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Liberals want only white landowners able to not pay taxes and have the sole right to vote (govern undemocratically) on the basis of “corporate personhood”? (Reedy Creek)[edit]

Simple logic is not respected on either side of the political aisle. 2600:387:F:4215:0:0:0:8 (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Jake Daniels[edit]

I fixed the WIGO. Remember boys: girls play football too! LondonGrump (talk) 15:38, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

shawnee city council[edit]

im missing something. ive read and reread the article in question in part to get my head round the idea that is it is talking about flatmates and flat sharing and not some specific practice and unusual practice, just common or garden flat sharing, not something new, in part because despite its unanimous vote to to ban, it gives no indication of the purpose of the ban or its scope - public housing only? private renters too? a specific sector? there is an argument to regulate having lodgers from protecting rights of renters from unscrupulous landlords cramming in people into into rooms too small for the numbers involved, for general safety of occupants in the events of fire or emergency it is known how many people are offically in building before sending in fireman looking for trapped tenants, it can effect the benefits someone gets for housing if they have someone helping living with them to help with the rent. or the lodger is getting room and board rent free from their mate, but getting paid housing benefit anyway paid straight into their wallet. there are probably plenty of dubious scrooge like reasons to ban it too but dont know either way, the article is quiet on that front. should i be outraged or should i should i think it was about time, or should i just think someone is preaching to me via wigo but not given any of the meat of the story to weigh up its merits. AMassiveGay (talk) 23:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

I had a similar experience when I encountered this link on imgur earlier today. The linked article doesn't go into much detail. This one goes into a lot more - it basically just seems like there are some homes being bought and converted into multiple bedroom properties that are being rented out on a room-by-room basis and, for some reason, the locals don't like it. Hard to get a full read on exactly why, but this line seemed pretty revealing: "Tracy Thomas, a former member of the Shawnee City Council, was one of the residents concerned about the housing trend moving into Shawnee. She and others were concerned it could lead to a dramatic influx in renters, more people parking on the street, and shifts in home values." Here's the actual thing itself, if you want a read. X Stickman (talk) 01:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

George Bush on Ukraine and Iraq[edit]

Probably not WIGO-worthy, but this gaffe is pretty funny. --RWRW (talk) 09:27, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Buffalo supermarket shooting[edit]

I feel like that deserves to be in a WIGO of some kind, 'nuff said. (talk) 17:10, 23 May 2022 (UTC)Bumpf

Would have made one but can't figure out UI. Can someone link me to the "make page" page? Zodenticz Nexian (talk) 18:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC) Zodenticz Nexian
You're a little late, that was last week's mass shooting news. Today's mass shooting news is some dweeb who killed (report so far) 14 little kids and a teacher in an elementary school in rural Texas. Mass shootings are now "ordinary" events in America. The only question is whether Alex Jones or some other equivalent shithead hooked on the Russia NRA propaganda will call this particular shooting a "false flag". Gotta protect the profits you get from the dumb paranoid style crowd after all... Meh (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
They seem to have settled on the idea that the gunman was trans and entered the country illegally at a young age (both false). You know, they often talk about Democrat politicians putting politics in tragedies "this is no time for politics", yet it seems even the most "political" response they have is in-line responses the world over in how to respond to a mass shooting, proposing solutions that includes issues about limiting guns. Meanwhile, the "not doing political stuff" conservatives often try to go after the shooter's identity often in an attempt to say, these "others" are the problem, not guns or white supremacy. This is especially prevalent when shooters are, I'll fucking say the full line, cis hetero conservative christian (or "looks christian") white supremacist native-born white guys since they have to come up with a narrative where they can jump around those classifications in order to not allow the conversation to not go to "uncomfortable" places for them and their audience (which will lead to outrage against them by accusing the speaker of "blaming whites, conservatives, Christians, and gun owners"). That's the reason they're obsessed with playing up mental illness (the easiest one to hone in on to look more "neutral"), mixed-race heritage, non-cisgender, non-citizenship, or any "anomaly" to make them an "other". One example from both, The Buffalo shooter was not a "white supremacist" because he happened to shoot two white guys while deliberately ignoring the context and his blatantly stated motivations (and acting like having more than one type of victim in the minority is proof he didn't have a primary target in mind). Meanwhile, the Uvdale shooter had conservatives try to go after his heritage as well as using a couple of "goth makeup" pics to decide he was transgender, blatantly saying, "being transgender/non-citizen were what made him a mass shooter" (you'll notice a pattern that pointing out features that the fox news/twitter right approve is "targeting us", whereas them doing it to someone else is "pointing out the problems that the MSM don't want to talk about"). The other alternative is to deny the problem (which can be done to deny the shooter's identity or to change the conversation to their comfort zone) and claim it's a false flag to ban guns even though that hasn't happened. The point is essentially to do nothing, keep conservatives angry and loyal, and continue to divide and conquer our country.Ryan1257 (talk) 18:09, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Morbid tangent, but if I were doing "false flag" mass shootings to change gun laws towards "gun control", I wouldn't be hitting schools (I mean other places as well, but schools are the oneswe think of mostly), I'd do what any good conspiracy does, hitting those who can influence such policy, like police and police chiefs, sherrifs, judges, lawmakers and similar officials, lobbyist groups, and other people and organizations that could effect the debate more . And don't give me "soft targets" bullshit, I'm a conspiracy, remember, I'd have the resources to target such individuals even if they're hard targets in hard targets. Why attack schools? Sure they may be "soft-targets", but kids, teachers, administrators, and parents don't have a lot of sway on gun policies. And lately, let's be honest, children dying outside the womb is something the public cares about for at most 7 news cycles, so it'd be a waste of time and resources.Ryan1257 (talk) 18:09, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Food banks in BT(EE)[edit]

It just boggles the mind. This should be a cause of national embarrassment, but it has become so normalised it barely warrants an article in the national press. Cardinal Chang (talk) 21:09, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

its a damning indictment of british budgeting and cooking skills.
i couldnt find an article for the cunt who was proud that we have food banks. tory mp of course i forget which one. gove maybe, but im just guessing. AMassiveGay (talk) 21:34, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
if not gove, hes still a cunt. and, as should always be noted, a fucking weasel. AMassiveGay (talk) 21:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Don't forget he's a massive islamophobe too. As in fanatical hatred. And it's well documented re: Baroness warsei Cardinal Chang (talk) 22:54, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

So cute to see the stuff people get mad about in normal countries. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 15:43, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Yeah so “cute” to see people getting mad at over-privileged toffs telling people who are struggling to feed themselves and their families in a wealthy country that this is just due to the plebs not having their shit together. Meanwhile other toffs see people handing food out as charity as a great example at how gracious their country is, rather than a stark indictment of how these toffs have (mis)ruled the country for decades. Oh, did I mention that these toffs also decided to throw the country into political and economic chaos for narrow, internal party political reasons after they had already fucked it over with one of the harshest austerity regimes outside of Greece? Or that they have instituted GOP style voter suppression? Or tightened rules to allow police to crack down more easily on demonstrations? Or that they don’t seem to think that they have to abide by international treaties and other agreements they have signed? So “cute” indeed; a veritable case of Hello Kitty, I’d say… ScepticWombat (talk) 19:37, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Roe v Wade[edit]

Tell me, how are we all fucked? Is the rulings of SCOTUS binding on the entire world now? Do hyperbole if you wish, but at least make it accurate hyperbole. KarmaPolice (talk) 18:16, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Go fuck yourself. First of all, this is devastating news to US residents. Don't make light of it. And if you don't think reactionary politics in one of the most powerful nations on the planet won't echo in the rest of the world you haven't been paying attention-Hastur! (talk) 18:25, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
get over yourself and get some perspective AMassiveGay (talk) 18:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
What, pointing out the fact that 'US is not the world' is 'making light of it'? I think your parochialism is showing. And Gay & I have to put up with Boris Johnson on a daily basis (aka 'if Trump went to Eton') so don't hector me about reactionary politics either.
Plus, did you really expect otherwise? We all knew this would come up the day Trump got two SCOTUS picks through, and for sure one he snagged the third. So it might be an anvil, but hardly an unexpected one. Esp after the judgement leak. KarmaPolice (talk) 18:48, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
I would pay good money to see you go to a working class neighborhood in Texas (or a similar state) and see what happens when you tell those silly women they are just overreacting. Millions of women losing rights? Hyperbole! Let them eat cake!-Flandres (talk) 19:13, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
"But both parties are the same lol" -- morons Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 19:26, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
But for real though, British people have such tiny problems compared to the absolute collapse of the republic we're experiencing in the US. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 19:27, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
yeh of course because brexit isnt heading to a break up of the union or anything AMassiveGay (talk) 19:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
You’ll still have human rights in those new countries. We’re taking the accelerating path to right wing totalitarianism Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 19:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
its clear you have no clue as to british politics and to johnsons plan for human rights. how very american of you. AMassiveGay (talk) 19:56, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
"Johnson's plan for human rights" *looks at SCOTUS* *looks at biggest British story being about food banks* *looks into camera* Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 20:05, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
i repeat - no clue AMassiveGay (talk) 20:24, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
This isn't a competition... though things on the HMS UK really ain't pretty right now (one slightly fluffy day does not make a narrative, Duce). The best thing going for us is the same reason I objected to the hyperbole (more the parochialism actually) - we are generally kinda phlegmatic by nature. Trying to make angry mobs of Brits is a bit like trying to set fire to a pile of damp leaves.
Anyway, I've got relatives in both halves of Ireland. They only got abortion rights in 2018/2021. So don't you play the 'you don't know/understand' card with me; I am more aware than you presume.
(Lastly, did the working-class women of Texas have decent access to such services as of yesterday? The GOP has done wonders chipping away said 'rights' to almost a theoretical level in many states over the last couple of decades.) KarmaPolice (talk)

Now isn't the time for oppression olympics, guys. BumblingBuffoon (talk) 20:32, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm just reacting to all the British people telling us Americans to get over ourselves. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 20:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
well thats not whats been happening, but thanks for playing AMassiveGay (talk) 20:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
"get over yourself and get some perspective" Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 20:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
did you look at the comment i was responding to? honestly, fuck off AMassiveGay (talk) 20:48, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
and we only need look at the preceding thread to see folk mocking the concerns of others about about the state of their country. AMassiveGay (talk) 20:51, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
(EC)Hastur didn't make any inaccurate claims though. This is horrible for millions of Americans (a quick look at news will suffice to prove that) and we do know the far-right movements of other countries are willing to take note from the GOP.-Flandres (talk) 20:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
hastur is claiming the whole world should be quaking in its boots. so yes, perspective is something that is required. AMassiveGay (talk) 08:51, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
The SCOTUS decision to repeal Roe and similar are functionally declaration of war on marginalized groups in America and abroad. You're either with the marginalized groups or you're against them. The time for compromise and middle ground is over and done. 2600:1700:C5E0:D60:97D:795D:F119:40FD (talk) 22:05, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
No, just be accurate. 'America is screwed' is perfectly fine (though I still personally a bit of an exaggeration, as laid out in the Bar. But that's a subjective not an objective point). KarmaPolice (talk) 05:17, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
This is the equivalent of saying "All lives matter" you huge tool-Hastur! (talk) 17:01, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
you know this whole spat could have been avoided if you werent such a wangsty prick AMassiveGay (talk) 19:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Unnnnnd the miranda rights and gun control looks endangered on the same day. What now? 2600:387:9:9:0:0:0:15 (talk) 18:17, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

I've been thinking about that. There is actually a start of groundswell of worry from lawyers and judges that SCOTUS is torching many major precidents for little real legal reason (which is the only good reason in their definition). Case law can be overturned by them, yes - but not on a whim, or for political reasons. A few more 'whim-y' results like this and it could seriously destabilise the whole law-cart.
And Hastur, quit it. I've made it fucking clear repeatedly my only real gripe was with the 'US is the world' language. KarmaPolice (talk) 05:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Abortion law in Germany[edit]

The news bit on §219 is incorrect in that it ignores the difference between advertising and informing. Abortions were in practice legal to get on the condition of a short educational appointment. Now, medical professionals are also allowed to advertise their services. This issue is widely misrepresented in public and legislative discourse. - (talk) 19:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

it took a story in the guardian...[edit] get an 8 month old child a visa to be with their british mother. 'established life'. that right there is absolute dogshit and the home office is a fucking disgrace. im only surprised Mo farah isnt being deported to Rwanda AMassiveGay (talk) 07:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

yonks --> eons? doesn't really matter but something else please[edit]

As a Yank and an IP, I had to google what yonks were, and can't change the entry itself to something I understand. Someone please do that thanks (talk) 20:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Bumpf

Hee! Serves you right for living on the wrong side of the pond. Scream!! (talk) 20:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
I"m a yank. I like the term. Keep it. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 00:22, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Alex Jones Trial[edit]

Jone's lawyer sent all the documents he was trying to hide from the court to Plaintiff's Counsel lmao (talk) 21:22, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Uri Geller's island nation[edit]

If it can get in the EU, I'll sign up... London Grump OBE (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Reference: Flag Codes[edit]

Here. KarmaPolice (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

"MyPillow guy"[edit]

Not sure why this is here, or why we're using a vaguely dismissive tone about this when it's a CEO being sued for making objectively false claims about election fraud, or why we're referring to him as "MyPillow guy" instead of only "Mike Lindell." Not newsworthy imho ---Ozzyboo (talk) 21:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I'd counter that quite a lot of folks do know him as the 'MyPillow Guy'. Though I'd have also included his real name, so put it as Mike 'MyPillow' Lindell. Not gonna argue about the newsworthyness of the thing itself, though. KarmaPolice (talk) 11:54, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
hes a prominent conspiracy theorist so he'e rationalwiki's bread and butter. the whole election was stolen thing is a pretty big deal in america as i understand it. proponents of it getting their comeuppance is pretty newsworthy imho, especially when it involves the supreme court. if its dismissive of the guy its because he is major promoter of this dumb theory, keeping it alive and contributing to the divisiveness in american life. and hes a prick. it is newsworthy, in the world of us politics, even if it wouldnt make the front pages of a national paper. but really, wigo is representative of what it RWs editors find of interest. if want to see more 'actual' newsworthy news you can watch the news on the telly or a decent news site. i'd recommend the bbc personally. AMassiveGay (talk) 15:38, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
I'll add that another big part of RW's bread and butter is authoritarianism, which is exactly what peddlers of the Big Lie of the Orange Jeezus are promoting. Lindell is a very prominent promoter of this. He no longer makes major headlines because his bullshit is so nakedly laughably wrong, but he ticks off a lot of boxes on the type of things found on this site. Stories on laughable clowns like Lindell aside, authoritarian creep is still a major ongoing concern regarding the Republican party (and way too many citizens here who call themselves "conservatives"). (talk) 16:35, 7 October 2022 (UTC)