrong with this person. Bjones 17:03, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Bugler puts me in mind of this guy, afraid of everything, quick to shoot off either whatever (largely defensive) weapon he's packing or his mouth (but even more likely BOTH). Even money whether he's a perv to boot. CЯacke® 17:12, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
The for me, the bit that Mustela left out - "and I did think I was rather on a peak today" - is a sure sign of parody. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 17:14, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

"...blessed with issue..." vs a well-timed Darwin award? Either way it's sure to be interesting. CЯacke® 18:01, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Blisshue!! Gesundheit... ħuman 18:05, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Some things I think were particularly funny at Buglerpalooza: Bugler calls HelpJazz "HJ". HelpJazz asks Bugler not to call him that, maybe because it's also short for "handjob." Bugler seems kind of offended and piles on the florid language. A phial? Did he steal one from Gondor or something? Finally, he tells PJR that he has an encyclopedia to write with edits like this. What a funny day. I'm going to cook dinner now. CorryIt's an illusion, Michael! 18:37, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
I don't mind the initials, actually, if someone I know uses them. I just don't know the guy and he's trying to use them like he's familiar with me. JazzMan 01:36, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Given almost all his edits are on talk pages, and those that aren't are usually a character or two, I wonder when he's going to get around to writing this encyclopedia he talks about. --Kels 18:51, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

## Dark Ages

It's been around for a while, but I can't believe I've never seen this piece of tripe before. But not only is it there, but PJR is actively citing it as if that makes it the truth. I particularly like the idea that it's possible that the Middle Ages was actually quite advanced, but all technology was destroyed, all knowledge and documentation of it lost, as were all traces of an infrastructure to support it and any traces left behind afterwards. Maybe Medieval Europe had a thriving trade with Atlantis, I dunno. --Kels 19:55, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, that bit about them being highly advanced until there was some sort of Reset Button is really convenient. I don't get why they have to retcon everything so Christianity is directly responsible for everything good and nothing bad in world history.
It also reminded me of TerryH's weird essay which briefly mentioned that antediluvian society (Keyword: tiktaalik edit). Really, is this "Older civs were insanely advanced, but then managed to leave practically no evidence behind" gig some kind of fetish or meme? --Sid 21:26, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
As L. Ron Hubbard can attest, religious fiction and sci-fi/fantasy aren't all that different. --Toiretni 22:13, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
What a funny name. "L. Ron Hubbard." I'd rather be called Lafayette than L. Ron Hubbard. I assume he wasn't a normal man by any stretch of the imagination; I mean, with a name like Lafayette Hubbard who can be? MIP 22:54, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Props to interiotointeri. I admire L. Ron for Scientology. I don't admire scientologists, of course, for not realizing they got caught in a meme-trap. ħuman 00:40, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Speaking of the Dark Ages, I see there's a deafening silence over regarding LHC. No doubt they're waiting for proof of the God-particle so they can write and demand the data, machinery and write a refutation. I also see from the links above PJR is hauling out his "I reject all religions are equal" theme - as has been said, he can be a little hate machine at times. --PsyGremlinWhut? 03:16, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Ah, but it isn't "I reject all religions are equal" but "All religions are EQUAL as they're all lies. Except one. After due diligence, I have come to the rational conclusion that only BRAND X Christianity can and is indeed The One True Religion.
It's just coincidence that he happened to be born in a country where the dominate religion is Christianity. If he had been born in, say, Afghanistan, I'm sure he'd be dead by now having rejected the claims of Muhammad in favor of becoming a martyr for Jesus Christ. (For exactly the same reasons he's not an LDS. CЯacke® 12:38, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Wut? Where does Atlantis come into the picture? --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 05:00, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Atlantis? pah! what about the Mayans? Totnesmartin 05:08, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

This all comes back to Andy's "no child is greater than its parents" thing. He believes that we are all, in fact, getting less intelligent over time, that our life spans are shorter (after all, the early humans lived for a thousand years!) and that the reason is that genetic defects are passed down, never any beneficial genes. That we are devolving - and of course evolution doesn't exist! And yet, Bethany is clearly intelligent enough that she believes Bugler is a troublemaker, while Andy's considerable intellect (though less considerable that mama Phyllis, obviously) hasn't seen it yet. Bondurant 05:21, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Um. Firstly, Andy hasn't even touched this article other than to add a cat. Secondly, I think you guys may be reading a bit too much into it. I don't read it as saying that Dark Age people were "insanely advanced", just that civilization didn't die with the Roman Empire and that Christianity had a large part to play in the progress that happened during the period. None of that is wrong. Granted, their interpretation is over the top like everything else at CP, but not outrageously so. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 05:30, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
What makes the 'Dark Ages' dark is the fall in literacy. You could argue all day as to whether the Roman Empire is more civilised than what came immediately after but it was certainly more literate. Without literacy then exteligence - to steal Terry Pratchett's excellent term for shared knowledge - falls because it's harder to share. The church had a significant role in keeping the flame alive but were hardly involved in anything that might be called progress. As I heard it the only technological change was a better horse collar - hardly the thing the church would be involved with. Silver Sloth 06:09, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
The churches main role in knowledge at the time was continue transcription of old manuscripts. The concept of scholasticism thrived at the time; e.g, if it wasn't in the bible or written by one of the old Greek Philosophers it was not correct. Open Stephan Hawkins God created the integers and look at the number of mathematicians in this era, zero. Silver is correct the amount of wide spread knowledge and as a result intellectual debate with nil. As a result, no court, few parliaments and basically nothing that existed back in 300 BC. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 06:23, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
But Europe was full of God-fearin' Christians, so all was ok. Bondurant 06:26, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Gentlemen at this website: I regret to say that your comments read like a freakin' Best of Misconceptions and Assumptions About the Middle Ages. I don't really have time to correct all that, and I fear it would be hopeless anyway, but just two things: The Dark Ages are dark because we don't know anything about them, not because they were backwards, and hardly any historians ever use the term any more, anyway, because it's so loaded with misunderstandings. And secondly, $\displaystyle \pi$ 's idea of what scholasticism is about is severely lacking, and is irrelevant anyway, since scholasticism is from the High Middle Ages, not the Early MAs.
Other than that, please go read a book about the period. One written by a historian, not a physicist. Something like Chris Wickham's Framing the Early Middle Ages or Julia Smith's Europe After Rome, both (2005). --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 07:16, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
As a mathematics student at university, I did a course on the history of maths. And it is clear that in the period between the Greek fall from power up until Kepler, there were no significant advances in maths at all. In fact, the scientific method that was initiated by the Greeks was hardly used at all until Newton based the Principia on Greek methodology. Over 1500 years of non-progress due first to the Romans and then to the Catholic church, who didn't see the need in scientific progress, and then actively supressed it when it contravened doctrine. Yes, the Romans built some nice, straight roads, and I'm sure some impressive churches were built, but that's not exactly progress. Bondurant 07:26, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Oh, really? Ever heard of a guy named Fibonacci? Or Nicholas d'Oresme? --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 07:35, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Who is this "Fibonacci" of whom you speak? ħuman 15:49, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
As for the rest of your comment, I refer to my comment just above. Cheers. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 07:37, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Exactly no mathematicians in Europe, no scientist in Europe, no poetry or books (can you name any? seriously we still have Greek dramas), no courts, no doctors. The only place you found these things were in the Middle East. I can't think of a major development in Europe between the fall of Rome and the Crusade. The crusades were the best thing that happened to Europe as it brought Roman culture back to Europe. (After EC) Fibonacci's greatest achievement was spreading Arabic mathematics in Europe. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 07:39, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Here is Fibonacci's most important work were he introduced the Arabic number system. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 07:42, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
No poetry? Ever heard of Beowulf? weaseLOId~ 07:51, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Well, no obviously. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 07:56, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Fibonacci:Yes, and, you know, explained how to use it. I would imagine that explaining how to use an entirely new way of thinking about and doing maths would require a minimum of mathematical skill. It's not like he just copied a few books, you know.
As for major accomplishments, I would point out the precise calculation of Easter, which is by not means a simple matter, requiring knowledge of both maths and astronomy. Oh! But wait! I anticipate an objection: "But... but that's just Easter. Religious stuff. That's not real progressTM." To which I reply: "It's the application of skills and knowledge to solve a problem that contemporaries considered highly relevant. If that's not progress, I don't know what is." --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 07:57, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
There obviously exist some so my statement no is to strong, but we did not see the levels of intellectual achievement we saw in Greece/Rome again for several hundred years and few developments that did occur were not predominantly in Europe. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 08:00, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
I see this from a particularly British point of view but the period 500 CE to 1000 CE was a period of significant unrest with the UK being repeatedly at war and various warring factions - including Danes - fighting it out for who ran the place. The UK has a significant Roman legacy and there's plenty post 1066 but what came out of the Dark ages, one history book of dubious veracity. Ok, add Offa's Dyke to that but there's nothing to compare with Bath or Verulaneum. Silver Sloth 08:07, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Your honour, I object! "knowledge of both maths and astronomy." This from the Catholic church that imposed doctrine that the Earth was at the centre of God's universe and imprisoned anyone who dared to present evidence otherwise. Bondurant 08:11, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Silver, I take it you've never read King Alfred's paraphrase over Boethius' Consolations of Philosophy or Bede's Reckoning of Time? Or the Heliand or the Dream of the Rood? You really should. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 08:18, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
EC) I always thought the Dark Ages was the period after the overthrow of the Western Roman Empire in 476 until the late 10th century, rather than some insulting term for the medieval period, so Fibonacci is post Dark Ages. As for the calculation of Easter, is this a great advance in mathematics rather than just the application of prior knowledge? Astronomy and the calculation of solar and lunar cycles in the eastern Mediterranean has a long history. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 08:24, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

(Undent) Any ways, if science had continued at the pace of ancient Greece, uninterrupted by, you know, being decimated, then the human race would be at least 1500 years more advanced. We'd have colonised the solar system, discovered the Higgs-Boson, cured all cancer, solved the problem of world poverty and worked out where belly button fluff comes from. Bondurant 08:35, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

That's an interesting theory, but you'll have to talk to the Romans about that. They're the ones who conquered the Greeks. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 08:38, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Wikipedia "says" that the Dark ages is a reference to the lack of Latin literature of the period described by Genghis and the waffles on about a lack of written history. To summarize Pratchett; the civilized world is defined by historians as the parts of the that can support historians. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 08:41, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
No, Wikipedia says that it was a reference to that (originally by Petrach and his peers who, I might add, ran probably the most successful marketing campaign of all times). If you had read the waffle, you'd have found that it isn't used in that way any more, when at all. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 08:49, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
I always thought Saul of Tarsus got credit for "greatest marketing campaign of all time"? ħuman 15:49, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
AKJeldsen, Thanks for being a defender of Truth Justice and teh European Way! ;-) Seriously, folks, most of the rhetoric you have been taught about the DA is that, rhetoric. Don't let your hatred of things the church has done and continues to do persuade you that they 1) did no real good in teh world, and 2) made no real contributions to the area of science, knowledge and the arts. --Waiting for Godot 10:02, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
I knew his name was Jeldsen! ^_^ Yay! Pink(Astronomy Domine) 10:10, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Just trying to do my job. And I'm afraid my name is not "Jeldsen". That would mean there would also be such a first name as "Jeld" ("Jeld-sen" hypothetically meaning "son of Jeld"), which there is not. Because that would be a really silly name. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 11:57, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, AKJeldsen, if nothing else you've certainly persuaded Bugler about the achievements of the 'Dark Ages'. weaseLOId~ 10:48, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Goodness me, old bean. Are you suggesting the esteemed (though maligned at CP) Bugler is an avid reader of WIGO? I thought he'd rather quaff a phial of prussic acid than read the muck written here by liberal maggots. Bondurant 11:09, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Well, it just seems like a little bit too much of a coincidence. Also, I believe the correct term is "a file of prussic acid". Apparently. weaseLOId~ 11:15, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
I must have argued a bit too hard. A "scientific revolution" is perhaps overdoing it slightly. Or maybe Bugler is just really impressionable. (I also wonder what a "network of monastic universities" is.) --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 11:57, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Don't the scientific revolution and network of monastic universities come from the CP article which started this thread in the first place? Silver Sloth 12:00, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
I went to one of them "monastic universities", too many scientists and engineers, and not enough women. Of course we've had a reformation since then. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 12:05, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Silver: Not really. The Rodney Stark article that cp:Dark Ages quotes - apparently on the fickle basis of an excerpt, I note - does mention a "profound and rapid technological progress" in the Dark Ages, but Stark is using the term to cover the entire Middle Ages from the fall of Rome to about Columbus. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 12:18, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
So that is pretty much 1000 years of progress then? ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 14:38, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Yes, although most of it happened from the 11th century onwards. But that's what Stark's talking about. I have no idea what Bugler's talking about, and I doubt he does, either. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 14:45, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

## More Andy Smarts

I know Andy isnt the sharpest knife in the drawer but this is beyond me. Andy, shouldn't you start grading papers AFTER everyone has handed them in? You know, so they cant say - cheat? Oh but I forget, good homeskoolers dont cheat or lie, they just knock up the governers daughter. Ace McWickedwhisky 02:33, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Andy's home-schooling is over glorified (by him) SAT/college-board-exam prep classes. They are of no value to anyone other than to practise the skills they already had. The Columbus question is typical Andy, "tell me why I think Columbus was good". The only saving grace is that the stupid questions Andy asks won't be on the test so they can't embarrass themselves with his "model answers". $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 03:27, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
I'm not familiar with the US education system, but what age / level are those questions supposed to be aimed at? Are they seriously sposed to be upper high school / college entry level? weaseLOId~ 05:51, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Suppose to be; aren't. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 06:15, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
I really hope not, given the terrible grammar and appalling lack of any sort of insight displayed by the cited homework (sorry kid, it's probably not your fault your idiot parents committed you to the untender mercies of Schlafly.) I'm rather hoping the kid is about 12, all things considered. --JeevesMkII 07:39, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Ugh, worse from darling Bethany. If I didn't know better, I'd say it was a parody. Check out her answer to "How was Christopher Columbus able to navigate himself across the Atlantic Ocean on his second voyage to find the precise same location that he colonized on his first voyage?"
"Without the Lord’s guidance and involvement, Columbus may never have found his way back to the Hispaniola and the islands surrounding it." Yep, that's right kids. God navigates ships. Never mind using a quadrant to figure out your latitude. OK, the longitude problem wouldn't be solved for a couple of hundred years yet, but hardly a problem if all you need to do is keep going 'til you bump in to that fucking great land mass there out west. Andy's response? "Excellent answer!!!" The man not only needs to be kept away from children, but away from all human contact. --JeevesMkII 07:58, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Certainly God navigates ships. weaseLOId~ 09:24, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Maybe when they're finished with all of this, it might worth having the teachers on here review, assess and mark the papers themselves and then we can do a blow-by-blow analysis of how "good" his home teaching is? --PsyGremlinWhut? 09:19, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Loved this answer & response" - Christopher Columbus was a truly amazing man. His strength and determination still inspire me - over 500 years later! He never failed to persevere during hard times.

Good, but could be more detailed. "If any of my students had put that on a test, I'd have said "what the fuck does your opinion of a man have to do with showing me you know what he did, and that you understand any history at all?" (Ok, i never cussed when I graded papers, though I did often want to.) Cause there is nothing in her comment that could not be applied to any human figure in the last 20000 years. which is to say, if that is a "good answer" then I've just passed any test you could put before me. "What is two plus two" "I find 2 to be so inspirational that I amazes me it's not the single most important number in the world. It never fails to show up when a good 22 or 222 is needed!"--Waiting for Godot 10:09, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Could you reformat that a bit less sideways? It's way the hell off the page. weaseLOId~ 10:17, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
As for Psy's suggestion, I would be happy to try.... but I may have a headdesk incident a few moments after starting. However, I won't read any of the responses now so I don't bias myself... SirChuckBObama/Biden? 2012 10:31, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Personal favorite:

"Were the Puritans right to be strict and to expel people of other religions?"-No. One of the main reasons people started leaving England was for the freedom of religion, and if the puritans were going to expel people for choosing to believe what they wanted there was no reason to leave England in the first place.

Conclusion does not follow. Puritans wanted freedom for their own religion, and that doesn't mean they wanted freedom for others. (Minus 1).

This goes back to what I think is one of the greatest hypocrisies you see both in history and today: when a group wants religious freedom, they often mean only for themselves. CorryIt's an illusion, Michael! 14:51, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
From a teaching standpoint, her conclusion followed better than HIS, actually, if one were to apply real logic and not Conserv-a-logic.--En attendant Godot"«Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta. V.Nabokov» 14:55, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
<Edit conflict> It ain't necessarily hypocrisy - just part of the religious mindset. From the Puritans' perspective, theirs was the One True Faith (& the same goes for similar cases today). Believing that their own religion is the only valid one makes a clear distinction between the unjust persecution of that religion by others, & the justified persecution of others who do not follow their religion. The whole idea of religious tolerance didn't really become current until later in history. weaseLOId~ 15:01, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
The founding fathers knew their English history well, and knew New England history of course. They knew that the Puritans were a vicious lot and wrote a Constitution that protected us from them. -- -PalMD --Do I look like I care? 17:47, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
What's sad is that he actually thinks these kids are going to be ready to take the AP exam. Not a DBQ in sight. Is it worth trying to educate him for the sake of the kids? --Not organized enough to sign in.
I doubt it would cut any ice with him. Asking proper non-God-related questions about history would be giving in to the liberal, atheist, professorial agenda of the public education system. weaseLOId~ 08:29, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) I took AP US history a while back, and my teacher's questions were much more difficult than this crap- he demanded a completely different level of knowledge retention and insight. He was one of the best teachers I've ever had, and he was demanding to the point that his exams were more difficult than the actual AP exam. We did well. These homework questions are crap. Praise Columbus because of his faith and you get a pat on the back, say that the puritans were murdering bastards and you get docked. CorryIt's an illusion, Michael! 09:23, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

One of us should have enrolled in his online class. Then we could submit parody answers and watch him heap praise on them. We could have our own scoring system, 10 points for mentioning "baby Jesus", 5 for any comment about gun ownership, etc. DickTurpis 09:31, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

## LA Times

I see the person who wrote this damning praise on Conservapedia is being celebrated on the front page because she wrote some rather indifferent things about Palin. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 06:38, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

I don't think I ever read that article before (although perhaps I did... I don't remember too well) but this little gem towards the bottom "The vandalism aims “to cause people to say, ‘That Conservapedia is just wacko,’ ” said Brian Macdonald, 45, a Navy veteran in Murfreesboro, Tenn., who puts in several hours a day on the site fending off malicious editing." Would that be our own little darling KaraJujube? SirChuckBObama/Biden? 2012 11:58, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Yes he's the very same guy. Although I am not mentioned, I supplied Steph with a lot of the lulz points in the article. Even then it took them weeks to finally remove the Exxon Mobile comment. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 12:08, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Not really surprised, they ban the parodists, but then Andy himself expands and compliments their articles. That's really sad. I'd like to think that my own veiws would be harder to duplicate successufully with so little effort. SirChuckBObama/Biden? 2012 12:25, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I had a few, er, problems with the article, but hey...-- -PalMD --Do I look like I care? 17:44, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

## Plagiarism

The new Pan Arabism article seems to be completely plagarized from here and here (and probably elsewhere too).

Ahh...the trustworthy encyclopedia. Bjones 10:29, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Looks like it was pointed out to them too, but ignored. Then again, cut & paste, it's the CP way. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:37, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
I'm not sure that the Anti-Jewish section is completely fair and balanced. I do detect a slight Zionist slant. Silver Sloth 10:38, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Seems as if PJR is reading us again. --PsyGremlinWhut? 11:05, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Another thought on this - if the CP author did, in fact, write 95% (which means 5% is copied?) of the article as it appears on WP, then why did the original CP article refer to Arabism, and only now points to pan-arabism, whereas the WP article already points to pan-Arabism? Surely, the "author" would know how to title his article accordingly? Just a thought... use it... don't use it... --PsyGremlinWhut? 14:59, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
The WP article history shows two or three users made most of the edits. I haven't bothered looking which parts of the article come from which editor, but I find it hard to believe that one guy wrote 95% of it. weaseLOId~ 15:20, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
The biggest give-away is something like this: "...is still going on today [2]. Pan-Arabism..." The twit couldn't even copy the wiki-code with the references in, he's simply copy-pasted the text of the article. OI!! Wake up over there. I know this has nothing to do with Obama, so 99% of you aren't interested, but if WE can spot plagiarism, then surely Bungler and his "nose" can sniff it out. Or maybe he has a cold. --PsyGremlinWhut? 15:50, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

## Holy hot sauce

Do you see the top news story on the CP main page now? They managed not to smear Obama at all! MIP 18:13, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Small wonder: Look who added that story. JM never got the hang of smearing liberals. --Sid 19:01, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Not to worry--no doubt it will be amended soon enough, with something like, "McCain was there to mourn his murdered countrymen, while Obama honored his Muslim brothers, the hijackers."--WJThomas 20:47, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Wow, that's a great line. You win one internet. Stile4aly 15:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

## Libel

I'm not an expert on this at all. I'm sure there's a simple answer.

I'm writing a new article (coming soon to a wiki near you!), and I want to know whether there's anything dangerous about suggesting that a person's "career consists of being legal counsel for an extremist medical group".

The context is to show how astonished we are to find out that a person of such modest-seeming attainments can become a world-class expert on molecular biology, academic credentialing, medical statistics, ..... you get the idea.

Gauss 20:25, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm no legal expert either, but it sounds reasonable to me. Nobody likes being called "extremist", but the term is vague enough to be non-libelous & seems to be fairly accurate in this case. weaseLOId~ 20:40, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
May I just say this: Andy Schlafly puts gerbils in his poop-hole to give himself a boner. There. That should raise the bar pretty high for libel. If you can do better, be my guest. DickTurpis 21:52, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Truth is an absolute defence against charges of libel. Which means DickTurpis is playing it safe there. --Marty 22:33, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Um, may I say that the true story is that Andrew Schlafly (linked for SEO) has homskollars insert rodents into his rectum to increase his sexual pleasure? Is that libel? Or the fucking truth. Deny it in public, I say. ħuman 23:07, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
TEACH THE CONTROVERSY! --Kels 23:14, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Weasel words were invented for these cases. NightFlarei haz a talk page. 23:29, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

### This is libel

I'll show you how it's done! Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:15, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Yup. ħuman 23:17, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
OK, wait. Libel vs. slander - one is speech, the other is print. Which the fuck is which? I still maintain that Andrew Schlafly has homskollars push rodents up his ass. (define "homskollars", oh, ye judge?) ħuman 23:19, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Libel is print. And the rodents are gerbils. He could never fit a capybara up there. DickTurpis 23:20, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
I must admit, it is telling that Andrew Schlafly has not come out publicly to deny these serious accusations. --Kels 23:21, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
I have seen absolutely no evidence to refute these accusations. It is much like a confirmation. DickTurpis 23:27, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Andrew, when did you stop having your homskollars insert rodents into your rectum for sexual pleasure??? ħuman 23:54, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
If you say something like "assfly is a pedophile", you are making a statement of (alleged) fact...if you say that he is the counsel for an (extremist) medical group, well, he is their counsel so it's truthful, and the "extremist" is simply an opinion (a correct one...)...IANAL tho.-- -PalMD --Do I look like I care? 23:39, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Truth is always a defense. tmtoulouse frustrate 23:55, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
In my defense, when I said "Andy", I could have meant any of the millions of Andys in the world. Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 00:46, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
In my offense, I meant Andrew Schlafly, son of Phyllis Schlafly. If that isn't clear enough I'll get a photocopy of his birth certificate. ħuman 00:56, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Don't you mean alleged birth certificate? Seems to me that any such item listing Phyllis as his "mother" would have to be a fake--no man would (willingly) stick his cousin into that dried-up old sack.--WJThomas 08:13, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Also, the party bringing the suit has to be able to show that the libel had an effect on their reputation. It needs to be believable. -Lardashe

### Libel? This is SPARTA!

That is all. --JeevesMkII 08:46, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

### THIS ISN"T SPARTA!!

I'm lost... someone get out the map...Javasca₧ the most colourful sig on RationalWiki!

## Wow

Shit like this makes me sad. I'm too lazy to add it to them main page (or create an account). 72.204.12.22 00:01, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Isn't it sad when Andy's homskollars are accidentally smarter than he ever will be? At least this student is honest in applying Christian values. Luckily, Andy corrects her... ħuman 00:54, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Wait... 7 questions... 70 marks... and an answer like "William Penn turned what seemed like an impossible dream into a wonderful reality. Although many people came to America in search of religious freedom, no one really took the initiative to organize a society that would work. Through founding Pennsylvania, William Penn succeeded in this remarkable way." scores 10????? I might give 1 for saying Penn founded Pennsylvania (Did he? Or was it named after him?), but where are the "facts" (or 'andys' - something which substitutes for facts in his world) that warrant 10 points? I think I'll get a head start on SirChuck... *headdesk*
If I was a parent presented with this drivel, I'd hit the roof. --PsyGremlinWhut? 01:38, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Some part of me wants to believe that all the kids in the class know it's trash, and are just stringing Andy along for an easy mark. --Kels 15:11, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Having had my share of highschool students, may I just say, this is not likely a real student. Her sentence structure and grammar are at odds with the "naivety" she displays in her answers. And oddly mature verbage pops up now and then that I'm jsut not guessing is part of "humskool" studi--En attendant Godot"«Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta. V.Nabokov» 18:56, 12 September 2008 (EDT)es.

## Andy's on a roll tonight.

And check prev and later diffs.

"...he defiled the most peaceful and forgiving religion ..." That would be Andy's? Oh, my head hurts. ħuman 01:18, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

I still love how he dodged the fact that the Qur'an was desecrated as well even though in his previous statement he said no other religion was attacked. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 01:40, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
I WIGOd that (PJR reality check), and NightFlare fixed it for me... oops. ħuman 01:44, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

## Conservative

Ok now to figure out how to reach through the computer and smack him after the newest evilution edit --BoredCPer 03:52, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

PS The picture and the quote is also on the front page that he is slowly taking over
Maybe someone should use that same picture of Hitler on the Catholic page. And the Germany page. Do they have an article on moustaches? Hitler had one of those! Bondurant 05:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
And on the Austria page, and the painter page and ESPECIALLY on the gun page. --JeevesMkII 08:43, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Evil mustaches.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 10:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Good work, Tom. You win 800 internet points! :-) Bondurant 10:07, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

(undent)That mustache article is major lulz. Also, I just now actually bothered to read Ken's evolution article. I've graded a lot of freshman philosophy papers and I can still say its is one of the biggest piles of pseudo-intellectual bullshit I've ever read. Como se dice "Non-sequitur" in conserva-speech?Bjones 11:02, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

"Someday I will invent a device that will allow me to send a shock to other computer users and fry their computer. I will make billions." (I forget who said that quote) NorsemanWassail! 11:09, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

That's an interesting edit. Good to know that the last remaining shread of dignity has been removed from that article. Armondikov 11:20, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Oh, come now Norseman. Surely you're familiar with the classics? "Whenever a programmer thinks, "Hey, skins, what a cool idea", their computer's speakers should create some sort of cock-shaped soundwave and plunge it repeatedly through their skulls." "I am fully in support of this proposed audio-cock technology." --JeevesMkII 12:05, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

## Oh Dear

When LearnTogether leaps aboard the crazy wagon with assumptions like this, one can only hope he does more harm than good to CP's cause. --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:37, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

I think that quotation is an example of Obama's ignorance of US history, much like how he thinks there are 57 states and that only one bomb dropped on Pearl Harbor! CorryIt's an illusion, Michael! 09:33, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
LearnTogether is actually just being ignorant in this example; it's a common mistake. See, the convention in America is that a former President is generally still referred to as "Mr. President," although it is rather less common to see it spelled out the long way. It is a sign of respect. LT is probably unaware of this, like many other people.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 09:57, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
No, I think LT is aware of the convention but contrasts Obama's lack of respect for the sitting President with deference to former Presidents via the convention of addressing ex-presidents by their title not their name.
The "interpretation" has been removed and those who "didn't know" it was meant tongue-in-cheek should buy, rent or steal a sense of humor. Added lulz is gotten by not bitching about these attempts at humor as the thing would have STILL been there come erection day, most probably, as it was added by a sysop and any attempt to remove it would have been met with revision and blocking(s) of the "vandals". But it's too late now. CЯacke® 14:34, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Interesting. While the article is laughable, I didn't even consider a non-wandal/non-parodist trying to intentionally make it funny. CorryIt's an illusion, Michael! 17:19, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

## Can you spot the hidden message?

I know it's completely immature, but what the heck. Johann 16:30, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

That's teh funneh all right. I love how creative the vandalism at CP is sometimes. Well done whoever you are! DogP 16:34, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Bravo! Well-played! Sandman 16:36, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Class. Totnesmartin 16:41, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
I offer my hearty congratulations at the supreme use of ironic humor (a very intricate system for a low class insult) and throw the prep a free Penguin in response. SirChuckBObama/Biden? 2012 16:44, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Nice. But watch them delete and recreate the first 9 pages, because that's the way Conservapedia fixes things. --Toiretni 17:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
It is a truly beautiful thing - saved for posterity at Image:CreativeVandalism.jpg Silver Sloth 17:54, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Aw, shucks. Very kind of you all to say so. Although I must, out of principle, protest against calling it vandalism: all Mr. Spell did was to make a serious of uncontroversial edits to various articles, correcting minor errors of spelling and punctuation. If you choose to see faces in the clouds... well, that's entirely your own business. Johann 18:12, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

<--Brilliant. I wish I could claim this one but I cain't. CЯacke®

Ok can someone please help this drunk idiot out? I have had a few to many to see it I guess :( --BoredCPer 18:45, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
A is for Ad Hominem. S is for Series. C is for Christianity. If you don't get it tonight, have another look at it tomorrow. weaseLOId~ 18:55, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Damn it I did that I just started at Denmark and worked up --BoredCPer 19:07, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
That was truly fantastic work. I love the subtler irony that an editor could be sure to find plenty of mistakes to correct in order to complete the task. ħuman 19:10, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
I confess it took me a while to figure it out (thanks for the hint) - very nicely done and probably impossible to remove too? (those more versed in the wayz of the wiki are allowed to beat me and point out my potential error in that last statement).Johann - you rock! Ah - i see we can add CPAdmin/Tim to our list of avid readers.--PsyGremlinWhut? 01:53, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
That was genius. Seriously, it's pretty amazing. Also, why was he banned? 'You corrected spelling mistakes and typos, and we don't like the order you corrected them in'? Now what, somebody who edited 'Siberia', 'South Ossetia', and then 'Amsterdam' would get banned?
o/ Mr. Spell.
-Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτstand up and shout 03:17, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
It was interesting. Helpjazz wasn't sure if it was a blockable offence, but CPAdmin1 certainly was. Dammit, Tim! Where's your sense of fun? I'd love to get one of my socks to ask Tim why Spell got banned (or better yet, alert the Dear Leader himself), but I don't want to "out" them. Johann 04:29, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Ha! Now it looks as though Tim may have been trying to erase the evidence by deleting and restoring France, but it ain't working... Johann 06:17, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Soon on a monitor near you - a new reason for blocking, "Correcting spelling in a suspicious manner". That's the last time my sock asks to have its spelling checked. let's see who's awake over there --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:45, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Aschlafly is on top of it now, though. It's still funny that instead of just moving cp:The Human Genome Project to cp:Human Genome Project, he deleted the entire page and re-created it sans history at the same incorrect title. That got it off MrSpell's contributions list, though. And cp:France got the same treatment. Still, I agree: Aschlafly is a toal ucktard. --Marty 00:24, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

## Beautiful

This has got to be Andy's best grading yet. 88.108.196.194 16:58, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Holy crap, I don't know what's funnier. That an honours pre-college student seriously wrote "That he learning how to be a captain at age 10," or Andy giving him a 96% (presumably an A+) for the damn thing. --Kels 17:02, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Check this one out. On question TWO on the bottom we find the budding scholar opining:"I find this very inspiring. In our day of 'relative truth' and tolerance for all beliefs it is easy to be passive in our ideas and believe only in opinions, not in truth. Yet this is so wrong. Like Columbus, we should let our beliefs define our lives."
So long as they are the correct beliefs, here meaning, (of course), Conservative beliefs, which, (in turn) is EVERYTHING on CP. CЯacke® 17:20, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
How old are these kids? It seems they vary in age considerably, though the youtube video seemed to show a group that appeared to be 14ish. Anyway, I think Andy might be getting a lesson in why wikigrading isn't a good idea, in that it's bad form to give a student a public dressing down for poor work, but since all his grading is so public either has to do that or hyperinflate grades. I guess we can see which route he's decided to take. Seems a bit patronizing though. I made a comment above that some of us should have enrolled online and submitted parody answers. I'm thinking maybe someone did. DickTurpis 17:25, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Is someone saving all these? ħuman 19:11, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Andy missed a misspelled word on #30's H5 answer. :P ħuman 19:13, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Seriously now, what's up with this? "Gap in answers ? What sort of class is he running, anyway? --Kels 22:10, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

...A class based on conservative values, I guess? A parody class, perhaps? Either way, I don't see how somebody writing those answers deserves anything more than 10% unless they're in Kindergarten or something. On the other hand, why write much when you can get 96% with answers like that? -Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτstand up and shout 03:25, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Those poor kids. They'd better start learning to say "D'you want fries with that?" if that's the education they're getting. Is it really legal to miseducate children in America? It's frightening that any idiot can set up a school and teach utter crap.Totnesmartin 05:07, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Well, with answers like that you don't run the risky of exceeding Andy's attention span causing him to dismiss your answer as the liberal fluff it is. NightFlarei haz a talk page. 05:19, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
McDonalds? That's a LIBERAL INSTITUTION! They do not practice PORTION CONTROL! -Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτstand up and shout 05:55, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Portion Control? Now there was a good band... 06:05, 13 September 2008 (EDT) Totnesmartin

## JohnI...

Well, looks like he have a little homophobia flying around. How much longer untill he becomes sysoped? Javasca₧ the most colourful sig on RationalWiki!

A while yet, given that he was blocked for it. That did surprise me. After all, the edit comment was made while he reverted a vandal's edits. I thought at most he'd get a warning along the lines of 'we agree with the spirit of what you said, but tone it down a bit'. weaseLOId~ 19:20, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
I don't want to go against my word. I couldn't warn him since I blocked myself. A "1-day" warning block works for everyone else, why not him also? Silly Mr. Cat 15:18, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

## PNAS

My wording was going to be, "PNAS to Andy: You're a moron. Andy's response will come once someone explains the big words to him." But I was beat to the mark fairly, so no harm. --Kels 21:38, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

I stuffed it into the Lenski affair artikle. ħuman 21:58, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Woo! I hit the big time! --Kels 22:08, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Sorry if I stole your thunder by posting it first....PFoster 22:10, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Funny, everyone over there is all rilled up about it. They actually think its a conspiracy of some kind. Idiots. Anyone with a sock wanna mention Chemtrails as a liberal plot to subjugate the conservatives? Ace McWickedPeople Are Strange 22:18, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

It's not that they're riled up about it, I doubt most of them care. But it's an easy way to curry favour with the boss to pretend it's a big affront to The Truth. --Kels 22:28, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

I love the letter. In short;

Dear Mr Schlafly,
Yours Sincerely,
PNAS Editorial Board.

What have we been saying all along. Schlafly Statistics: Now endorsed by National Academy of Sciences. $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 22:23, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

I also love the fact that Assface continually claims conspiracy theories are liberal however here he has created his own, far reaching conspiracy. Ace McWickedPeople Are Strange 22:28, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

That's gotta get added to the article. --Kels 22:27, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
PNAS PWNS!!!! --JJ4eI love ponies, I hate phonies 22:38, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
'k, been gone a lot, but Jpatt...pdrost, no? If not, the funniest Poe in a while.-- -PalMD --Do I look like I care? 22:51, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Awesome! PWNED AGAIN! Ace McWickedPeople Are Strange 23:13, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Revert and 90/10 block in 5,4,3,... $\displaystyle \approx$ $\displaystyle \pi$ 23:15, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
The annoying thing tho, is that in Andy's world it's still a win - they wouldn't publish my Truth, ergo I am right. Blocks and reverts will be employed to keep that Truth pure and wholesome. Hopefully the blogger community has their hands on the reply and is spreading the word far and wide. --PsyGremlinWhut? 02:01, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Altering talk page is a big no-no in wiki world, but in Andyland if your talk comments are above a certain ratio they no longer count and can be removed. He clearly has no interest in an encyclopedia and instead is just running an editable blog. $\displaystyle \approx$ ${\displaystyle \pi }$ Mowse 02:39, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
I think that Andy is actually being too moderate here. Forget the raw data, that's too easily falsifiable. He should send Conservapedia samples of the preserved E. Coli. -Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτstand up and shout 04:15, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
"Hopefully the blogger community has their hands on the reply and is spreading the word far and wide." No worries, we're on it. -Drek
So how long until PZ Myers gets a post up, I wonder? --Kels 13:05, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) Not too long, I'd say. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 02:26, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Is it me or are they blocking hard at the moment. Infinite blocks for inappropriate names, HenryS seems to think the ACLU is after him (possible for block abuse). Are they trying to shield Andy's already fragile ego. ${\displaystyle \approx }$${\displaystyle \pi }$ 23:07, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

### Random Schlafly brilliangism

"Thanks, Jpatt. One additional beauty of the truth is that it remains the truth no how much some deny it. PNAS can deny its errors all it likes, but that doesn't change the fact they are errors."

His edit has survived him removing a later comment. Just in case anyone wants to use it at WIGO or ASSfly/no jokes, or wherever. ħuman 02:06, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

I hope some of his students are paying attention to his grammar so they can have some fun the next time he gets on one of them about a typo haha --BoredCPer 02:34, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
It is lovely how PNAS is censoring Andy but removing comments from a talk page isn't censoring. ${\displaystyle \approx }$${\displaystyle \pi }$ Mowse 02:41, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
And now two parodists editors egg Andy on to greater heights of stupidity. This can only end in tears lulz. I bet not a single senior sysop posts to that talk page... just parodists and toadies. --PsyGremlinWhut? 06:00, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Is there a difference? I honestly can't think of a single toady I don't strongly suspect of being a parodist. --Phentari 10:18, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Hey, it just struck me. His obsession with Chivalry, his tilting at windmills "BIG SCIENCE". His incipient insanity and refusal to face the harsh light of reality. Schlafly is Don Quixote Jr. --JeevesMkII 10:30, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Hmmm thou hast a point there. Especially now that only "positive" (i.e stroke Andy's bruised ego) comments are allowed (I thought Toffeeman raised some good, reasonable points, but clearly Andy disagreed). Yup, we'll see the parodists flocking there to goad Andy into showing his Representative/Congressman what a jerk he is... or even better, using mummy's money in a court case... hell, I'd buy a plane ticket to see Andy get pwnd in court. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:37, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Will you bring some popcorn? Pink(Astronomy Domine) 10:40, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Heh. Now I'm imagining the rationalwiki gallery rustling their crisp packets and sniggering at the back of our little knight errant's law suit. Schlafly would be there dressed up to the nines, asking all the defence witnesses where they stand on school prayer until the judge has him disbarred and banged up for contempt of court. It'd be hilarious. --JeevesMkII 10:48, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

I can see it now, Andy decides to try and raise money for the lawsuit and then finds out that RW will give him more money just so we can come and laugh then he can get from his own blog --BoredCPer 11:01, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) Ye gawds, it's so obvious. Oh, that has GOT to be the opening for the musical. My pen, Sabu, there's composing to be done! --Phentari 11:15, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

So what are we talking, using a trial as a framing technique, or as the finale? --Kels 11:21, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Ahhhh, Conserque du Soleil. Look at our puppets dance! Fwahaha! NorsemanWassail! 11:53, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Shouldn't we amend the front page to have a direct link to Lenski affair under the 'Conservapedia portal'? --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:35, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
This pretty much sums it up. CorryIt's an illusion, Michael! 16:50, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Gads, that "truth" thing again. I wonder how many labs Andy has lined up for rerunning the experiment?--Neon 18:39, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

## American History Homework "Model" Answers

Aschafly has now collated the 'best'(?!) answers to the homework assignment here. I think pride of place goes to JoeB's assertion that the settlers of Jamestown were "too lazy to actually work". weaseLOId~ 12:01, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Now THIS is a page that deserves to be saved on RW in table format, with commentary next to each answer Andy consider to be "Model". I'd also add an extra column to show Andy's score/comment from the original submissions. I'd only hope that any parent considering signing their kids up for this class get to read this. --SpinyNorman 13:19, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Good idea. weaseLOId~ 13:26, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Answers copied here. --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:29, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Can probably use the same format as the Conservapedia: Atheism article. (Paper scores could go in brackets somewhere or in footnotes rather than a separate column). I've got a few comments to add when the formatting's set up. weaseLOId~ 13:36, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
I like how some American colonies failed because of socialism. 74.7.166.234 14:30, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
That's a good one, but my current favorite is the Columbus-found-his-way-back-with-God's-help" answer. I'm surprised she didn't photoshop the "Jesus and Sailor" pic Ed Poor uses on his page to replace the kid's face with Columbus. Extra-extra credit if she had submitted that as a "historical re-enactment". --SpinyNorman 15:25, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
You have to wonder what these 'socialistic' farming practices were. -Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτstand up and shout 02:07, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

## Are fish living?

PJR is one of the smarter ones there but every now and again you have to laugh at the things he say "The Bible defines living things as those that breath air through their nostrils." Does this make fish the undead? --BoredCPer 18:31, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

More importantly, doesn't that mean an unborn child...isn't actually a living being??" --Kels 18:36, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Must be one of those librul bits of the Bibble. --Robledo 19:37, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
As far as I can tell (& admittedly this is from a Google search rather than a thorough knowledge of the Bible), PJR is referring to Genesis 7:22, which says that the creatures who perished in the Great Flood were those "in whose nostrils was the breath of life". I.E. This is a definition of creatures which can drown in water, not as PJR claims a definition of "living things" as a general category. weaseLOId~ 19:51, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Again, I have to shake my head at the wonder of the thing. How can a person at one time be so reasonable and at another so unthinkingly stupid? Hey, it eats, it shits, it locomotes and it reproduces but the bible says it ain't alive so that's good enough for me. GAH! (Also, this whole crazy wages of sin are death, so before sin nothing died including animals, so everything was a herbivore argument pisses me off royally. Why the hell do fundies insist on this nonsense? It isn't just indefensible, it's unnecessary. Surely a little bit of special pleading along the lines of "that shit only applies to organisms capable of sin" would get them off the hook far better than this? The alternative is to believe that the sin of humans not only transferred to their children unto the nth generation, but also to animals who are ENTIRELY FUCKING INNOCENT AND HAVE NO POSSIBLE WAY OF REDEEMING THEMSELVES. Jesus tittyfucking christ but I hate religion!) --JeevesMkII 20:01, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Jeeves, calm down! You can't afford an aneurysm at your age! Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 01:35, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Breathe in.
Breathe out.
Breathe in.
Breathe out.
Are you feeling calmer now? Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 01:35, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Breathe, breathe in the air.
Don't be afraid to care.
Leave, don't leave me.
Look around and choose your own ground.

Peach in, green out. Ace McWickedThis Talk Page is growing rapidly 01:37, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

## Vandalised talk page

Check out [1]. Some one managed to insert "insulting" comments about Conservapedia's founder. I was wondering if this incident belongs in the article. 85.214.73.63 23:08, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

(edit conflict) mmm yeah normally we try for something a little more creative or at least a bit funnier --BoredCPer 23:13, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
No, because it's something that happens pretty frequently and doesn't really have any style or creativity at all. In other words, boring as hell. --Kels 23:11, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Yeah I think I have said similar things to Andy myself in the past, this is nothing new. Ace McWickedPeople Are Strange 23:30, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Boring... and trivial, yah. ħuman 00:58, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Yah. Or in South Africa, "Ja". Those crazy Saffa's! What'll they think of next! Ace McWickedPeople Are Strange 01:27, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Wait...I can do this... "Izzit, hey? You blerrie rooinek. I can like to fink of lots of stuffs. Just lets me put on my jeanpant and gooi an brandy an' coke and I are ready for the days - don't blerrie mess wif me - times are few." --PsyGremlinWhut? 02:07, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Issit? Nice one bruu, I kinda like you affricaans speak, is lekker my bruu. Ace McWickedThis Talk Page is growing rapidly 05:12, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

## Why does everything have to come back to Hitler?

Why? CorryIt's an illusion, Michael! 01:18, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Why do people climb Mt. Everest? Because it's there. Why do people violate Godwin's Law? Because they can. Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 01:29, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
The real answer is because, regardless of the utter stupidity of the vast majority of Conservapedians (not to mention much of the population at large) Ken Demeyer is one of the least intelligent people on the planet. His utter inability to construct even the most simple of logical statements (and I mean basic statements. Given "if A then B", Ken would likely draw the conclusion "if W then X, Q, ®, ∑, , and ¥") renders him utterly useless for anything short of complete mockery. I assume he earns his meager living as some sort of mascot for the severely mentally handicapped, or dunking booth inhabitant. DickTurpis 01:41, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
He probably makes a living living in his parents basement. Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 01:47, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Hitler is the poster boy for 'Intelligent Design', then? -Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτstand up and shout 01:51, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Better, I think. Isn't ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer the very definition of what it is to be a Christian? --JeevesMkII 03:36, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
As long as you're "defining" religions, you prick, why don't you slander my family and give us the definition of Jews? Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 04:24, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Ugh. Is it necessary to put a smiley at the end of every sentence so people like you can recognise a joke when they see one? --JeevesMkII 04:29, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Yes. As an antitheist, anything you say that can be interpreted as critical of religion is completely in-character for you. Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 04:43, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
In my experience, the best way to make sure people recognize a joke is to make one that is actually funny. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 04:57, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
"What's the best thing about having sex with twenty-one year olds? There's twenty of them." "You monstrous paedophile!" --JeevesMkII 05:06, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
You're disgusting. Why don't you slander my family and have sex with Jews, you prick? (Geddit? 'Prick'?) -Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτstand up and shout 05:10, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Haha, yes. Hey, you know what? I think all non-Christians are filthy, reprobate sinners who will burn in hell-fire for all eternity to pay for their transgressions against God. Oh wait, just joking. Hahahahahahahah! ... Ha...? --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 05:11, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
"Pedophile" is out of character for you, so my point still stands. Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 05:13, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
RA, would you calm down? I knew it was a joke :P
And anyway, we must put the issue of religion to the side for the moment, otherwise we might have no hope of bringing this awful paedophile Jeeves to justice Pink(Astronomy Domine) 05:13, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
ROFLMAO! Did you hear the one about the Priest and the dog? I mean... Burn the PAEDO! BURN! -Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτstand up and shout 05:17, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Damn! Busted! Call the Peado finder general! --JeevesMkII 05:21, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Conservapedia's target audience only recognizes four historical figures: Jesus, Reagan, Hitler, and Darwin. It's just a lack of options.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 06:46, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

And Christopher Columbus. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 06:50, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Columbus was merely a sock of Ronald Reagan. ThunderkatzHo! 11:56, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Hitler is the Satan of the modern age. The easiest way to demonise a person or an opinion is to associate them with Hitler in some way. weaseLOId~ 06:53, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
That's exactly the kind of argument Hitler would make. CorryIt's an illusion, Michael! 09:39, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Your sense of humour closely resembles Hitler's... -Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτstand up and shout 11:20, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Hitler had no sense of humour - he was German. weaseLOId~ 11:50, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
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## No need to shout

Joaquin must have just discovered the joys of caps lock, or really wants to draw attention to his new cut & paste fest, AMERICAN PAINTING.[2] So much for naming conventions. And i love the "In process..." at the top of the page. --PsyGremlinWhut? 08:14, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I like how he did more than fifteen edits before realizing this "typo". Image added for emphasis of the WTF. --Sid 08:35, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
And somebody actually starts to edit in an article Joaquín "Everything the JM touches is his kingdom" Martínez owns. This can only end in tears. --Sid 08:40, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Someone needs to add some decidedly non-paintings to that article (sculpture, photographs, whatever) then defend it with tenacity. DickTurpis 09:50, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

## Anybody know...

...anything about this little oddity? http://devil.wikia.com/wiki/Conservapedia. Thanks to CP's talk page for bringing it to my attention.

Oh - it's Sunday - we'll need to keep an eye on Andy's "I'll just been to church and now I've self-flagellated my sins away, so I can be extra mean" mode. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:17, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

It doesn't seem to be much of a Wiki at the moment, just a few pages of satire. The 'internal links' on that page don't link to anything. weaseLOId~ 10:45, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Call the FBI! alt 12:59, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

## From Wigo 295

"...prompting Andy to unzip..." Umm, I hope you're talking about de-archiving.
If not, while I do understand about "otherizing" please refrain from suggesting these folks play on MY team.
Thank you. CЯacke® 12:45, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Actually, the intent was that the battle with evil liberals gets Andy all hot and bothered, and he has to, uh, alleviate the pressure, not that he wanted Bugler to play his horn.--WJThomas 14:55, 14 September 2008 (EDT)