RationalWiki:Chicken coop/Archive127

Unclescrooge

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A walking behavioral violation. Constantly trolling and was given far too many chances, like it's fucking ludicrous to see patience we've displayed here. For instance this user deserved to be put swiftly in vandal bin and was let off quickly because the user incessantly begged, on terms and conditions which user violated immediately and got put back in the bin, which the removal of binning in the first place was a really poor display of judgement. Not to mention the disruptive pinging abuse, the gif abuse, the horrific quality posts and edits, the attempts to coop other users for frivolous reasons (which he has done right after Christopher made the mistake of undoing my block on him and made the coop before I even posted this comment; I'm exasperated also at Christopher, who has frequently undo/reduce blocks on this obvious troll), attempts to permaban other users, regularly personally attacks other users; there's a goddamn laundry list of violations but apparently I need to give him a warning to stop, and blocking for more disruptive comments is too severe. I'm now motioning mods for a long term block of 22 days minimum, but preferably a permaban. You can turn this into Chicken Coop if you need to, if mods disagree how to proceed, but I rather go through a coop with this troll than put up with this patience comedy act any longer. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Coup Unclescrooge. He's abusing the coup process. I've had enough of that shit. In fact, I'll go ahead and do it myself. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 23:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

[EC]It wasn’t a mistake, like I said in the unblock message it gave him a chance to actually do something wrong. I seem to find him a lot easier to ignore than most people, and think he was treated too harshly initially when he wasn’t such an obvious troll, but I’d also support an extended block. I say 3.14 months and go from there, but won’t vote against a permaban. Christopher (talk) 23:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@PanGalacticGargleBlaster scrooge is a complete nobody; we can vote to ban him here, please don’t start a coop case over some trolling. Christopher (talk) 23:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

No problem, we can discuss this here. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 23:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

In situations like this, it helps to ask the question "what are we losing if we sanction the user in question?" I would like people to consider that before they start defending scrooge, at least.-Flandres (talk) 23:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

He's been PMing me on Discord begging to unblock him and spamming his stupid Mario videos. I'm tired of this kid's bullshit. Rockford the Roe ^{boop my snoot}_{praise Oscar Wilde} 23:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Has Scrooge made any constructive mainspace edits? Bongolian (talk) 23:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I'd favor a ban of π months (at a minimum) for egregious violation of the community standards, trying to coop anyone who upsets him, and making no worthwhile contributions here at all. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 23:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

(Edit conflicy) My deeming it as a "mistake" is not a literal mistake but my own exasperated judgement strongly disagreeing with yours, and my feeling correct when letting blocked would've prevented scrooge from further disruption. Perhaps there's silver lining that the unblocking also was a final straw for me and maybe something could be done, but this back and forth (which you might see as my actions as being too aggressive while I see yours as too accomodating) is tiring me. Apologies if I came off as abrasive. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

(STOP GETTING INTO EDIT CONFLICTS WITH ME!!!) Flandres, I created the page on Red Eagle Politics. Christpher, I'm NOT a nobody!! Unclescrooge (talk) 23:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

No need to apologise, I take most of the blame for any conflict. I do stand by my earlier defence of him but lately it’s mostly just been stubbornness (and frustration at the often flimsy block justifications, given how easy it is to wait for actual block-worthy edits). Christopher (talk) 23:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Personally I think these discussions should be about how much you’ve done wrong, not what you’ve done right, but he’s made less than 50 mainspace edits and none of them were very good. Christopher (talk) 23:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Wow, amazing resume, Unclescrooge. What will the wiki do without a page on some blogger that's been in draft zone for over a month, that time better spent on article improvement than wasting other people's time with you?

Christopher, I do believe what he has done is blockworthy, just for disruption. Benefit of doubt is zero so in turn, bar for him getting blocked for disruption is also really low. That's how I saw things. I can see your way, I believe but I don't agree. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

UncleScrooge's primary reason for being here is to be disruptive. His behaviour hasn't improved in spite of the multiple short term blocks and other small punishments he has received. He's going to get banned eventually. We might as well do it sooner rather than later. Spud (talk) 00:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I would tolerate, even welcome US if he were original, funny or interesting at trolling. But he's just boring and tedious. I say we get rid of him. 主要行事月 (talk) 01:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

As noted in the coop, I support any punishment for Scrooge that looks like it could have enough support to pass. Bongolian (talk) 02:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Well @Unclescrooge, let me explain what you are doing wrong: everything. You are an embarrassment to the small community of virtuous trolls here on the wiki. Going to the CC to "coop ban" members in better standing than yourself makes you appear to be an idiot. LGM is one of the most even tempered editors on the site, and you managed to antagonize them. To what end? And funny? No chance of that. As has been pointed out, you are a froward contributor. UncleKrampus (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I’d go up to a pi months block. I wouldn’t vote for a permaban, but this user is annoying enough that I also wouldn’t vote against it. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 06:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I too am bored with the constant coop-trolling and grovelling. At this stage I'd support a short (pi week/month) block, and would support a much longer block if this was to continue afterwards . --RWRW (talk) 06:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I say a 3.14 week block, with talk page access revoked so it is paid in full. If disruption insues after that, perm block.Gale5050 (talk) 12:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Definitely agree on revoking talkpage access, given how he uses it. It’d be good if people could make that clear when voting. There’s no rule saying you can’t state your opinion but remember you can’t vote as your account isn’t old enough. Christopher (talk) 12:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I did block Scrooge initially for 3 weeks, then 3.14 weeks (as per RW tradition), only to realise that you were cooping him for the purpose of a block, which I didn't realise at the time. Sorry for my mistaken block, I'll try and avoid making this mistake in the future. Harry Potter (talk) 12:38, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I vote Aye to cooping Unclescrooge, as there he clearly has a case to answer. Harry Potter (talk) 12:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

He’s already been cooped, and you don’t get a vote on how long he’s blocked for. See RW:CS#Franchise. Christopher (talk) 12:47, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

As for talk page access, I say revoke it. What would he use it for anyway? For the purpose of appealing the ban? But who would hear such an appeal, let alone unblock him anyway? I say if he wants to appeal, let him email the blocking admin. Otherwise, it should be revoked, or at the very least revoked at the first sign of trouble. I didn't know that, for the record is your claim that my account is younger than 3 months or that it does not have 75 edits? Either way I'm pretty sure you're mistaken, I am an eligible voter as both of those apply to me. Harry Potter (talk) 12:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Assumed your account was new because you only recently became active, my mistake. Christopher (talk) 13:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

That's correct, I technically created this account around September last year (so more than 3 months ago) but I took a long LANCB shortly after. Then I returned to RW quite recently. So I can understand, it's fine. :) By the way sorry about the my mistake in updating the status to the wrong one, I didn't know what HCM 4 meant but that's still my mistake. Harry Potter (talk) 13:21, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Can verify. There first edit was on 24 September 2020. But I didn't welcome them until May 12 though. Meanwhile my first was on 28 March 2021, so I will be eligible in a month. Gale5050 (talk) 14:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Ping me when it's time for a vote, I can't be arsed to care beyond that. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 15:14, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

About the length of the block, most people above seem to support months. I'd also vote for 3.14 quarters of a year if that's an option, but would probably be neutral to years and to permanent. I mention this because I haven't seen a more moderate length above 3.14 months mentioned yet. (My current reasoning: Maybe Unclescrooge may change in time, but if it happens, I think it will probably take more than a few months.) --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 16:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

In most coops, I only see the following block increments offered-pi-days, pi-weeks, pi-months, and permablocking.-Flandres (talk) 16:42, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Feel free to add in any block length you want as an option when voting starts. If people want to stick to the dropdown options they can vote for them. Christopher (talk) 16:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I noticed I'm too new (March 23) and can't vote anyway. Well, the idea may or may not be relevant for others who vote. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 17:14, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

For the sake of clarity, has a vote been formally started yet? Harry Potter (talk) 17:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

No, because it has not been 24 hours.Gale5050 (talk) 17:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Could someone show a few diffs? I'm likely to support (I've seen Scrooges shittery) and it wouldn't surprise me it's more widespread than what I've seen...but seeing a few more diffs would help. ShabiDOO 18:59, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Most diffs taken in isolation look fairly harmless, off the top of my head there are his bullshit coops [1] [2] [3] Christopher (talk) 19:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I support pi months and a soft threat that if he doesn't stop with the crying wolf shit that we could see escalations from there. Scrooge is very tiresome to deal with and is one of the few reasons (not the only one) I took a short break from the wiki. Techpriest (talk) 20:04, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Well....

• Bullshit coops also had Unclescrooge calling users to be permabanned.[4][5][6]
• Inserting completely inappropriate entries for WIGO [7], similar habit in Salooon Bar.[8][9] Extremely low quality WIGO [10].
• Poor to horrific quality edits in mainspace[11] (generally removing categories with a dopey "huh?" edit summary) [12][13] [14]
• Constantly complaining about being binned/blocked / Begging to be removed from vandal bin [15] (this one is a promise to insert inappropriate Mario content for the wiki) [16][17](spammed Saloon Bar for this) [18] (post also calls for long-term blocking users) [19] [20] flaming Cosmikdebris, [21] calling Plutocow a "fascist" and begging for sysop powers, [22], [23] begging Christopher to be let back on a Discord server)
• Ping abuse[24]
• Trolling users, quick to flame them for doing the reasonable thing like preventing further disruption. [25][26] (calling Kevlastar a "fascist"), [27] (typical right wing trolling), [28] (calling Gale5050 a "fascist"), [29] calling Spud a "fascist", [30] (trolling Chicken Coop), [31] (trolling Chicken Coop; no that's not a copy/paste mistake), [32] (playing right wing troll against GrammarCommie for doing the correct thing of removing disruptive premature Chicken Coop voting)
• GIF spam, particularly including a giant ass gif including filtering so it looks horribly ugly.[33][34][35][36] The gif is his current user page content.
• Created several awful Debate pages.[37][38]. This one is the first one, and cemented extremely negative impressions by most users on him.
• Created shitty drafts, some shittier than the others.[39] (the shitty one).
• Created a horrific essay that ended up buried for going plain against RationalWiki's mission.[40].
• Reregged under another account to complain to Rockford Roe[41] and Rockford Roe has complained about him sending harassing DMs in this coop.

Also it doesn't take specific diffs to show his posting manner. He makes excessive use of punctuation. It's clearer than an Invisible Mario to me that this user's only intention is to draw much attention to himself through punctuation, all caps, ping spam, and GIF abuse, which are all traits of poor quality trolls. I think a month ban is appropriate but I also think that's on the "easy" side and I believe Unclecrooge should be yeeted off for a very long time. He's cemented his awful reputation since February and has been registered here since September 2020, and I had to type this up when I could be scrubbing toilets instead. Why are we keeping him here for so long? WHY have we kept him for this long? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:14, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Shabidoo in addition to that, look at there terrible block log[42]. Gale5050 (talk) 20:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Jesus fucking shit-crackers. That is not "minor" pestery. Pi months at a minimum. The amount of users who have had to deal with Scrooge's grief is really long. It's not just a case of a "person being annoying" but being pointlessly toxic and irredeemable while at the same time being of no use to the site. ShabiDOO 22:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't go that far, but yes, this is a sheer net negative. -Gale5050 (talk) 23:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

If the user in question gets blocked for a significant time, I sincerely hope they use the time away from this website to read about what fascism actually is. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 23:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Thoughts

Scrooge is a (very) minor pest, and is in the bin where he belongs. To mitigate some of his genuinely irritating / disruptive behaviour, I'd propose the following:

1. The binning won't be reviewed for 12 months. If he complains about being in there, or asks to be unbinned, at any point before 29/05/2022, then it's escalating week-long blocks (1, 2, 3, etc.) from the first sysop / mod who sees it.
2. If he starts a coop case which is then judged to be frivolous by a simple majority of the mod team, then it's escalating month-long blocks (1, 2, 3, etc.).

As for his generally bad / dumb / argumentative edits, and bog-standard right-wing talking points, then that's just the perils of editing on an open wiki, and some of you seriously need to get a grip. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 21:42, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Scrooge was initially removed from the bin after begging, the quickly rebinned for repeat behavior. Binning has no effect on Scrooge other than reducing the frequency of bad behavior. Bongolian (talk) 21:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Per Bongolian, this is why I think a decently sized block is needed. Scrooge ends up being a fairly boring yet annoying plague on talkpages, constantly calling us fascists or suggesting we're like Ingsoc from 1984, which at this point is starting to get seriously frustrating to deal with. 3 weeks probably wont send a message. 3 months will. Infinite blocks are silly for now, I do think that a cold shower might be needed for him to get his act together and stop being a 5 year old (question; does anyone know how Scrooge is? I seriously at times question if he's 12), but it's not hit so far for him, so perhaps a clearer message is needed. Techpriest (talk) 22:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I think that for the bad edits, bans should be short, like 1 or 9 hours, if they occur. Gale5050 (talk) 22:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure how "get a grip" will work. This user is very clearly a troll. This user feels like they're testing the tolerance limits of RationalWiki. What do trolls want? Disruption. How do they achieve disruption and get attention? Cheapest way is all-caps, punctuation spam, blowing up images to give them prominence, making over-the-top insults to get reactions, etc. Ignoring them isn't the solution, as the giant images, all-caps, the pings, the punctuation all already do work drawing attention to them. They'll keep on trying to get attention and they'll take advantage of tolerance of them to do this. It's not about "getting a grip", it's about deciding if it's worth it to keep someone whose motives are explicitly to waste time and call attention to themselves. Like a troll. They're past the point of being ignored if they start coops and try to harass mods (such as spamming tons of pings, which is also the same as all-caps disruptive messages) to do something. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I tend to agree at this point. I have shifted to supporting a ban. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 23:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

They not only said things we didn't like, but they bludgeoned and it began to become disruptive editing. Check here(the Oct. 6 block). They were blocked for 3.14 months, and still persisted in there disruption. That 3.14 month block should have been a stern warning. Instead, they continued there disruptive editing. They had enough chances. Any blocks they have should be their last temporary one. Gale5050 (talk) 02:00, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

The collapse template is overused. Christopher (talk) 14:11, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

True, but this discussion is already at 48KB. Collapsing the unnecessary would help relieve this problem. Gale5050 (talk) 15:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

The collapse was needed because there was lengthy squabbling between HBC and Flandres that wasn't really productive to the coop. The collapse was used just so readers know which comments should be read and which shouldn't; i.e. legibility. This is only the second collapse (other coops had more collapses) and I feel some nature of discussion is bound to be unproductive and tiring to read. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 17:10, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Re-enabled per LGM. Gale5050 (talk) 17:13, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

And also, that squabbling caused this coop to (temporarily) go to HCM 4, it went back to 5 and then 6 though. Gale5050 (talk) 13:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Time to vote

It’s been 24 hours. Per RW:CS, votes to block/ban require a two thirds majority. @GrammarCommie asked to be pinged. Christopher (talk) 14:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Christopher Stupid question, I know, but if this vote were to go past 6/28, would I be eligible to vote, or no? Gale5050 (talk) 14:22, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Not going to happen in this case, but if another vote started closer to that date you would be eligible. From RW:CS:

you must have at least 75 total edits and a registration date at least three months prior to the conclusion of the vote.

Christopher (talk) 14:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Roman Sionis asked to be pinged too. Kevs ^Ping! 15:09, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks.Gale5050 (talk) 15:15, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

π Planck time units

Yea

1. Unclescrooge (talk) 14:22, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Nay

1. Silly. Techpriest (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. This is stupid. I mean, that is like........a dectillionth of a second at most. Gale5050 (talk) 21:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
2. Unclescrooge (talk) 22:54, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
3. What can I say? Even Scrooge himself agrees. All I can say is bah humbug, LOL. :D Harry Potter (talk) 08:15, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

π days

Yea

1. ShabiDOO 17:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Nay

1. Too short. Kevs ^Ping! 15:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
2. Omicron (talk) 16:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
3. Meaningless. Bongolian (talk) 16:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
4. Too short to be meaningful. While I have mostly been too senioritis-ridden by homework to watch the site as often as before for the past couple months, I've watched and interacted this guy enough just before my hiatus enough to say that, while a permaban is too harsh, this long-term rightist shitposter deserves a longer exile. --Goatspeed. _{See what I'm up to}CircularRasoning^{See what I'm planning} 06:57, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
5. Meaningless. Techpriest (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

π weeks

Yea

1. Omicron (talk) 16:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
2. ShabiDOO 17:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
3. Underrated option if you vote for π months too. Sanctions are AFAIK cumulative, and this will result in a 4 months block. GeeJayK (talk) 16:11, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

   No, they aren't. But they'll extend if he tries to evade it. Kevs ^Ping! 16:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

4. Bare minimum. Techpriest (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
5. Hiya!-Flandres (talk) 02:53, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
6. Kauri0.o (talk) 00:17, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Nay

Still too short. Kevs ^Ping! 15:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Pointless, as it is just too short. Why bother at all with this kind of block length? He's already binned! Harry Potter (talk) 17:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

You need to have had an account for a least 3 months to cast a vote. Bongolian (talk) 17:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I made the same mistake; their account is old enough, although they only became active this month. Christopher (talk) 17:29, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

OK. Bongolian (talk) 18:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

They made their first edit on 24 September 2020, but took an LANCB until May, when I welcomed them on the 12th. Gale5050 (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

For the record, I've retracted my own vote, and therefore have striked it out. Thanks. Harry Potter (talk) 09:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

1. Too short to be meaningful. While I have mostly been too senioritis-ridden by homework to watch the site as often as before for the past couple months, I've watched and interacted this guy enough just before my hiatus enough to say that, while a permaban is too harsh, this long-term rightist shitposter deserves a longer exile. --Goatspeed. _{See what I'm up to}CircularRasoning^{See what I'm planning} 07:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
2. Bongolian (talk) 18:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
3. UShistoryanalyzer (talk) 02:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. Voting against block lengths because you think they’re too short makes no sense. Christopher (talk) 17:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   While I'd normally support this in case the really-long block failed, I decided to vote no on the pi weeks because at this point US has a virtually 100 percent chance of getting that sentence, as we still have yet to have a single editor vote to acquit him from that one. --Goatspeed. _{See what I'm up to}CircularRasoning^{See what I'm planning} 07:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

   In case pi weeks/months both have a supermajority, what will happen? Kevs ^Ping! 17:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   He’s blocked for pi months. Christopher (talk) 18:00, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   So if it would be 12:0 for pi months and 4:2 for perma, he'd be permabanned? Kevs ^Ping! 18:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   Yes. Christopher (talk) 18:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   ? I thought it would be whichever got more support. Gale5050 (talk) 19:10, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   Yeah should be whatever gets more support and less oppose. The better ratio. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:28, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   Is this mentioned in the community standards? Kevs ^Ping! 19:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   No but neither is Christopher's idea. I think the best way is a runoff, so if pi weeks and months both get 2/3, there is a week runoff, where say, if pi months wins 11-4, we proceed with that, no other options (kind of like those senate races in Georgia). Gale5050 (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   It’s not my idea, just how things have always been done. A runoff would make everything take longer than needed, but I wouldn’t be opposed to a different system that still relied on one vote. That’s a discussion for the community standards talk page though. Christopher (talk) 22:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   I will start one now. Gale5050 (talk) 22:24, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   Ok, the discussion is at RationalWiki talk:Community Standards#Better way of handling blocks at RW:CS if there are 2 options with super majorities.3F, please do feel free to participate there as well. Gale5050 (talk) 22:28, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ How come? I've only voted against one single block length for that reason, solely to make a point that if we block him for merely pi weeks or less, then we'd may as well not bother blocking him at all. Harry Potter (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

π months

Yea

1. Christopher (talk) 14:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
2. --RWRW (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
3. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 14:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
4. Scream!! (talk) 14:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
5. @Kevlarstar Thanks for informing me! Roman Sionis ^{tends to be inactive during summer} 15:22, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
6. Omicron (talk) 16:41, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
7. Bongolian (talk) 16:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
8. Well deserved, block length just right. Harry Potter (talk) 17:00, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
9. One could hope this would convince him to be less of a pest. They'd be wrong of course, but they could hope... ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 17:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
10. -Flandres (talk) 17:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
11. To prevent further disruption. I have doubts behavior would change. I only hope the block is enough to signal that the trolling must come to end. But the month block shows we're still giving the user probably a few chances left. If the disruption doesn't stop at least the next blocks will show we already tried. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 17:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
12. Why keep tolerating a user who is both disruptive/toxic AND of no value to the site. ShabiDOO 17:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
13. Sure enough. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 18:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
14. We gave them enough chances. Plutocow (talk) 18:29, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

    and the agreement on a finite block rather than indefinite is yet another chance. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

15. In agreement with GC in terms of comment. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 21:51, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
16. Ah, juust right. Long enough to be effective (given how rarely attention-whoring shitposters actually maintain interest in just one account after pi months anyway), short enough to not be unnecessarily heavy-handed. --Goatspeed. _{See what I'm up to}CircularRasoning^{See what I'm planning} 07:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
17. In the style of his typing patterns: PLEASE GIVE ME MORE ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rockford the Roe ^{boop my snoot}_{praise Oscar Wilde} 07:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
18. As per my post on the π weeks. GeeJayK (talk) 16:11, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
19. Reference my comment in coop. Techpriest (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
20. Perhaps he should take a break during the summer. UShistoryanalyzer (talk) 02:34, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
21. Kauri0.o (talk) 00:17, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
22. Per basic human logic. JJP_Master 23:08, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
23. Leucippus^Talk 22:56, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
24. Since permaban won't pass.. User:Kevlarstar (talk) 06:35, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Permaban

Yea

1. I wavered a bit, but I’m coming down here. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 23:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
2. I'm just going to put a vote here, even though it is not likely to pass. He is only here to get an emotional reaction out of us so he can tell himself he "owned the libs-" since he is here in bad faith there is no point in keeping him around.-Flandres (talk) 23:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
3. In that case, I'll support GC. Bongolian (talk) 23:13, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
4. Why delay the inevitable? The way things are going, it looks like Unclescrooge will be blocked for 3.14 months, he'll come back in September, be the same troll he's always been again and then get permabanned. Why not just skip that bit and permaban him now? Spud (talk) 23:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   Question - would this permaban be a normal indefinite block that’s appealable or an actual forever block? Gale5050 (talk) 23:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   Permabans are generally indefinite and can be appealed, from my understanding. But if you want to appeal, you have to show drastic behavior improvements and such. I mean maybe a few years someone like GR's like, totally changed as a person and it shows and we can unblock... --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

   Would it require another coop? Gale5050 (talk) 12:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

   Not sure. If it does, make it hopefully swift. Or maybe go to all things in moderation to get mod and mob consensus. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

5. I'm sure if they want to change, they can create a better behaved sock. :p PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 02:27, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
6. First time to vote for permaban - and I hope it will be the last time. Kevs ^Ping! 06:30, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
7. awakening from my slumber just to make my vote count. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 08:57, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
8. Someone whose only activity is to start frivolous coop cases is not a positive user for the community. Plutocow (talk) 18:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
9. This pest is another UT, and humoring him will not make things any better.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 18:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
10. If this person wanted to contribute anything of benefit to the community, they would have done so already. But even when faced with a long ban in this very coop, they repeat past behavior even after being asked to stop multiple times. I have no reason to expect that any ban short of permanent will change this pattern. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 22:34, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Nay

1. Omicron (talk) 16:41, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
2. Really? Why be that harsh? He's already binned and I'm pretty sure that a shorter block will do the trick. Harry Potter (talk) 17:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
3. If he can straighten up his act. If we have to take him to coop again, he gets PB'd. Yes? Roman Sionis ^{tends to be inactive during summer} 18:29, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   Exactly. I fully agree with you Roman. :) Harry Potter (talk) 08:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

4. As much of a pest as he is, this option can probably wait. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 14:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
5. Overall, I tend to support bans only for those that support totalitarian regimes like fascists and tankies and those that evade blocks. I do agree that there are a few exceptions one in a while, but this is not the case yet. GeeJayK (talk) 16:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
6. I fully believe in a second chance. I have zero faith that he will take it, but I do think he should get that chance. Therefore, right now this is too far. Techpriest (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
7. Short of obvious Klansman spambot or whatever, we can wait for users to screw up after monthly ban and then perma. CorruptUser 18:33, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
8. Just ban him again in pi months if he continues to play up.Kauri0.o (talk) 00:18, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
9. Excessive. UShistoryanalyzer (talk) 16:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. I saw a few people who looked like they’d support a permaban during discussion, I’m surprised no one’s voted for it yet. Christopher (talk) 22:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   I think they meant perma ban as last resort. Gale5050 (talk) 22:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   I'm leaning there as I do think no improvement will be made but I'll be patient. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   I would have voted for permaban if it was likely to get 2/3rds. My rational was Scrooge's defamation of GC (RationalWiki:Chicken coop/Archive126) in addition to everything else. Bongolian (talk) 22:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

   That coop got to HMC 5, and was archived within an hour and a half and was against me. However, it was actually good in case for some reason I get disruptive, as just in case it would provide back story, but it was pointless. Gale5050 (talk) 23:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

2. Only if Scrooge follows in Ken

's and Gutless Ragamuffin's footsteps and abuses multiple accounts during the really-long block that it looks like he will get as we still have yet to see any serious objection to it at all, would I say that he should be permanently not welcome here. That being said, I refuse to cast a supermajority-breaking vote against his perma, and would not shed a tear if the mob does indeed vote to throw the book at this clear bad-faith rightist idiot who probably lacks a father figure and the ability to satisfy a woman and is taking it out on tEh LiBz. --Goatspeed. _{See what I'm up to}CircularRasoning^{See what I'm planning} 07:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

1. Mehhhh we can just stick with the fact he's just a poor quality troll without going into child-parent status or relationship status. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

2. Not conclusive about this at the moment, will decide soon. UShistoryanalyzer (talk) 02:37, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Decision reached. UShistoryanalyzer (talk) 16:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Scrooge got blocked again

fFr calling another user a "fascist" again. Truth is, nothing will change here, he will be blocked for π months. Can't we just finish this coop a little bit sooner? GeeJayK (talk) 21:05, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

No, but he can be blocked on June 6 or 7th, I don’t know how to add very well. Gale5050 (talk) 21:09, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

[EC]Has to last 7 days minimum, doubt it’ll go much over that minimum. I personally don’t see the point in blocking him when he’ll be gone for 3.14 months so soon but I won’t unblock him. Christopher (talk) 21:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Kinda same.Gale5050 (talk) 21:54, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Wait 3 months, see him shitpost again after the block expires, do a swift coop to block him again indefinite. That's probably how it'll pan out. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:56, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Minimum time is over. I think we can end it, @Sirius. User:Kevlarstar (talk) 16:32, 6 June 2021 (UTC)