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Because of your edits to and time on the wiki, Autopatrolled has been added to your user rights. This lets you bypass most of the abuse filters, bypass the CAPTCHA, and edit more frequently. If you have questions, bleat ask away.

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Thanks RWRW! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:35, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Your contributions to mainspace still need to be checked. Autopatrol revoked. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 23:02, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Susan Collins[edit]

I've moved your article to Draftspace. Feel free to continue working on it, I'm just giving you a heads up as to where it went. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:20, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:21, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Unwelcome[edit]

New logo large.png Your welcome to RationalWiki is lukewarm at best, LT.

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You're going to have an exceedingly difficult time promoting conspiracy theories here, which you seem to be aiming to do.[1][2] Bongolian (talk) 16:02, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

It was only on talk pages, and I'm not going to insert random conspiracy theories into the mainspace here. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 16:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
So, do you believe in 'random conspiracy theories' or just deep state/QAnon/Pizzagate? Bongolian (talk) 16:33, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Mainly 'random conspiracy theories' and some Deep state stuff. I dunno too much about QAnon/Pizzagate, and find some of the latter sketchy though most likely rooted in facts. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 16:36, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
"It was only on talk pages" isn't quite the great defense you think it is. Wiki editing is a collaborative project. Whatever your plans are, it's going to be subject with scrutiny and you'll have to justify them to other people rather than just RobSmith. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 19:59, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Removing profanity in mainspace pages[edit]

Justifying it as making the site more "rational" isn't a good defense. You just don't like profanities? That's not a good reason to remove them. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 22:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean, it's not "a good defense"? I thought this was RationalWiki! Also, what significant benefit does Autopatrolled bring? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:12, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
This policy tells you all you need to know. I don't have to look it up for you, especially since your words mirror so closely to the sarcastic comeback we make to users that complain about the name of the wiki, that I genuinely don't know you're trying to act this way or not. As for the autopatrol status, it has never granted you any additional benefits; the only thing it does is automatically mark your edits as patrolled so other sysops don't have to regularly check your edits. I've found more than a few of your edits problematic, hence I've disabled autopatrolled so other users can also check your edits. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 23:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Score! Essay:I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki. Bongolian (talk) 23:18, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Now hold on though. Since extraneous usage of profanity is irrational, the removal of such is rational! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:19, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh, fuck! You mean I've been wasting all my time cursing… shit. Bongolian (talk) 23:22, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes, swearing is a waste of time. Besides, doing it often only desensitizes the point of doing it. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:24, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Christ on a crutch, I haven't even started and you're already trying to censor me. Take a look at the civility page. Yanking your chain appears to be more entertaining that yanking that other CP guy's chain. I hesitate to think what is on the other end though. Bongolian (talk) 23:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
LT, I am angry that you tried to cast my Fuck ancestors[3] down the memory hole with your censorship. Bongolian (talk) 07:47, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
"But I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki!" Drink! Kiko4564 (talk) 08:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

WIGO elections[edit]

Look, I know you're used to CP and how you do things there. I get that. But you need to shape up if you're going to be a contributor to this site. Firstly, get over the swearing, people are going to swear. Secondly, no more attack WIGOs. We've mostly ended up writing the main WIGOs in a semi-neutral tone, barring egregious stupidity. Ok? Ok. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 11:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

You mean LiberalTears got banned from Conservapedia? Gunther1987 (talk) 15:03, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
I don't think I got banned from CP. The IP address I normally use when going on the site isn't blocked, and my account there isn't blocked currently. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
There was this edit, in addition, where you wrote some vague weasel-wordy "not liberal enough" headline, which echoes a poor quality right-wing source. I had to follow the link to try to understand what you meant. Anyway, if you think "it doesn't adequately address healthcare" is not "liberal enough", let the words speak for themselves. It might not have an effect on the target audience of RationalWiki, maybe, but certainly to your ideology it still sounds bad? Anyway, read your sources before you share and try to be helpful about summarizing what you read, not writing a opinion about it. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 18:23, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Rational[edit]

Define this word for me please. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:01, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Having to do with reason. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 21:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, no reply yet. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 21:19, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
It would seem that your definition would include "being of a right of centre view". No? Scream!! (talk) 21:23, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Very good LT. Now explain how your edits to those articles made them more rational. And do include the metric. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, I made it pretty clear in the edit summary; to restate, legal status and immigration has no direct relation to race and/or ethnicity. One can argue the term is xenophobic, but calling it "racist" doesn't make sense. And about this, it makes more sense to use Template:Pundits anyways, and calling Candace Owens a fascist is quite ridiculous. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Let's start with the first example. Could you provide evidence of the term being used pejoratively against European immigrants? Because I've literally only heard it used against Hispanics and Muslims. Who are stereotypically dark skinned... ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
While I don't focus much on that overall, I speculate that it could be because most illegal aliens (and even extremist Islamic terrorists) invade our country via the U.S./Mexico border, surprisingly enough. If you want to make this an issue over race and/or ethnicity, then go ahead. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:45, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
So, conspiracy theory aside, are you ceding and saying that the term is racist as well as xenophobic? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 01:03, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Spare me your "illegal aliens" and "invasion" coinage, please. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 01:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Factual terminology has complete disregard for political correctness and euphemisms. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, until some idiot troll vandalizing CP pages gets blocked, I won't immediately be replying to any more comments here. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────As @Spud said earlier (RationalWiki:Saloon_bar/Archive366#Help), "RationalWiki does not encourage or condone vandalizing Conservapedia." Unless, you have evidence that the person allegedly vandalizing CP is an active editor on RW, there is nothing we can do about it. Furthermore, vandalizing of RW is not justified by the alleged vandalization of CP. Bongolian (talk) 01:41, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

So was I technically vandalizing RW pages? I removed certain small details and information that obviously doesn't reflect on the name of this site. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I didn't accuse you of vandalizing. You were however, edit warring and whitewashing (repeatedly removing categories that were justified by the text and citations within the pages). Bongolian (talk) 01:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
It's not "factual terminology", calling humans "illegal aliens" is a snarl word used to denote a population that has no documentation or expired documents. Calling them "undocumented immigrations" is more accurate. Again, miss me with your talk about political correctness, you just want to freely demean, dehumanize, and disparage a disadvantaged group without consequence. The sooner you see these people as human beings rather than a bunch of lazy exploitative thugs that disrespect borders, the world will be a slightly better place. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 03:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
LT, I still would like to see evidence of the term "anchor baby" being used to refer to "white" immigrants. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I want to note that the term "alien" was applied originally to Jews in England, see: Aliens Act 1905Wikipedia (long title: "An Act to amend the Law with regard to Aliens."). It mirrors the 1290 Edict of expulsionWikipedia, also targeting Jews. In the United States, it was preceded by the 1798 Alien and Sedition ActsWikipedia ("An Act Concerning Aliens"). The term alien is meant to be dehumanizing, both historically and politically nowadays. — Godless Raven SDAPOe logo.svg talkstalkwalkbalk 🌹 Flag of Europe.svg 15:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you[edit]

Sometimes I'm bored and I lurk on the internet. I'm sure you can understand, seeing as how you are an ACTUAL CONSERVAPEDIAN on this site (a real one, in the flesh, that is neither Ken or Rob! Outrageous) and that you yourself sometimes poke around, just to pass the time. I saw your signature about "Dataclarifier" and wondered what that meant, so I decided to google it. Some silly little jab at us North Korean communists, no doubt. A few clicks later I am reading Conservapedia (yeah, that's how bad it is in my neck of the woods on a Friday night). Click, click, click, one link to the next, when this pops up:

"My underlying point is that one doesn't need to agree with another on Scripture just to pray for them to be well. I get that you may think they "rejected" the Word of God, though isn't it possible to lead by example on the Christian principle of compassion and ask God to bless them with good health?"-Liberaltears

All this time I was reading your edits here, thinking you are a little weirdo troll with far too much time on your hands. And I still do, I still think you have thought patterns I will never be able to relate to, and I still think you are here to whip up nonsense and cause trouble because you are bored. But... it's a prayer? Your signature was a prayer? To an elderly man you encountered in some strange corner of the internet? A man who's mom is sick, in her 90's? And you don't even know who they really are, or what they are like in real life, but the moment you heard they might be unwell you wished good health for them and prayed for them?

I don't hate you. Do you understand? I find you annoying, but I don't hate you. I don't think you spend your time throwing rocks through people's windows, or stealing money from the poor and I don't think you have ten people buried in your backyard. I don't hate you, and I don't think you are a bad person. And I suddenly felt the need to tell you this LT because you will have no doubt encountered (and if you haven't yet you WILL encounter) all sorts of horrible shit that people who align with my worldview say to you. And they will see you as your views. You will cease being a human in their eyes (just as I'm sure I have ceased to be a human in certain conservative's eyes). And they will judge you before you even got the chance to say anything, just as you might judge them. But I want you to know that I don't hate you, and I think you are a HUMAN BEING, who just happens to disagree with me on, well, pretty much everything, probably. And I want you to remember that when you interact with people who are like the users of this website, foul mouthed sons of bitches who are left leaning sceptics. They are human too. You disagree with them, but they are not bad either. Your worth as a human, your life's intrinsic value, does not diminish, and neither does theirs.

Anyway, just wanted to say this (whatever THIS was. I don't know, I've been awake for the last 20 hours. Stop laughing). I don't know who Dataclarifier is pal, but I do hope all your friends are alright. I do hope that they know that you prayed for them, and thought about them, and that they are at peace. I'm gonna shut the f up now. Wish you the best. - Rairyu75 (Talk) 01:24, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

@Rairyu75 Oh, okay. Thanks! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:33, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Misuse of the term "postmodernism" annoys me.[edit]

What it says on the tin. Learn philosophy. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 03:53, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@GrammarCommie 3.14 months seems a little bit long. How do I get sysop abilities? After all, RobSmith got them here. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:57, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Learn what postmodernism is, what it advocates, and why your misuse of it is wrong and dumb, then demonstrate your knowledge to me. Or wait until either the timer runs out or someone feels pity for you. I am unlikely to give you Sysop. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 04:09, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
1) You get sysop by making enough substantive mainspace contributions to demonstrate some level of sanity. 2) Nobs was grandfathered-in and has learned to keep within his troll cage. We keep him around for entertainment. He is one of the 'old ones', and he is apparently moribund. 3) You're rather unlikely to get sysop. Bongolian (talk) 04:10, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
@Bongolian Oh, well that's a problem. I was thinking about potentially making a massive expansion to Draft:Susan Collins sometimes perhaps, but now I'll have to wait three months for that... LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 04:54, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Getting unblocked and becoming a sysop are different matters. GrammarCommie promised to unblock you if you can demonstrate that you're not an idiot. Have at it. Bongolian (talk) 05:00, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
@Bongolian Alright then. So here's a humorous (and sarcastic) demonstration of the great jenius I am: windmills cause cancer. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 05:12, 22 September 2020 (UTC)