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--MtD^{Pert yet flexible} 20:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Good post

That was a good comment (and on an unresolved discussion, to boot) so don't feel like you have to apologize about it. Keep up the good work. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 20:54, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, thanks a lot. I'm not quite used to the snark (yet), and I don't know how "necroing" unresolved discussion is viewed here, so I was a bit hesitant. I'm glad I did it, so thanks again. LEFTYGREENMARIO 20:56, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

br clear

eTmplate clear ({{clear}}) does the job. Scream!! (talk) 23:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I am aware of this, but I like to alternate between the two, though, for no reason. LEFTYGREENMARIO 00:01, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Mop and Bucket

You've been demoted! Try not to fuck anything up.--TiaC (talk) 05:13, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

I finally need some punishment for once. _{But thanks!} :) LEFTYGREENMARIO 05:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Re: John Hagee

I dunno, I think I should redlink it or something since I feel he deserves an article on this wiki. He has a wikipedia article, which is saying something. -173.55.158.85

Yeah, seeing the Wikipedia article, he denies Global Warming, doesn't like abortion, doesn't like homosexuality (but has said the Church is open to everyone), and he's made predictions using the Bible. He doesn't like Catholics nor Islam. He has public support for Israel, and... that's most I can find for him. I don't have the confidence to create a substantial article on him, so maybe a red link can work here. LEFTYGREENMARIO 07:23, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Put it on the Suggestions page.--TiaC (talk) 07:42, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm not really knowledgeable about him, though. Oh well, maybe he can get a try. LEFTYGREENMARIO 07:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Nevermind, John Hagee has an article. :P LEFTYGREENMARIO 07:53, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Minor Edits

Please reserve tagging edits as minor for changes that do not impact the content of the article.--TiaC (talk) 23:07, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

I think I accidentally tagged that edit as minor. It's a bad habit. ^^' LEFTYGREENMARIO 23:09, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Wah!

"LeftyGreenMario"? By which you mean; Luigi? All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:43, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Heh, just Mario in green clothes. :P LEFTYGREENMARIO 00:44, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

You've done good work recently

Thank you for your good work this past while! I really appreciate it. Here — as thanks, have a meme. On the house All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 02:27, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a lot! And thanks for the first comment I've received after a while, it's much appreciated! I like you around here, hope you continue doing your best! --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 02:30, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Right back at ya, slick! Keep on keepin' on! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 02:38, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Can't spell "respite" without "spite"

Here's hoping suspecting you made this edit just because the stupid TERF rules classified "cisgendered" as a slur? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 02:43, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Maybe you didn't, but if you did... darn tootin. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 02:49, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Also in case anyone ever ever suspects I'm transgendered just because I list opinions only "fake females" can make. Like anyone cares if I tout a vagina, but to some people, it's srs bsns. I'm weird that way. It honestly baffles me why a term like that that simply describes a majority, neutral connotation to me, is considered on the same level as "nigger", "spic", and "tranny". And others, but I'm too young and naïve to know other slurs. _{please don't list more} :( --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 02:54, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

"Touting a vagina" made me snort. Would also have accepted "lugging" and "operating" as verbs. ^^

Speaking of "fake females"; that's one of the ironies I love about dealing with rabid identity politicians over the web. They can't tell what you are, and that upsets them greatly! Without their labels, they're lost, you see. (<- Just realized how much this read like mansplaining, lmao )

I vaguely recall having read once about some white supremacist guy who made a friend over text while gaming. They started chatting, yadda yadda, only later it turns out the kid was black! The white supremacist recalled with horror on a forum, "I almost let one of'em into my life!" (or something to that effect). Things were fine until the labels came into play.

The moral of the story is; these are people who can't stand having to imagine being someone other than themselves. Being forced to do so robs them of their one superpower — instantly knowing who's good and who's bad at a moment's glance.

These are people allergic to the idea of a veil of ignorance; a veil which I personally find to be the starting point of any morally serious discussion of what a "just" society might ever be like. If you have just under two minutes of your time to give to the brilliant Stephen Fry:

A slightly more in-depth version (from the School of Life) on Rawls and his thought experiment can be viewed here.

And (from one thing to the next) speaking of gender — I just posted this today.

Also, in yet another topic jump, I read on your userpage that you have ADHD! That makes two of us, in that case! I've written a few rows here and there on that too. All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 03:16, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

I can't see why it should matter whether you are really a woman, or really a man, or really a genderless purple-skinned alien from the Horologium Supercluster – you should be judged by the value of your contributions alone, not by facts about yourself which most or all of us–not knowing you personally–have no way to verify. On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. (((Zack Martin)))^™ 03:34, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

But how can the sole science of justice still work if I can't pre-emptively cast you in a role? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 03:43, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

TBH, the term "identity politics" kind of confuses me. I hear it, but I don't use it myself nor don't I understand it extremely well. I do think people blow it out of proportion, from what I'm getting. Anyhow, I do like calling myself a female, and I like to imagine the reactions people get when they first discover it. It always makes me laugh. I engage in friendlier people though, and I'm not the gamer type that hangs out in circles where misogynists crop up; the Mario community is pretty tame though we complain about the silliest things.

Thanks for the video, well, not sure what it is exactly about, the "veil of ignorance". It seems like possibilities in a desired society? Not sure.

Of course, it doesn't matter _{in fact, I'm a little Italian video game plumber from a magical land called Mushroom Kingdom that has beautiful mushrooms and ditzy princesses and brutal parties} I'm not trying to put myself on a special pedestal here. I get most of my time talking with people who share similar thought processes and laugh at critical-thinking failures while trying very hard to be open to beliefs, being intellectually honest (that means being honest about my limits and not pretending to know things I don't) and admit errors. In fact, I'm a little hard on myself and I'm always critical of what I do or say and rely a bit too much on trusted third-party opinions than my own.

And I do have ADHD and I have to deal with ADHD-denial (my dad's Chinese and critical of that stuff, sadly) and ADHD deniers drive me absolutely nuts with their disgusting remarks like "kids with ADHD are just lazy". ADHD is a tough thing to deal with. School absolutely sucks! I'm so glad I'm out of it. It was a terrible, if not traumatic experience for me and I remember my journal entries about school, and it looked like it was written by a crazy person. "Good times"... I think I'm allergic to nostalgia goggles, to be honest. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 05:55, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for edit

That does actually read a lot better, thank you, keep up the good work!

You're welcome! Your contribution is very welcome as well. You did most of the work after all. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:45, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

"Thank you Mario!"

"But our discussion is on another talkpage!" All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 15:48, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Grrrr. You Mushroom people never give me a break. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 00:59, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Technically it's Luigi because only Luigi is green and lefty, as signified by the 'L' on his cap.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 01:27, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

That's true, unless he is a RightyRedLuigi. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:47, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

1up

Here's a relevant quote I added to my userpage today, regarding the virtues of wasting investing time on cranks like Mr. Fluoride. All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 16:24, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

We need to get a life. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 00:12, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Being a skeptic is a thankless job sometimes — a bit like being a correctional officer, in its own way. Sure, we get to spend our days engaged with the same cranks who demonstrably lack both lives and prospects. And the routine can become so ingrained that for select moments, it might even feel like a "who's who"-type situation between crank and skeptic. But don't you forget which side of the bars you're actually on. In practice, we may indeed be spending our days in prison. Yet it's a hell of a difference between us and the lifers we're here to watch. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:29, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

It's hard imagining how these people even think sometimes. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:06, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah... That's part of the empathic challenge, in my opinion. It's why systematically observing how cranks behave and reason in general is so instructive... But you're right. Sometimes, even with all my attempts to understand, I realize that I miss some powerful emotion cental to their outlook — typically intense paranoia — or indeed that I lack the disordered cognitive process of the schizophrenic. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 09:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to City 17

I was wondering if you have Steam? :3 All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:28, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Sent you a friend invite! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 23:27, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

About that Zeitgeist Guy...

Every time we protect a page that he vandalizes, he just moves onto another. Do we want to consider maybe just containing him to the Zeitgeist talkpage, reverting him when he touches mainspace? I don't think he's actually obsessed with TZM, he's just using it as a crux for a trolling campaign. RoninMacbeth (talk) 04:56, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I've decided to lock the relevant pages to autoconfirmed for the time being. What I don't understand is why he would blank our pages on TZM and the Venus Project, if he's opposed to TZM and the Venus Project? You know — considering our articles expose and debunk said movements? Heck, if he'd stop vandalizing and start improving those articles by inserting worthwhile criticisms, we'd be glad to have him. (Fat chance, I know. But just saying). Reverend Black Percy (talk) 11:39, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

That's what I thought at first. IMO, he doesn't give a shit about either Zeitgeist or Venus. All he wants to do is troll, and he's just doing it on those pages, for some reason. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:18, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Not reverting Mr. Zeitgeist doesn't seem to have worked and his useless comments do take up space while people tried to engage like "er, okay, tell us why it should be deleted" and it never goes anywhere, which is why I decided to revert everything Mr. Zeitgeist does; the posts might as well not be here. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 00:08, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Indeed. Which is why I implemented long-term protection for the relevant pages. If he spreads to other pages instead, we'll just revert him normally there. What's clear is that the Zeitgeist/Venus project pages cannot go unprotected, regardless. My hope is that his interest will wane over time with the relevant locks in place. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 08:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome!

Honestly, I can't say I'm a fan of Trump. He's an ass, and the only reason I voted for him is that it didn't sit well with me that his main opponent seems to have been caught rigging the primary election, and she has responding to the resulting criticism with ad hominem attacks rather than addressing the issues. Otherwise I would have loved to have had a woman President instead of the misogynistic ass we have, but I'm far from an expert in politics. Isn't Planned Parenthood mostly an abortion clinic? I know they do other things too, but isn't that their claim to fame? I'm a quite tolerant person, and it's fine if someone is pro-choice, but as a young mother who would never personally have an abortion, I'm more concerned with equal pay than abortion rights. Before you look down on me for choosing to have a child while in college, know that I am a sorority member and an honor student despite having a child. Cutting funding to science is a definite mistake. DanielleD (talk) 06:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

What does

What does Florida agriculture department have to do with anything?--Kingdamian1 (talk) 21:45, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't know, it's a joke reason most of the time. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:46, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm a bit late but a Conservapedia user went on about how he was going to report RationalWiki for violating a law we didn't violate in a US state we're not based in and it became a meme, or so I'm told. Christopher (talk) 18:26, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Gotcha. And also, thanks for writing one of the few comments I receive that isn't complete filth. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:04, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Why?

Why do all these vandals seem to hate you? You're really nice. RoninMacbeth (talk) 03:28, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I think being female is sadly one reason. I really wish it weren't like this way since this stuff saps my morale. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 03:31, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

What, like what happened with DanielleD? (sigh) You know, sometimes I hate people. RoninMacbeth (talk) 03:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I think. And yeah, people suck and this world is full of those people, if history says anything. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 03:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Don't tell me the Princess is in another castle

Remember to stick your head in now and then, or I'll miss ya! All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 11:45, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Well, she was, which is why I was very busy. One thing, can you rename those nasty usernames in the block log to something a little better? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 17:28, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I would if I knew which they were! I assume it's died down on its own by now, though.

For some reason, I just sat re-reading parts of our exchanges with that BoN whom I've mentally christened 'Fluoride Man'.

It always amazes me to see how lucid of thought your writing is, and your good-willed patience with abrasive cranks is tremendous — verging almost on the self-injurous, I fear.

Too bad I happened to be busy just the other night. Don't let that deter you. All the best buddy, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 13:39, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Much thanks for the support and compliment. Means a lot to me. It works both ways, trolls and frustration easily drain me, but compliments I accept also raise me. And yeah, I'm glad I'm able to argue that way even if the backfire effect applies; it's really to help me and I enjoy arguing on things I know tbh. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 17:50, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Your posts at Talk:List_of_scientifically_controlled_double_blind_studies_which_have_conclusively_demonstrated_the_efficacy_of_homeopathy#A_new_study_someone_posted

Might I suggest making an article at Individualized Homeopathic Treatment and Fluoxetine for Moderate to Severe Depression? Your comments would do as a fine side-by-side. FuzzyCatPotato!™ (talk/stalk) 20:43, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

I'll consider. Though I was actually considering making a big edit in Evidence for the effectiveness of homeopathy. It can get its own article, however, if I'm aware that the study has been cited a bazillion times in the past and I caught only two instances of it. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:49, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@FuzzyCatPotato It's done. If anyone can find any other comments on this study, it'll be great. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:46, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

1up

You've been nominated to the RationalMedia Foundation election. Please accept or decline here; if you accept, you may wish to campaign.

 All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 11:56, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Nice, but if I can provide commentary for myself, well, I'm probably the most inexperienced person here. I've read some of what these directors do, but I don't have a clear picture yet. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:45, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Purim Website

A miss click on recent changes maybe. Daev (talk) 23:30, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey!

I have started to draft part of an article on some of the worst accounts on YouTube. Can you take a look at it and see if the humor is good? Here's a link! The Rational Gamer, WonderKirby577_{Let's chat!} 04:37, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

I'd tone down on the strike-out a bit and I'm not sure overall if it's missional. But to make humor work, I think you can let the words and actions of the stupid and crazy speak for themselves for the most part. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 06:50, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

@WonderKirby577 I've just looked at your draft. And I say, "No. It's a terrible idea>" It doesn't belong on RationalWiki, not even in Fun space. We pursue cranks. We don't make fun of people on the internet simply for being people on the internet. Leave that to Encyclopedia Dramatica. Spud (talk) 10:15, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

@Spud

Dearest @WonderKirby577, I highly recommend you take the above two editors' advice to heart. All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 16:11, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I deleted it. Thanks for the advice! The Rational Gamer, WonderKirby577_{Let's chat!} 01:43, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Just thanks

I'm just saying I liked your limerick on the bored page. The Rational Gamer, WonderKirby577_{Let's chat!} 04:32, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Heh. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:45, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Wanted Sleep Article.

@LeftyGreenMario Hey, I did a thing! I saw that the page for sleep was quite wanted, so I made one! Sure, it's a stub, but it does provide a basic outline. The Rational Gamer, WonderKirby577_{Let's chat!} 01:52, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Issues

We do actually do agree on most political, economic, and social issues. I also have ADHD, but I have Asperger's Syndrome as well. --S.H. DeLong (talk) 20:22, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I assume it's high-functioning Asperger's Syndrome? Anyhow, it's not uncommon to see people with autism on the Internet. One gaming community I go to is FILLED with autistic people. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:34, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Sysop celebration! (sticky)

@LeftyGreenMario I became a sysop! And now I have attained janitor status, I shall knight you!

🧠Rationalwiki

Awesome Award

for LeftyGreenMario

Reason: being awesome

Thanks for being with me from the start. The Rational Gamer, WonderKirby577_{Let's chat!} 04:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Hey, you're welcome for the demotion. :) --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:32, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

I guess I can put it at the top of the page, heh. I just wonder how the archive bot works though... --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:14, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Games

I'm thinking of getting a PC capable of running Steam soon, so I was just wondering what sort of games you might recommend. I love RTS-es, but I am more than sympathetic to RPGs and platformers as well. You seem to know a bit about games, so I figured I'd ask you. RoninMacbeth (talk) 05:09, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

First, we need to narrow-down the genre of "RPG" as that is an extremely broad genre. And I think you'll probably like or be familiar with Starcraft, Warcraft, and Starcraft 2 so you should probably play those if you haven't already. Age of Empires also seems to be a good pick too. Otherwise, I'm not I'd almost advise Civilization V and its expansion packs but those turn-based, so not RTS technically. As for platformers, there is quite a bit in PC even though I'm familiar with are Nintendo ones, and those are exclusive to Nintendo systems unless you can rig an emulator and get some ISOs (which most people get illegally). You can, however, maybe pick up Rayman Legends, that's an excellent game, but you can also check indie titles which are fairly rich in platformers including but not limited to Spelunky, Shovel Knight (inspired from Sonic), Shantae , Freedom Planet, Super Meat Boy, and Child of Light (which is actually an RPG but with platforming elements). Some of these platformers, I warn you, can get pretty difficult. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:05, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

OK, thank you! RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:27, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Recent edit

Hello, LeftyGreenMario. I found your recent edit on the alt-right glossary page to be quite confusing. Do you mind explaining what you meant? I think trying to summarise your point in one sentence made it difficult to follow (at least for me). CowHouse (talk) 05:53, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

My point is that race is heavily correlated to how someone is raised (economic conditions) and can actively affect perceptions (such as racial profiling) that ultimately mold the mind, even if we don't like to admit it. Using blacks as an example, even from an early age, for instance, school teachers pay less attention to black students which in turn feeds into their self-perception of being marginalized (I just remember reading that from a textbook). And by definition, black people been raised by other black people who had their roots in a different culture. This is the same for Chinese and Korean people or people with that heritage; they're taught the importance of visiting their extended family (collectivism) and prioritize a good education over getting a job first. What I'm saying is that race is a part of culture, and culture does influence what you think. So saying "oh we value intellectual diversity" is, if you're honest, a vapid argument because race is largely tied with culture and culture (and its language) influences how we think. Racists, however, hate different cultures like the blacks and the Asian and the Latinos, so if they're arguing for intellectual diversity, it's a disingenuous argument. Keep in mind, I'm arguing only about race, but sex and gender also influence how we think. You're probably aware of the thinking differences between men and women already and there are also gender roles that affect how we think too.

So, the "we value 'real' diversity of opinion over physical diversity" argument ignores some of very factors which can lead to "real" diversity of opinion, physical appearance and the environmental conditions that are correlated with race, sex, gender (such as gender roles and racial profiling) all affecting how we think. The real argument made by the alt-right is really the opposite: they hate diversity, period, no matter how much they try sugarcoating! --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there a way to re-phrase the wording in your original edit to make it easier to follow? Specifically, "due to societal perceptions and the environment surrounding the minority traits that feed into each other".

You're definitely correct that it's a disingenuous argument coming from the alt-right. I very much doubt that a hypothetical alt-right country would value diversity of opinion in the slightest. CowHouse (talk) 02:06, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I'll try my hand at rewriting. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with AfD!

-【ＤｉａｍｏｎｄＤｉｓｃ１】 (talk) 21:05, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

No problem! --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:09, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

SPLC

This discussion was moved to Talk:Southern Poverty Law Center.

FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 19:46, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Provided revision link just for easy access when the page ever gets archived. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:41, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Scott Alexander

Mind giving this a look-over? Thanks, RoninMacbeth (talk) 22:49, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure why the negative stuff is being scrubbed in favor of vaguer comments (though the "are regular and upvoted topics" should probably be sourced). David Gerad added the offending revision that Reddituser had a problem with, so you probably need this person's opinion. Reddituser did bring it up in the talk page and brought up points that aren't unreasonable. I think we should have to take the user's word for it, as the registry of bans seem to support the person's claims AND the ban has indeed been overturned. The mod who claimed that "A belief in HBD doesn't automatically equate to racism." has a bad opinion. Even though that comment hasn't been marked as mod policy, I still think it brings up a serious question about this mod's judgement piled on how the mod make a bad decision to ban a user at all. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:57, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Name Shortening

Do you prefer “Lefty” or “Mario”? —ℓσωℓу ѕуѕσρ вιgℓʝвιgℓ σf gσαтιѕтαи (ωσя∂ѕ σf ωιѕ∂σм/α¢нιєνємєитѕ) 01:14, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

It's really more of your preference, but people who know me by my amazing pseudonym usually call me "LGM" or "Lefty". --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 04:21, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

New Silly Template

Can you take a look at this? The Rational Gamer, WonderKirby577_{Let's chat!} 02:28, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I say tone down on the strike-out. :P --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:15, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Dealing with trolls

They are useful for writing warm up (and 'put downs') exercises and 'the vaguely amusing websites' one comes across. Anna Livia (talk) 21:38, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

And it is surprising how many obscure ripostes one remembers under such circumstances. Anna Livia (talk) 21:50, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't think they deserve a shred of attention nor I think you should spend time cooking up good retorts. Just a revert. Save your thinking time for people like Birdman. The more trolls do it, the more desensitized I get from them, so I don't know why they bother. I hope it'll be the same for you. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:14, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

They should be treated with the same snark as the other 'more stupid' subjects of RW - and 'making use of them is the best revenge.' Anna Livia (talk) 10:16, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

I Think Someone's Impersonating You

Is Republic your sockpuppet? RoninMacbeth (talk) 21:51, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

No this shithead is just using my signature to make me look bad. If I ever sockpuppet it will either be for security reasons and I will let you know anyhow. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 00:06, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Tomi Lahren

Tomi Lahren is a republican. How exactly is that at the far-right end of the political spectrum? ProudLiberal (talk) 20:36, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

@ProudLiberal: In the grand scope of things, especially if you include world politics on what's right and what's left (particularly in many spots of Europe and Canada), being a Republican MEANS being far-right. Tomi Lahren seems like a typical wingnut to me. On the other hand, maybe instead of "far-right" or "conservative", we can call her a "wingnut"? It's hard to call her a "conservative" when she has espoused blatantly racist views (though she has other views such as refusing to associate with the alt-right and probably being pro-abortion...), "conservative" seems too nice of a label for her. Oh, p.s. sign your comments with four tildes, ~~~~ --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:22, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Whatever the word likes to associate with far-right wingers is irrelevant, I'm afraid. Fact of the matter is that conservatism is not a far-right ideology. Hell, our own interpretation of the political spectrum says so. Could you cite some of her racist comments? ProudLiberal (talk) 18:39, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

As far as I know, she's not a conservative since she spouts out far-right beliefs. As you said, conservatism isn't far-right. Tomi Lahren is far-right. So it's inaccurate to call her a conservative. Our own article in the political spectrum says so: "In the gulag, the term has been conflated by many with very narrow social and religious prescriptions and co-opted by neoconservatism. During the 2008 election campaign, an article in Atlantic Monthly contrasted the old-fashioned conservatism of Edmund Burke with the right-wing radicalism of Newt Gingrich and company." Some of her racist comments are cited in the article, but one of them is branding Black Lives Matter being the new KKK, accusing Jesse Williams of exploiting black victimhood, assuming black men don't stick around to raise their children and ruining their children, and the remark toward Jay-Z. "'Your husband [Jay-Z] was a drug dealer. For fourteen years, he sold crack cocaine,' she fumed. 'Talk about protecting black neighborhoods? Start at home.'" They're all pretty racist if you ask me. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:49, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Circular reasoning. If I may ask, what views of her do you consider to be far-right and not just republican/conservative? (you personally, not RationalWiki on the whole). Her KKK analogy was referring to BLM activists calling for the deaths of Whites and Cops. So, how are any of those comments driven by her alleged anti-Black bigotry? The victimhood example, how could one possibly perceive such as racism? ProudLiberal (talk) 20:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Republican and conservative aren't interchangeable. In fact, our own wiki says that Republicans are a far-right party for quite some time (it now says "right-wing populist") but the rest of the beginning content talks about the slide away from moderate conservatism, so there are still heavy implications that Republicans are mostly far-right. So, let's get that out of the way. I consider far-right statements to be extreme statements or being a bigot. I think Tomi Lahren is a bigot because she lashes back and complains about "white guilt" when blacks try to express their race-related problems. Her response to "Black Lives Matter" as the organization being the "new KKK" and hashtagging "Blue Lives Matter" is a typical shock reaction made by racists, racists frequently employ the bullshit "blue lives matter". She is also a climate change denier and insinuated that Obama has a "jihadi mentality". Those sound like wingnut talking points, being complete nonsense and off-the-rails, I just don't see how that is circular analogy especially when other known far-right figures say similar nonsense like "Blue Lives Matter". The victimhood example isn't explicitly racist, but the reaction by deflection of race problems implies dismissal of real problems related to race and that should be an issue. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:38, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Yo, I'm back. Sorry for the absencce. I'm not saying that conservatism and republicanism are the exact same thing. But, in America, it's fair to consider the two synonymous. As conservatism remains the philosophy behind the Republican Party. So if you consider far-right statements to be bigoted and extreme, and you list Republicanism as something far-right; do you think the party is extreme and bigoted? Not accusing you of anything, just curiosity. White Guilt is a thing; there are people constantly apologizing for what their ancestors did. Granted, it may not a huge deal; but I could understand her reacting quite negatively. Well, her argument is that lots of BLM activists don't care about racial justice and have rather gone radical; harrasing and attacking Cops, White people. The Blue Lives Matter thing is also a response to BLM nuts lashing out against them. About the climate change denial and the Obama statements; yes, it's accurate to consider those to be extreme, I'll concede that one. She dismisses them because she thinks there's no racial injustice regarding police brutality. Now, I'm not actively supporting this, but there *is* an article on the WashingtonPost, indicating that 9 unarmed Blacks have been killed, and 8 Whites. ProudLiberal (talk)

I'll be frank, yes I do consider the modern Republican Party to be bigoted (or at least they give bigots a platform) though not sure how you'd define "extreme". Like, I think they're just far right or at least they pander to that group, but not extremist. White guilt is maybe a thing, but I think people blow it way out of proportion and, well, I think Black Lives Matter's existence makes a solid point between disparities in races, which is real. It is, however, a disorganized group so it's hard to label one action or the other as representative of Black Lives Matter. I also think police brutality is also blown out of proportion, though if I have to root for either, it's Black Lives Matter, but you know, it's not "either or" and it shouldn't have to be that way. Cops should be trusted and I also trust them to play extremely cautiously. I'm sure serious cops pay attention to the recent events of police mistreatment and tread cautiously. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:58, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

You can add multiple categories with the same HotCat edit

Click the +⁺ thing. Christopher (talk) 21:54, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:55, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Ian

Would you agree he is anti sjw anti progressivism? --Mr1.136.108.2 (talk) 21:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

It's more accurate to say he's far-right. It's not wrong to say he is "anti-SJW" and "anti-progressivism" but the former is meaningless given the abuse of "SJW" term and "anti progressivism" is more vague than "far right" (anti-progressivism isn't as specific and doesn't denote a particular spot on a spectrum). I had problems with your wording overall, such as substituting "laid off" for "don't work for the site anymore", which are two different things and unnecessarily changing "ideological discrimination". --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:23, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Problematic username

Why is "Aaaaaaaa" a problematic username? Am I missing something? CowHouse (talk) 06:54, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I think the name is incoherent and would make it too difficult to type (you have to memorize the A amount in the name). It also appears disruptive, like an allcap noninitial name. Maybe I was accustomed to more coherent usernames but there is no stopping the user to get a rename. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 07:16, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Fair point. I mistakenly thought by problematic you meant it was offensive in some way. CowHouse (talk) 02:46, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Moderator nomination

You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations.

CowHouse (talk) 06:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Finally I can edit your talk page

Thanks, vandals. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) 22:53, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Protection will expire much later anyhow. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:55, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Your complimentary hug is in another castle

Just kidding! Thanks for endorsing me! -【ＤｉａｍｏｎｄＤｉｓｃ１】 (talk) 23:08, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

No problem! --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:10, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Don't act like i haven't seen the "not BabyLuigiOnFire" part БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓^(T|C) 23:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

It's just DiamondDisc1 using USERNAME, so don't sweat it. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Loot boxes

Want to have a look? Zero ^{(talk - contributions)} 16:06, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

@Zero, nice, nice, I'm going to have a look. I hope this is also a start of criticizing game industry practices. I hope you saw my comment on the video game talk page! --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:25, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Good start! Here are some of my thoughts:

• You should be more specific with "This caught on like wildfire for the industry with many major titles for 2017 now adopting both cosmetic and power based loot boxes." Particularly, the "many major titles", provide more examples. You already have some select ones, but doesn't hurt to provide more. Also, you should probably link to the game's Wikipedia page and I also think you should note the developer and publisher of the game so people can easily find the repeat offenders. Once you find more examples, companies will keep cropping up: EA, Activision, Ubisoft, but you may find Konami, Capcom, and smaller ones, but those can be still noteworthy.
• "Most games would introduce these items as just cosmetics however." again, add game titles that do have "just cosmetics" for lootboxes. I know Overwatch is a well-known example, but try digging up other ones. Team Fortress 2 is another I can think of, but my library isn't too expansive because I don't play games with looboxes and the publishers for games I play thankfully don't too them (you can guess I'm the Nintendo type).
• People also argue "it's just cosmetics" but this doesn't excuse loot boxes and the games usually make cosmetics difficult to ignore. Also, cosmetics are an important aspect of games that shouldn't be denied to players, especially those that already laid $60 on the game. Free-play have more room to flaunt lootbox cosmetics, but cosmetics shouldn't be pay-wall locked. And there are still useless cosmetics like sprays and animations and those seem to be junk because publishers know people are after flashy skins. Finally, "just cosmetics" is not seeing the whole picture: you give video game industry an inch, they'll go the mile. If this is "slippery slope", it's not because this is exactly what happened.
• Mention the derogatory labels the industry uses for people who buy lootboxes and microtransactions: "whales" for those who lay a ton of money, "dolphin and trout" for those who lay less. I see "whale" most used though. The "whales" though generally have psychological problems, parallel to those with gambling problems. The thing is, there is no pay ceiling for those games usually; some games DO use a pay ceiling (I can think of some free-to-start Nintendo mobile stuff that let you unlock the entire game, no paywalls, if you spend enough on it). --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:04, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Added some more. Feel free to jump on it. Zero ^{(talk - contributions)} 17:29, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

J.Zoia

They're a troll who makes some non-troll edits, have a look through their contributions (e.g. their userpage). Christopher (talk) 21:02, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I suspect it's a troll who put a little more effort, but already blew its cover with its userpage. I think we should vandal bin it once it steps out of line. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:03, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Now I see what the user has done, I am thinking less and less the user is a troll. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 08:38, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey

Thanks for being a nice person! :) ♥♥Alyssa Bryant♥♥^{Leave me a note} 19:56, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey, you're welcome. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:58, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Essay:Video games are bad mmm'kay

this essay is awful and i really want to do a point-by-point complaining about it БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓^(T|C) 00:42, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

If you hate it so much, put it in the Category:Drive-by essays, make a remark, and there. Oh, you know the Essay author? It's Elvis is King. If you check that user's contributions, doesn't make very quality essays. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:03, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Concerning Elvis

How's this for a template? RoninMacbeth (talk) 20:40, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

I mean, I don't like giving a troll this kind of attention. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:42, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Moderator election results

See the results here. αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 03:38, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Hooray! I got it! When do I get my shiny new mops? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 03:39, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Congrats, Luigi!—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 04:42, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations to the new cabal (there is no cabal). Wishing you a happy and healthy term as cat herder. Regards, Cosmikdebris (talk) 04:59, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations! Your moderator position is in this castle.-【ＤｉａｍｏｎｄＤｉｓｃ１】 (talk) 06:23, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Congrats on a well deserved win! (and I do mean 'win'. If there were rankings you definitely came first) CowHouse (talk) 15:28, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

I also agree your win was well-deserved. Congratulations, and I am sure you will prove to be an excellent mod. RoninMacbeth (talk) 15:33, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations, Luigi! /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 16:29, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations! Christopher (talk) 16:37, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Ditto. Have fun!Ariel31459 (talk) 17:15, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks everyone! Except for you @CheeseburgerFace, go attach yourself to some balloons and shut up. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:47, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations, you leftist mushroom eater dreaming about damsels in distress! Thank you for ruining my awesome record of not getting blocked since 2016. Nerd (talk) 23:05, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

@Nerd It ain't awesome! You'll thank me later! --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Doxing

Is this doxing? CowHouse (talk) 02:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Doesn't seem like it. I do recognize this commenter's name, Narad (one of the regular commenters from Respectful Insolence), though I really don't think this is private information being jeopardized. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 03:04, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

You're gonna need to ban me if you're gonna pull this shit.

Calling shitty bullshit out is necessary and proper and I'm sick to death of mods going "oh ariel is just having opinions". You know it's not true. I know it's not true. You have to be able to call flagrantly dishonest nonsense what it is to have good discussions on improving the wiki.

The kind of surface level decorum you're trying to enforce with that decision is shit. It's awful. It helps no one. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 23:21, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Quick PS, I don't know what you think was "witty" banter, I am 100% serious that the things they're saying are garbage that reflect absolutely zero thought. You might have read ariels content-free replies and gone "oh ikanreed must also be doing the same thing" I don't know. But seriously, do better modding than this. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 23:27, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ikanreed

The advice remains the same: even if you vehemently disagree with Ariel (and I do think Ariel presents very weak arguments), refrain from insults and visible condescension. In other words, calling out "bullshit" is necessary and proper. Insults and condescension, not so much. I've read your argument and while your first post under your unnecessarily abrasive subsection header was overall substantial and informative, my issue was with the unnecessarily vitriolic subsection ("As usual the summary version is "Ariel is dumb and/or talking out their ass") and ending your otherwise useful comment with "head up your ass"; this sort of tone inevitably leads to Ariel turning defensive and providing more bad arguments. If you deem Ariel too stubborn and unworthy of sensible debate, don't continue hurling insults like that and keep your patience.

What caused me to label the entire argument as "witty" banter would be Ariel's "Thank you for general ideological perspective; what it lacks in detail it makes up for in colorful language." and your "Man, the muffled sounds of words out of ass aren't any less fartlike when condescending, weird." which both are, frankly, juvenile. You and Ariel also had a history of such exchanges and I'm using my mod powers to stop before the section gets too big with ping-ponging; this has also happened before and this also ended with FuzzyCatPotato closing it off. It gets tiring for people to read.

If you still disagree, you can also ask other moderators how they feel about my decision, but right now, the least I can do is provide a rationale for my decision. So, please understand.

--It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:52, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

James Earl Cash and Basic income

Hi,

please take a look at the edits of James Earl Cash to the page Basic income. After I added some criticisms to the section Advantages (also with the consensus of Christopher), and after a very long conversation (see the Talk Page), he deleted my edits and even half of the section Disadvantages. He pretends that I'm ignoring his points, but you can see on the Talk Page that I answered to them one by one, while he is showing to effort to have a honest conversation. --McLaghing (talk) 10:08, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

I have to say, I think it's pretty low that you're tattling the mods on me, while casually ignoring that you stopped responding to my arguments on the talk page to begin with after it derailed to our previous conflict, to say nothing of how you outright declared on the Stefan Molyneux page that you were going to ignore me after one exchange between us and edit war with me ad nauseum thereafter. Shit, this isn't the first time either. I saw you leaving messages on Bongolian and Christopher's pages as soon as I first removed your fairly small content on the Basic Income page. And you do it again. And you'll probably do it again too.

EDIT: The only reason I'm doing this here is because of the three mods you've went to over this dumb conflict, you've effectively managed to turn Bongolian and Christopher against me. Not even when I've had my nasty spats with other users did I directly go to the mods and beg them for help both without giving a clearer picture of the circumstances and failing to give the situation a chance to resolve by itself.

James Earl Cash (talk) 22:14, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Ox Horn??

Please explain, I'm intrigued LeftyGreenMario. Darthmaul (talk) 03:52, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

You got the wrong Darthmaul, sorry. Darthmaul (talk) 04:00, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Because I am the hammer (malleus > maul) against which pseudo science and theocracy are but nails. Maul means hammer, I added darth to make the name more familiar. Darthmaul (talk) 04:08, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Patrol and delete.

Please do so in that order. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 03:20, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Deleted pages should probably be automatically patrolled. Can we change that? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 03:24, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Did you ever get an answer to that question? If not, @Kazitor might be able to help. I am also curious about this. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 23:20, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Don't think so, but if I did, I would've forgotten. Silly me! --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:34, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello

Tips on how to become a Inquisitor (Or sysop as you human geeks say)? K0rnsbl0d^{Let the galaxy burn!"Kill!Maim!Burn!"} 00:41, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

@K0rnsbl0d The bar isn't high. You just need to make consistent good edits and try to follow our community policy. If you believe you're overdue to be demoted to syops, you can refer to your mother's basement ;) --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:45, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@LeftyGreenMario Sorry for late reply (since I was out killing some foes) but thanks. Maim!Kill!Burn! (talk) 18:21, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Edit Filter

So it turns out that Edit filter is a bot in that it runs by itself without human intervention. However, it doesn't have the bot user right, which is why it shows up on RC. RoninMacbeth (talk) 03:29, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Helpful to know. Thanks! --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 04:00, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

PragerU

Hello. Back when I posted about PragerU and their climate change denial, you had asked if there were transcripts of their videos. As it turns out, DeSmog Blog has a page on PragerU with a section listing their Climate Denial videos, grouped by author. Some of the author's DeSmog profiles have transcripts of the videos. 98.207.211.99 (talk) 19:20, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Didn't expect this page to be huge (wish they didn't embed a ton of videos)! I think it'll be a great resource to use for RationalWiki. Thanks so much. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Your comment on my talk page

1. What’s ‘plainly wrong’ with my justification? [and using ‘autistic’ pejoratively, for that matter]

2. Why is calling someone a nigga considered harassment? I didn’t meant to be offensive, edgy or funny. I used it like ‘dude’. As in ‘Dude, why did you do that?’ It’s just a figure of speech. Like when people say ‘mate’ with everything. The word doesn’t always denote friendship. And in the same way, ‘nigga’ doesn’t always denote hostility. Iamapartofman (talk) 16:51, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Autistic is unacceptable as any sort of pejorative. It's ableist, contributes to ignorance and marginalizing of autism, and it is thus on the same boat as using "gay" as pejorative.

I don't think your use of "nigga" is derogatory over blacks (unlike your being derogatory over autistic people), so I disagree over the reasoning of the ban, but it's generally inadvisable to use it, especially if you're new to a community. Also, it's not advisable to remove comments from talk pages, hence you got reverted in your talk page. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

It’s not about marginalizing autism or being ignorant of the condition. It’s just defining it differently. Definitions are descriptive and not prescriptive. [as RationalWiki basically agrees with] So, if enough people use the word autism the way I do; [and they do] it is to be considered a valid expansion of autism’s meaning. Besides, autistic as a pejorative predates the current definition. According to Wiktionary, it served to signal insanity. So really, this is nothing different from using idiot, moron, and retard pejoratively. And yeah, I probably shouldn’t have said nigga as people still tend to overreact when hearing the dreaded word. Iamapartofman (talk) 21:39, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

That's what you say, but most people use it to denigrate the condition. It's not just "differently" or just "description"; in today's context, it certainly means "stupid" or "socially inept" neither which are accurate descriptors of autistic people. It's the same vein of calling a hyperactive movie "ADHD" or people with ADHD meaning "lazy". Also, "retard" is also looked down as pejorative all while idiot and moron shed their loaded meaning. "Retard" not so much. Despite changing language, it's unacceptable to use "autistic" or "retard" despite their original meaning, just as how it's unacceptable to say "cunt" to anyone despite it being liberally used in the past and just referring to a woman's crotch. In the end, just like "nigga" and "cunt", it's inadvisable to use "autistic", so find other words to use so people don't get the wrong idea of you and also distract from your actual arguments. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:46, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

It really has nothing to do with denigrating the condition or hating autistic people. It's a means of insulting someone. Moron and idiot have completely lost their medical meaning, sure. But they too started out like ‘autist’. Give it some time, and it will become a benign, ordinary insult. And the stigma autistic people feel will probably evade away.

Also, while that is a rational word of advice, it seems rather pedantic that people would prefer to care about my language, as opposed to the content of my arguments. Would you rather have meaningful discourse, or an argument about how ‘unacceptable’ it is say a word? Iamapartofman (talk) 22:12, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Let me put it this way. If you came into a café or bar and started up a conversation with a complete stranger, would you use words like 'autistic' and 'nigga' in the context you did here while attempting meaningful discourse? I don't know where you're from or if it's acceptable for you to use such tone and language in your parts or with your peers, but in many other parts of the world that language may be viewed as aggressive, inappropriate or offensive. You simply cannot expect to come to this wiki and immediately use your local colloquialisms and vernacular and expect that those you potentially offend would look beyond your words and continue to talk to you. In some places using those words in a public space with complete strangers might get you a punch in the face. Here you use the term "meaningful discourse." You came into this wiki and immediately came off as a pretentious, right wing asshole. You certainly have a different definition of "meaningful discourse." If you use snarl words you're automatically going to put anyone else whose opinion differs with you on the offensive. That may be your style, and more power to you, but calling it "meaningful discourse" is just plain wrong. Regards, Cosmikdebris (talk) 23:19, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Nigga? No. No-one uses that word in my area. Not even black people. It just sounds awkward. Although I’d be alot more wary. Since certain people think it’s permissible to assault others over something as superficial as that.

I’d use autistic. There’s no tension surrounding the word here. At least not in my part of the country. [I live in the Netherlands]

Well yes, I guess we do disagree on what meaningful discourse means. Words can be offensive, but I’ll always consider the main topic to be most important. I can look past words. They’re just that. Words. They don’t have power, one gives them power. It’s unfortunate that RationalWiki doesn’t have this mindset. But fine. If I’m obligated to care about what someone here might find offensive, then I’ll acclimatize.

And I’m generally not this snarky , or snarly [if that’s a word] but that seems to be the theme of alot of RationalWiki’s articles. So I thought you people wouldn’t take such drastic measurements. Iamapartofman (talk) 23:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

"one gives them power"

by using it as an insult, you're giving it power to demean and exclude. Using that as an insult will give you similar reactions in other places (just as how you shouldn't use "spaz" in UK but in the US, it's more innocuous). S'yeah, would be a good idea to acclimatize if you get told to stop the first time. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:07, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Do you speak Chinese?

I am really a beginner at it myself, but I'm curious. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 02:36, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Nah. What I do have is Chinese heritage though, so I picked up a few words from my dad. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 03:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

I know more Chinese than she does since I did took it in high school. I don't remember much beyond extremely basic words and phrases, and I didn't do well in the class. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓^(T|C) 04:56, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

KD1

We have explained to him the necessity of being more discrete with his edits, as well as the fact that he can't just delete revisions without good reason. I think that, for the time being, he should be let out of sysoprevoke. Never mind, we're good. RoninMacbeth (talk) 01:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I concur. My only complaint was that he was hiding content without an explanation. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 01:04, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

All righty. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 02:34, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Do You Hate Conservapedia?

Hey, you seem to have a very negative view of Conservapedia? May I inquire, why? Are you a former editor? --Kingdamian1 (talk) 19:17, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I read about it through RationalWiki's lenses and I don't agree whatsoever about their policies, and I don't have a positive opinion on the site owner. I feel that if I do come in as a good faith liberal (which I would be because I won't pretend to be conservative), it's going to be fruitless. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Some annoying edit warring on the James Damore page with Ariel and he started becoming fixated on autism

That title spells it out right there. It became particularly problematic when he downplayed the implied racism of the whole thing and started saying that Damore was fighting for "autistic white male conservatives," later defending himself by saying there's a lot of prejudice against autistic people. I seriously couldn't tell if he was being facetious or not but I thought it was in bad taste. I blocked him for that specifically and strangely enough, he was...able to unblock himself? Anyway, sorry to bother you, but could you look into it just to iron things out and set a precedent? His nonsense is getting ridiculous. James Earl Cash (talk) 06:11, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't really have a stake in this myself, but since he's a sysop with blocking powers, he can unblock himself. I wouldn't recommend blocking other sysops because it's pretty pointless and really only earns you enemies. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 18:22, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Ariel has a propensity for half-baked thought patterns. Not sure why he's sysopped really. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:46, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

If you examine thought patterns and discern that they are unlike your own, pay attention, maybe: you might learn something. I learned a lot about transgenderism here on this wiki. I didn't come here with half-baked ideas about people, I came willing to learn and contribute, though with an intent to apply humor in a liberal manner. My idea now about you is that you are not in the least interested in the underlying scientific ideas of ideology. Well, that's a fact of life. I submit to your authority. But let me tell you something that you may not know about people with autism: for starters, they tend to say things that upset others, and they have a hard time learning how to calm others through friendly conversation, so they easily get in trouble with groups. Do you know what the mean lifespan is for autistic people? Its about the same as for transgender women of color, 35 years. Your intolerance and lack of compassion towards these people is disappointing. Ariel31459 (talk) 12:09, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@LGM - what ever happened to assume good faith? 'Not sure why hes sysoped really' is not a statement befitting of of a mod. AMassiveGay (talk) 14:24, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I assumed good faith initially, hence why I called out ikanreed earlier for insulting Ariel. But Ariel is repeatedly not understanding arguments and at a later point, it's starting to become infuriating. Just now, he's bringing up the Autism thing about Damore again. This kind of post again tries to excuse/downplay Damore's praise of the KKK and conduct with the "It might be autism" when he should be well aware, even if he had autism himself, that he's no qualified psychiatrist and even if he was, he hasn't spent any time face-to-face with Damore, so he is in no position to bring up that possibility. This is well after he brought up autism previously and the consensus on that discussion was that Ariel has no clue what he's talking about and dismisses counterarguments as "incoherent" and insinuates that we have been "triggered" because of his own nonsense. You need to read also this entire discussion where James Earl Cash has thoroughly explained his points and Ariel continues to grossly simplify his arguments and take them down. Check out this response and Ariel's retort.

There is also this discussion too where Ariel prompted me to explain my reasoning which he dismisses as "incoherent" because my bringing up conservative control of government and Kevin Willaim's ability to receive a platform despite being fired for his "conservative" views, like calling for women who get abortions to be hanged, both these narratives contradict Damore's argument that white males are being censored. Frankly, we're all tired at this point. The discussion about this Google Memo has dragged well beyond my tolerance for sanity. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:47, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

"Do you know what the mean lifespan is for autistic people? Its about the same as for transgender women of color, 35 years. Your intolerance and lack of compassion towards these people is disappointing."

^this kind of remark sums up Ariel's style of argument. I said that Damore's autism isn't relevant to this discussion and because of this, he thinks I'm downplaying the realities that autistic people go through (thus accusing me of being ableist).

He also treats me like I don't have a clue what autism is. He doesn't realize that autism comes in a spectrum and he is in no way qualified to "explain" to me what this condition does. Even if Ariel has autism himself, James Damore should be treated as another individual who has a different set of autism who expresses it in different ways, but is still subject to the same responsibilities and showing respect as everyone else. I think to bring up his autism to try to downplay his behavior is good-willed patronizing. Neither am I qualified to talk about autism which is why I said it's irrelevant to the discussion (and he then thinks I'm ableist for dismissing autism's problems); if Damore was diagnosed with ADHD, which is a condition I do have, I am still not going to talk about his ADHD to try to distract people from his actual arguments for the same reasons. This whole autism thing is a distraction. Speaking of ADHD, your argument would be like "LGM's ADHD causes her to blurt out statements that sound like she has a lack of compassion for autistic people, so it's mean to call her out on it because she doesn't have control of what she does." --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:51, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

what are you talking about? a difference of opinion on a talk page? i am shocked. you are a mod. suck it up. AMassiveGay (talk) 22:26, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@AMassiveGay: Perhaps instead of useless general statements like "Suck it up," you could actually give some advice on how to control the problem at hand. Besides, LGM is dealing with a difference of opinion on a talkpage that is the direct result of an edit war. She is actually doing her job by handling this. RoninMacbeth (talk) 22:35, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I believe criticism with poor reasoning and opinion should not be accepted into an article.

Also, you tell me to "suck it up" but you need to check the related talk page before you even try to make any assumptions conclusions about me or the nature of "it's just a difference of opinion". I have explained my position and my opinion on Ariel's argumentative style. I don't think he's arguing in good faith because he accuses me of being "intolerant and not compassionate", distracts from criticism of Damore by bringing up the diagnosis and stereotypes of autism, and so on. I've brought up those examples to bolster my points. I honestly don't understand what you're not getting from it (am I not clear, where am I not clear?) and then telling me to suck it up. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:39, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@LeftyGreenMario@RoninMacbethi have read through and i see nothing that isnt a difference of of opinion. as i said you are a mod. 'suck it up' in this case is a entirely reasonable suggestion, particularly when you are questioning why they are sysoped. i refer you to the main page 'We welcome contributors, and encourage those who disagree with us to register and engage in constructive dialogue.' that used to mean something and i hope it still does. if the dialogue hasnt been constructive, Ariel is far from the only offender. an even hand is required here. AMassiveGay (talk) 09:59, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

See? That's more useful than just "suck it up."

The way I see it, the current dispute is whether or not the article should take Damore's neurodiversity into account. Am I correct in this assessment? 15:11, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough, that's a better response. I still highly disagree about stating about Damore's autism. I still stand by the "proceed with caution" approach when it comes to neurological disorders. Bring it up only when it explicitly and specifically refers to it as the disorder label carries weight. A way to settle a difference of opinion is come to a consensus in the talk page. There's a clear consensus against Ariel, hence his changes will be reverted whenever he likes it or not. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:54, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

A bit late to the party, and a lot to sift through. I should say something given that I brought it up to begin with. Sorry if this is a bit long.

My take is that Ariel shouldn't be so casual with a sensitive subject like autism, especially after others call him on it. He first tried to change a sentence in the last paragraph of the Damore article to say that he was fighting for "autistic white male conservatives." That was untrue and strangely specific which given the harsh tone towards Damore in the final paragraph, read like something you'd find on a hellhole like Encyclopedia Dramatica, so I told him to knock it off. He did it again, practically concern trolling me by asking if I was denying that Damore was autistic in the history section which was well beyond the point, so I reverted it again, and he made another edit with the same focus on Damore's autism, this time leaving a note that autistic people face a lot of discrimination. This whole thing could be very well read as concern trolling and sarcasm, especially considering that it was happening in the middle of an edit war between us. An edit war I might add that only shortly happened at the end of a heated exchange between us because, shock and horror, I took the piss out of someone that he liked. I'm still not sure what the reasons about including Damore's autism were, but even if you're having an online pissing match with someone, when someone asks you to stop? Maybe don't treat the issue as some cheap points to score. James Earl Cash (talk) 05:19, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

His reasons amount to "autism has certain problems where people lack empathy and so it may have caused him to say things he didn't mean". That's my guessed angle. But I do think that's stereotyping those with autism and unless you're his psychiatrist, speculation about his behavior and how it relates to is not appropriate nor in good taste. That Ariel replies with "you don't care about autistic people" is not constructive and it's grinding on my patience. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:54, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I apologize for irritating you over this matter. It was unwise for me to be censorious. I confess to having lost my temper. I, myself, will not bring up the subject again. Ariel31459 (talk) 02:26, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

No worries. I actually had a tough day that time, as I have no income (looking for work) and just gave up $397, virtually my entire bank account, for the vet because my budgie was developing gout / arthritis and my parents didn't really want to pay. So naturally, I think I was snappier that day. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 06:24, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

I understand worrying about a favorite friend. My cat is almost 18. Sometimes I get teary-eyed when I look at him. The jobs report was good they say! Have courage about that job. Ariel31459 (talk) 20:33, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Ace McWicked

Can you 'deal with' his personal information - as he was responding to my comments I am trying to do 'the reasonable thing': I have other things I prefer investigating. Anna Livia (talk) 09:45, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@Anna Livia I would strongly advise that you watch your language. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 10:54, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

GC - what is your problem? I merely stated that it would be possible to do a certain thing if someone else wished to do so (and I have no intention of doing) - and I am not the person using 'words others find unattractive or worse' - thus I am trying to avoid a situation being created.

I gave no indication of what else I am investigating etc (which has very little to do with RW). Anna Livia (talk) 17:03, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@Anna LiviaTo be entirely fair to Ace, I can understand why he might think that was a veiled threat. Given that we have experienced issues with doxxing here before, and that you two didn't exactly get along, and the general issue of reading tone in internet text communication, it's kind of easy to misinterpret what you said. RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:08, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I was telling Ace to remove the relevant information #because# it could cause problems - and got 'words that some people do not care for.' I may 'argue the opposite case' with certain people but I don't go further (and if 'they just reiterate the same arguments' I get bored and go elsewhere). Anna Livia (talk) 17:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's the issue? I do wish I got a link and maybe a link to the offending edit. Are you talking about the "bear in mind" subsection? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:18, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes - assume I watch things like 'Heir Hunters' etc so know what can be done - and I do have more interesting things to research. Being against excessive use of 'words that others dislike' is a valid viewpoint (such words do have their appropriate place(s)). Anna Livia (talk) 23:00, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Look, I don't disagree, but I also know when I can't change someone's viewpoint and so I stop. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 00:25, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

There are various issues under consideration - someone providing enough information to be identified in Real Life; the persisting use of 'language that annoys' more than is appropriate/humorous etc; the way in which RW is seen (and treated) by its users and passers-by etc - and saying there could be a more robust editorial policy is not the same as 'But I thought this was Rationalwiki' etc. Anna Livia (talk) 09:08, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

what in the fuck is this fucking nonsense? Deal with me? Doxing? Jesus mutha fucking Christ, Anna. Get the hell over it man - you are making some pretty serious overtures. It’d be wise to discontinue your little campaign. Who the fuck do you think you are you weird little lamb. Aceⁱ⁹ 10:17, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

I am making no accusations/overtures - 'just being helpful' (and various points refer). Its your problem Ace - and I have the Wikiverse and beyond to explore. Anna Livia (talk) 11:29, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

If you're going to drag some drama, I'd rather not have it continue taking place on my talk page. Thanks. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:20, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

yeah sorry my man, I’m just totally confused. Aceⁱ⁹ 19:52, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

it's fucken cool, all right dawg? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 02:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Some people find inappropriate invective a non-incentive to improving the information in-wiki etc (and there #is# a wikverse to explore), and will affect the 'tone' used. Anna Livia (talk) 10:32, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Are you a particularly advanced spambot Anna? ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 11:54, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

The ‘tone’ of RW, in particular the talk pages, has always been loose and free of rigid standards. I you feel so strongly Anna instead of pointing out my language you should be instead raising it as a site wide concern, gain support for your position and influence change via the community. Otherwise you’re fighting a losing battle because I ain’t changing my style for your fucking little raised heckles. Aceⁱ⁹ 12:26, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

GC - I can alliterate if it pleases (and alliterate if it doesn't please). Ace - be very careful what you wish for (and have you looked at some of the more outré fanfic?) Anna Livia (talk) 13:07, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Out I’d respect for Mario I’ll stop commenting on his talk page now but good luck Anna, I’m sure the community will swing in to support your vote to change RW’s tone and ban/limit swearing when it annoys you. Aceⁱ⁹ 13:10, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes please stop, people. Last warning. And by the way, I'm female. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 14:22, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm with Ace on this, stop being a cunt Anna. (Sorry, I just couldn't help myself...) What a Wonderful World (talk) 14:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Try stop giving foul mouthed trolls a bad name - it impresses nobody. Or create MGTOWTrollwiki and the women will leave you to your own devices. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:52, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Try not logging out to make it look like you are someone else, Virgin Media Business Customer UK ;] (for those unaware, that's an ISP, not dox). What a Wonderful World (talk) 16:40, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Wrong answer. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I warned you. Please don't complain that I blocked you. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:55, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Okay, I'm extremely hyped for this. I just hope it'll have a story mode in the vein of the Subspace Emissary, because that was definitely the best part of SSBB. I'm curious about your thoughts on it -- do you think it will be good or a flop? /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 03:12, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

OMG someone else also in to video games. I'm hyped for Smash Bros. Ultimate as everyone returned from the previous games, even assumed longshots like Pichu, Young Link, Ivysaur, Snake, and Squirtle. The newcomers didn't impress me. I don't really want Ridley. Inklings are all right, but they're forgettable to me. I think Smash Bros. Ultimate is going to be good, as every single Super Smash Bros. game is great and lived up to the hype for me. Of course, there's always a first time, but I don't like to think about how Nintendo can screw it up. Brawl is widely considered the weakest gameplay-wise, so I don't see how anything can be worse than Brawl. Brawl does have a story mode, and while I do think it did a bit to help with the single-player content, I myself can do without a story mode as I spend by far the most time in the Versus mode. I'm definitely going to look forward to modding the game!

P.S. Mr. Red-Hat Plumber Hazubendo looks absolutely adorable and I'm pretty glad he's not as royally pissed as in the previous games. I'm looking forward to using him, his small animation changes are really neat. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 03:56, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I think Ridley being in it is cool, but I hope they don't screw up the size and anatomy too badly. It also sounds like there might be some newcomers as DLC or additional announcements for more clone characters/Echo Fighters, which is cool. I'm really glad that Ice Climbers made a comeback; I missed them in SSB4.

Honestly, I didn't mind Brawl's gameplay that much, but Nintendo would do best to keep away from it considering how much the Smash community hates it. I only have one set of Joy-Cons and I don't really like multiplayer in general, so a single-player story would be great for me. (And anyway, SSBB's Subspace Emissary was 2P.) It never really seemed like there was a big modding community for SSB4, but maybe it'll change for Ultimate. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 17:29, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Have you seen any footage of Ridley? I have, a little but I don't really care if they nail Ridley down because I've seen earlier fan attempts at Ridley and they always look "meh". I do think they'll add more through DLC, as I remember they did say not to expect much new characters, which is fine because everyone at least returns. I'm glad the Ice Climbers are back, though it's expected they'll be back because they're gone only because system limitations of the 3DS and possibly 8-Player Smash for the Wii U.

Smash isn't horribly fun by yourself and without mods, at least if you don't play like how I do. I generally play Smash with my sister on the same team and we decide to beat up the CPU, particularly Wario. I don't play much multiplayer beyond couch team-up fun, though. I hardly touch online, and just how we play is really unconventional. I think SSB4's modding community is substantial and big enough for me, but maybe not as big as Brawl's, if we're going to go by moveset hacks. I still think we should give the modding community some time, though, even if the bulk of the modding seems to be skins. I will look forward to Ultimate modding though, as Smash 4 mods including custom music, skins, and sound effects/voices substantially increased the shelf life of Smash 4. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:54, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I haven't seen much footage of anything tbh, as most of my information about it has come from IGN and the official website. And yeah, Smash not being fun by yourself is why I want a story mode back, because that makes it much better. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 19:35, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Cyberpunk 2077

I know you like Mario games but are you also interested in CDPR's upcoming title as well? ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 17:41, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I actually haven't heard about it, and I have a limited budget, so I tend to be pretty choosy about what games I'm looking forward to. It seems cool, though it's another open world game (open world games are still kind of a hot thing right now, and we had half-assed open worlds like No Man's Sky and Dynasty Warriors 9). Is it like Fallout or Skyrim by any means? The FPS RPG open-world aspect reminds me of it. Oh... CDPR is the same studio behind the acclaimed The Witcher 3? Man, I need to catch up on some video game news, this game has been around since 2013 and I don't particularly care if it has a console version, I'd play the PC version of games. I love PC gaming, though I have a very limited library and scope right now. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:54, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

CDPR is indeed the publishers of the Witcher game trilogy (of which I am the proud owner of all three titles, plus the orginal short stories and book series that the games are based on) and they've claimed that it will be BIGGER than the Witcher 3. Add to that that I'm a pretty big fan of the Cyberpunk and Post-Cyberbunk genres and you'll kinda get how hyped I am. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:09, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh, and the projected release date that almost everyone is expecting is late 2018-late 2019. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:11, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

It's sad, I don't know much about those games but I'd like to give it a spin if I had the time and money for it. Nintendo fans are often kinda lacking when it comes to palettes. I don't really play games for their story though. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

As a dedicated PC gamer (I am not buying a new console every single year, F*** you Xbox and PlayStation, aka Microsoft and Sony) I'm fairly certain that CDPR will stick with the publishing model (their first Witcher game is actually called "The Witcher (PC)" and marketed exclusively for PC Gamers) they've used for almost all of their previous titles, which is to release them on both consoles and PCs. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:24, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Language

There #were# two separate issues - 'too many details' and Ace trying to goad me (rather than 'fair comment, my taste your taste').

And - as I have said before while most people will accept that RW is more boisterous/uses more colourful language than some other parts of the wikiverse, the tone of some contributors will affect perceptions and how (much) others will interact on it. Anna Livia (talk) 22:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Let. It. Go. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 22:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Fish whack thing

I love it. Aceⁱ⁹ 02:14, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I wish I could do it in real life when someone says something particularly silly. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 02:15, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

It's only fair! I told Anna Livia to stop and she didn't stop so she had to know what's coming. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 02:16, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Try developing something that will not annoy the Society for the Protection of Animals in Cyberspace.

The actual issues raised still have to be considered (as do others flagged up by 'But I thought this was Rationalwiki!').

As I have said in other contexts - the wikiverse is large and RW is small and I can adapt what I contribute where. Anna Livia (talk) 09:11, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Did Some Atheists Movements Contribute to The Victim Cult

Ok, so atheist organizations can be helpful and sometimes necessary, since losing faith can lead people to suicide, hopelessness etc. and having a group of people like you can be helpful. But I am wondering if some atheist movements resemble the SJWs and even perpetuate this cult of victimhood. For example, I was reading about the National Day of Prayer in the USA, and I saw that the Freedom From Religion Foundation stated a legal action to have this holiday removed because it caused a "feeling of alienation". Even though NO ONE is REQUIRED to actually pray or anything like that. Then I observe some that lobby for the removal of monuments, like crosses and others try to use BCE and CE instead of BC and AD to make it more "inclusive". Now, this behaviour is PAINFULLY close to SJW butthurt and victimhood culture and microagression stuff. Am I the only one who notices this? --Kingdamian1 (talk) 17:51, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

"since losing faith can lead people to suicide, hopelessness etc."

Citation needed. Not denying that having a crisis is difficult to go through, but I doubt it's that damaging.

Given how diverse atheists are, there are is no doubt if there are atheists who rely too much on their victimhood to attack tolerant religious people. This is pretty obvious; you will always have crazies in a huge fanbase.

I think Freedom From Religion Foundation have a point because they contest that National Day of Prayer constitutes an endorsement of religion, which violates the Establishment Clause "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." <- "respecting" is interpreted as "endorsement".

On monuments, most arguments against removing monuments generally concern those in public spaces like in legal courtrooms and public courtrooms, which goes back into the Establishment Clause. BCE and CE arguments generally try to veer away from the Christian-focused dating as it overcentralizes it, but it's not widely adopted and I do believe BC and AD now more or less became secular.

On these examples you provided, I disagree with your stance that it's "painfully close to SJW butthurt and victimhood and microaggression." These arguments have serious legal standing as I pointed out. If there's a culture that engages in SJW butthurt and victimhood and are easily offended, it's the Christians who find mildly provocative atheist outreach billboards "offensive".

• Atheist Bus Campaign and one response from a guy; "Ron Heather, from Southampton, Hampshire, responded with 'shock' and 'horror'" at positive messaging of "there's probably no god and please enjoy yourself". Wikipedia: "By the end of the year, the ASA had received 392 complaints about the adverts."
• "Atheist holiday billboards cause uproar in Monroe".
• "Nebraska Atheist Billboard Promoting “The Good Life Without God” Comes Down Following Complaints".
• Even a small bus ad that simply says "atheist" is too much for a lot of people.
• This article by the conservative site being butthurt by an, I admit, provocative billboard and kind of misses the point of those billboards.

If there's one group that has the butt burning, it's certainly not the atheists. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:59, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Blocks

... only work if the IP user hasn't signed off for the evening. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 13:55, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

So? If they come back, impose longer blocks. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:13, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Modern "Art"

Why do you support the modern, minimalist art? All white paintings, urinals, My Bed? Do you think that the SOLE purpose of art is to be an expression and arouse feelings? Is that it? --Kingdamian1 (talk) 01:14, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

What do you think it is if not a depiction of something intended to evoke feelings? /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 01:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Wait, you do not believe that NOT all art is on the same level, and that museums specifically exist for this purpose of preserving art deemed to be significant? Do you not think that this[1] cheapens the WHOLE IDEA of an art museum? --Kingdamian1 (talk) 01:59, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Sure, I'll accept that museums preserve art considered significant. I don't think something must be beautiful or emblematic of holiness to be significant, however. Fountain is very significant to avant-garde art. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 02:38, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Can I ask you a question. And I hope that you do not take it the wrong way. If I were to ejaculate on a canvass, this would certainly arouse all kinds of emotions, and it would be a statement, an original work and a form of expression... Now if an art museum decided to display my sperm on a canvass in their museum, would you say that the standards of art dropped from the times of Rennaissance or not? Why or why not? By the way, do you speak Georgian or Russian? --Kingdamian1 (talk) 03:34, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

It's quite clearly art. Rather gross art, but art nonetheless, and I don't believe that there's an objective way to evaluate whether standards have decreased. I don't speak either (well, I know how to say hello in both and I can kind of read the scripts, but that's it), why do you ask? /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 03:53, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Before going any deeper, you would not be able to see a difference in standards of evaluating the amount of work, difficulty, aesthetics etc between a museum that accepts jizz stains and a museum which contains the School of Athens? P.S I asked, because I noticed you created the page about Georgia (country). And I speak both of those languages--Kingdamian1 (talk) 04:23, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Wew, nice strawman there. There's absolutely a difference in standards of evaluating the amount of work and difficulty, but not "standards of art." Like I've said before, the point of art isn't to be difficult. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 19:06, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

That is what I meant. Haven't the standards dropped for what is considered museum worthy, if You can foresee a time where jizz stains are accapted in museums? --Kingdamian1 (talk) 21:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

I would argue that the standards were never based on difficulty, but beauty would perhaps be the case. Changing those standards are not a bad thing. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 21:57, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I'd pay money to see that on its opening night. Only on the opening night though. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 21:54, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Usually, people try to invoke a feeling of intellectualism behind a simple "jizz stain". Like, they're trying to communicate a thought and challenge what is "art" and what is "good" art. You really need to read up on modern art history, Kingdamian1, you'll understand more and you'll be better prepared to have this sort of discussion. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:41, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

An example of Avent Gaurde implications of this theoretical piece could be calling into question the way much of the world views sexuality, i.e. with revulsion and shame. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 22:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

I'll confess that I'm not actually that well-versed in art or art history, but know just enough to challenge KD's assertions about how modern art is low-bar. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 22:52, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Socialism is a neurological illness --Kingdamian1 (talk) 23:30, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Neurological indicates that one's physical brain is formed differently than normal (i.e. the social average) within the womb which in turn indicates one cannot change one's views. I have changed my political views numerus times as my knowledge and understanding of the world grew. Sadly, most of the American right wing cannot seem to do the same. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 23:38, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

In addition that last comment from you was a rather childish Ad hominem attack. Are you asking me to treat you like a child? ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 23:42, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Accusing others of having neurological illnesses because you have no idea how to actually counter their points is a neurological illness. :^) /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 23:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

"Socialism is a neurological illness"

Oh, jizz off. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:52, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

But it is, though, isn't it? You people refuse to accept that a jizz stain is inferior to Mona Lisa. Others, in non-art sphere, support Free (higher) Education, rejection of nationalism etc etc... these are not signs of a healthy mind! --Kingdamian1 (talk) 00:02, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

One: I'm not a socialist. Two: you need to brush up on your knowledge of neurology and psychology if you think rejecting nationalism and supporting free higher education are not signs of a healthy mind. Not to mention that many socialists are nationalists. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 00:07, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

I would correct that sentence. You do not "call yourself" a socialist. Big difference from not ACTUALLY being a socialist --Kingdamian1 (talk) 00:10, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Lmao. Do tell me how I'm a socialist, dear. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 00:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Ok. Cultural Marxist, Conservative hating, anti free market, Bernie supporter etc etc etc... I don't care what you label yourself... It's the same thing --Kingdamian1 (talk) 00:16, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

And where have you gotten this information about my beliefs from? (also, lol @ hating conservatism makes you a socialist) /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 00:17, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Never argue politics with someone who sees only in "us" vs "them". ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 00:20, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

What do you mean by "us" vs "them". You have openly stated that you think a RIGHT of a nation to have a nation (nationalism) is xenophobic, and advocate gang rape open borders for Western Countries... Why would I be on "your side". I like my country independent! --Kingdamian1 (talk) 00:23, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I don't recall ever saying anything about thinking only "Western" countries (whatever that means) should have open borders, or even thinking any country should, and neither has GrammarCommie to my knowledge. Your pigeonholing of political ideologies into "socialist" and "conservative," one of which is always evil, is what GC is referring to. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 00:26, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

No... Socialism is an economic system... It is an opposite of capitalism not conservatism. That being said, usually many people on the left can be clumped into almost identical pots. Not always, of course, but it is surprising to see a leftie who doesn't sympathize with socialism --Kingdamian1 (talk) 00:29, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Ah. So might you explain how disliking conservatism makes me a socialist, since it's not equivalent to capitalism? /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 00:30, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

But I did not say that... I said that it doesn't matter how you style yourself (one of the examples of how you might style yourself was "conservative-hating"), you have these Cultural Marxist, Socialist ideas. I might not refer to myself as a right-winger, but I clearly am! --Kingdamian1 (talk) 00:32, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Ah, but you did. Allow me to quote directly from above:

"Do tell me how I'm a socialist, dear." -Spriggina

"Ok. Cultural Marxist, Conservative hating, anti free market, Bernie supporter" -KD

I'm rather titillated by you thinking I have socialist ideas (ignoring the "cultural Marxism" thing because it's repackaged Nazi propaganda and you've already been told that it's BS). Again, where have I expressed such things? /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 00:35, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what you label yourself, if you support socialism, you are a socialist! --Kingdamian1 (talk) 00:40, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Good job completely avoiding everything I've said so far. You're quite talented at going in circles over and over again, but I'm going to squeeze some reason out of you if it's the last thing I do. So, again, where have I expressed support for the ideals of socialism? /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 00:42, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Cultural Relativism. You support cultural relativism... Usually, socialists do that --Kingdamian1 (talk) 00:45, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

^{[citation needed]}, and nowhere in the definition of socialism is a mention of cultural relativism. Try again! /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 00:47, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Actually social equality is a common theme from the center-right to the mid-left. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 00:49, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Are you telling me you are not a socialist? Also, socialist right = Right in Name Only --Kingdamian1 (talk) 00:50, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Whom are you talking to, me or GC? /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 00:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm the only openly socialist user active on this website KD1, that is to say almost everyone here is to the right of me. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 00:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

The first part was addressed to you... Also, GC, "openly" is the key word there... Almost everyone here is a socialist --Kingdamian1 (talk) 00:55, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

No, they are simply not raging Fascists bordering on Nazis. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 00:58, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Yes, I'm telling you I'm not a socialist. I do not believe that the workers should own the means of production, disqualifying me entirely from it. I would best be identified as a Third Way social democrat with some flexibility. Also, should we move this to my talk page? The conversation is no longer related to LGM, so there's no reason to give her tons of notifications. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 00:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not contributing anything to this conversation. I just saw the word "jizz" popup. Carry on.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 00:59, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, would you be surprised if this idea actually took off? --Kingdamian1 (talk) 01:07, 22 June 2018 (UTC)^{— Unsigned, by: Kingdamian1 / talk / contribs}

I guess it's important for you guys to know, I endorse values bordering on socialism, if not socialism. I also really like Mario and also Mario's voice actor is left-wing. :) --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:36, 22 June 2018 (UTC)