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(This section was lost in translation so it has been archived prematurely humanbe in 20:24, 17 June 2007 (CDT))

Archive yo shit, Ames! And peep my new sig! GHammer and Sickle text.svgdlessLiberal 12:15, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

I was just chatting with Ames and he said he was sure Jtl would be doing it for him.:p --Ë. 22:31, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
I only archive material I notice has been removed and not archived. Has something been removed here and not archived? Also, why this edit? That section is still on TK's talk page. --jtltalk 22:38, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
I think AmesG's little laugh was that many try to notice too many inconsequential things in an manner that makes many feel unwelcome, and reminds him of other places where Sysops too tightly control things, is all. Nothing personal, Jtl...have some of our fine goat cheese! --Ë. 22:48, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
I'll let Ames speak for himself. Only one user's complained about the archiving I've done; at least that number have thanked me. Oddly, that user doesn't seem to complain when you edit his pages. --jtltalk 22:52, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

More trying to out people, Jtl? The "community" might not think that wise. Better check. Have some of this delicious Goat Fondue! --Ë. 23:06, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

More? Do you, too, object to people linking to Is there something to 'out'? Maybe if you don't like me talking about you, you should stop talking about me? --jtltalk 23:20, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
Maybe you should just stop singling people out and abusing your power? Now, I have been trying to have some fun, and you are certainly not much of it, so excuse me while I enjoy my cheese. --Ë. 23:24, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

(end premature archive section humanbe in 20:24, 17 June 2007 (CDT))


What do you want me to say? --Kels 19:27, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

Everything is still there, it will all be set right momentarily :). Good to see you on RW 2.0 Tmtoulouse 19:37, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

Check youre email, counsellor.--PalMD-Talk 20:15, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

Thanks, comrade!-AmesG 00:55, 23 May 2007 (CDT)


I'm busy as fuck, you're busy as fuck. We still want to get some top-quality shit on here. What's your vision? --Huey gunna getcha 21:55, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

As of tomorrow, all I have to do is work 8:30 - 5:30 :-). Then I can contribute!-AmesG 23:16, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
I too have an interest in the law and would like to contribute. I hereby elect you head of the law category. Could you devise some sort of very clever structure for the category and advise me what I might usefully do by way of contribution. --Horace 21:35, 23 May 2007 (CDT)


I have a few ideas up my sleeve for getting people interested in our project. At the moment I am trying to work on getting a solid article about the creation museum to submit to PZ Myers carnival. Myers gets about 20,000-30,000 views a day. Tmtoulouse 21:57, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

I wouldn't mind helping, but my brain hurts User:PalMD
I see your sock got canned. :( RAVEN 00:07, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
Yeah, dude. WEAK. Just for trying to push RationalWiki. I wasn't sure how much they'd read of the old RW, since they hadn't preemptively banned him! So I tried to deny it for a bit... but... I knew it was futile... sigh :-) -AmesG 00:09, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
  • FYI...Ames, all of it. Copied ever blessed page of 1.0, and some of them even before you guys had a chance to delete them, wild as the place was then, lol. --TK /MyTalk 02:04, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
Cool! Can I have a copy? I miss that slum. If that's too much work (come on, burn me a cd!), can you at least upload the template and image that was the "long knives" userbox? I only saved a few files, so I'm glad someone made an archive of that merriment! humanbe in 19:52, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Need help already...and from all places[edit]

Can we remove information that may identify me? Thanks. HGHeartOfGold talk 02:06, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

  • Gosh! Here for a matter of an hour, and already one blaming me for leaving! A new record! --TK /MyTalk 02:08, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
I am not blaming you. Where did I blame you? I resigned over a quantity v. quality perspective--which is a difference in values, and I am not sure you and I disagree on this. Don't misconstrue my presence here as intentional retaliation. If I wrote anything that appears to blame you, let me know where, and I will clarify it. HGHeartOfGold talk 02:16, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
Well seems as if you know, as you used the strike through, lol. I was joking around above, as these people have put the blame on me for everything but Christ on the Cross. Of course I could have missed that one. --TK /MyTalk 02:22, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Hey HoG! Hope you got helped; sorry I can't help now. Off to work. I promise I will try when I get back.-AmesG 08:01, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

your essay[edit]

Yo G, I should be working on merging that essay of yours with a copy of Andy's tonight sometime. Sorry I didn't get to it sooner. humanbe in 19:53, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Talk to me. I have been working with a "current" version of ashfly's essay, and he not only has added some new gripes, but the order has changed (he put new ones at the top). I'll have all the "text" available to me at user:human/sandbox2 by the time you read this, but you should guide me how to move it around (I have an easier to work on text version on my desktop) and add some new comments after that. OR, if you have the version you were mirroring bookmarked somewhere I can use his text from that (never mind, yours was dated 4/9 or so, he moved the file around 5/1 so history is probably lost). I think it would be cooler if you update it, of course. But you might also have a life, eh? humanbe in 21:17, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
Well, that worked out splendidly! humanbe in 23:37, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Human rocks. That setup is real sexy.-AmesG 23:39, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

gay is ok template[edit]

Hey, some of us were using that the way it was! Can you make another one? like gay-lawrence or something? Change the colors too, so we can stack 'em and have it be purdy! humanbe in 23:36, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, sorry man, now I feel badly :-( :-( :-(. I'll change it posthaste!-AmesG 23:37, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
No reason to feel bad after kicking butt on that essay. We should have easily 10-12 pro-gay user boxes. We need a furry one, too, for Kels! But, thanks for fixing it. humanbe in 23:43, 23 May 2007 (CDT)


If you have some time, and wnat to offer constructive advice, please see User:HeartOfGold/ChristianWorldViewEncyclopedia. Thanks. HGHeartOfGold talk 01:06, 24 May 2007 (CDT)


yo, i've done a postgrad work on theoretical physics. if you want a proper article on QM and ramifications of altering constants i'll break out my books in a few days time (tues) and we can get down to business... Airdish 02:34, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

That would be great Airdish! Try and get in a bit about how physics goes a bit of the way towards disproving God as well. -Icewedge 02:36, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Airdish, I would LOVE that. Please let me help you but I don't know much :-( .-AmesG 07:57, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I think "disproving God" is probably not a reachable goal. Showing him as "improbable" is easier.DocSock 07:59, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Agreed. I do want to see the physical constant page though-AmesG 08:01, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I lost my PW[edit]

I lost my password for HG (HeartOfGold). I changed it and forgot to save my password file. How do I reset it? I do have an email set up on my other account. Thanks. HG2 11:04, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Sock oooooh, ban him!!!--CatWatcher 11:06, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

faulty research[edit]

Ames G, In your zeal to slander, you erred with this insinuation,

Many creationists are in favor of the suppression of all dissident thought. Otherwise, the obvious flaws in their "logic" might be revealed. They also fear dissident thought, and in fact any difference whatsoever, and applaud cp:user:RobS|those who censor dissent. [1]

Please produce one singular edit Rob Smith ever made to any Creationist, or Evolution article. And note, I am a public person whose real identity is known, as yours is, hence Ames can not claim immunity under to Sec. 230 of the Internet Decency Act. Thank you. RobS 11:48, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Linking to my user/sandbox seems odd, why didn't you link to the older live version? Anyway (dunks my head in a nice cold bucket of water), I checked out your edit (removing the ref to you) and even on my power trip I saw no reason to argue with it. It still says what it meant, without the unsourced naming. Has someone reverted it? If so, I would expect a ref link to a diff at CP. If not, well, you fixed it and made it better. I came off my power trip and liked what you did. Just my .02, is all. humanbe in 16:28, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
If we're going to get all legal-like, "Many creationists are in favor of the suppression of all dissident thought." He doesn't mention Creation/Evolution directly. "But it can be assumed from context!" one might reply. Later in the article he makes the point that "conservative" and "creationist" are conflated. Whether that's true or not, he certainly seems to believe it. So, RobS doesn't need to be shown making an edit to a Creationist or Evolution article, but to a conservative or liberal article.
I have no dog in this fight, so I'm not going to go do the research, but if he's edited at CP much at all the odds are good that this has occurred. Were they censoring? I also don't know that.
AndyS has done these conversations no favors by pushing rules of trial law into conversations between "civilians," but if them's the rules then let's play, I guess. Aziraphale 17:06, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

RobS, you're right. I'll remove the reference, and I sincerely apologize. However, I take your language as doubly threatening - first, threatening me with my "real name," and second, by threatening legal action (?). Repeated legal threats will not be tolerated on RW. Be advised. But, still, I apologize sincerely.-AmesG 21:44, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I notice CP Sysops are being politically profiled in the fascism article. It may be helpful to advise your contributors on Sec. 230. The Wikimmunity article is available on my userpage. It only applies to the hosting service, not a person who can be identified as posting libelous and defamatory content in an open forum. RobS 10:37, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

RobS, I see you have retired from RW. That's probably for the better. You seem to have some... err... issues, and perhaps I didn't make myself clear, but legal threats are not to be tolerated here. I'll pull the "Act" you cite tomorrow and do a bit of research on it, but I pulled the law review article you cite. Did you... read it? Did you know that law reviews are not authoritative, or binding law, but mere suggestions? I don't think you knew any of this...-AmesG 01:22, 26 May 2007 (CDT)


It was too great--had to block you. I know you'd do the same for me ;) Flippin;-) 15:26, 24 May 2007 (CDT)


You may not have noticed my comment under the heading "law" above. --Horace 23:32, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

HAHAHAH!!!!! SO SORRY HORACE. My time here has been short lately, will you forgive me? As of right now I have no clue where TK and RobS are... could you fill me in on some exciting stuff that's happened here recently? I dunno what might be useful... but I'll fill in the page Law and let's use its talk page as a planning page for what articles are needed.-AmesG 23:40, 25 May 2007 (CDT) WTF was that weird-ass discussion about above?--PalMD-Talk 23:53, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

libel & defamation[edit]

Just out of idle curiosity, of course, are there circumstances under which calling someone a 'terrorist' might be libel and/or defamation? --jtltalk 01:27, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Probably not... would you believe we didn't cover libel, slander, et al in Torts? I had an awful Torts professor. FAIL, NYU, fail... but I'll look it up. I think my Lexis account is still valid for the summer?-AmesG 01:32, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
If I might contribute my two cents. Seriously alleging that someone was a terrorist would almost certainly be regarded as defamatory by any court in the Western world. And I so advise. --Horace 01:37, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
  • I would certainly be delighted to provide you with my Attorney's address for service of process, Jtl. Please make me a really happy man, okay? --TK/MyTalk 03:04, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
I have no intent to sue, TK. I was trying to subtly point out to RobS that maybe he shouldn't imply he would. It was the wrong tack to take, though, inflammatory rather than calming, so I apologize. --jtltalk 03:42, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Horace, you make me happy. Good man. I like it. Also, go to [[talk:Law]] to see some articles that might need doin.-AmesG 01:44, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

I will take a look, but not today (because I am about to attend a birthday dinner). See you later. --Horace 02:12, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
For months-later readers: that page is now at Talk:Law (disambiguation). --jtltalk 01:12, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

Concern is scientific?[edit]

Maybe it should be moved to metaphysics instead of science, or maybe religion?:) HeartGold tx 15:24, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

...When the majority of scientists fall on one side, and oil-company paid scientists fall on the other side, it's still science :-). Creating a "controversy" where there properly is none, does not make something metaphysics.-AmesG 15:26, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
Science is up for a vote? And why not also look at how the majority in question is funded? Ah, that could be a good debate for some other day. You need to attract more conservatives here if you want to have rational discussions--I can't do it all. Maybe you should put a "recruiting unsuspecting conservatives" on the main page? HeartGold tx 15:29, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

I guess I don't follow your last two sentences. But as for the first two, science isn't up for a vote but it is up for peer review & critique...-AmesG 15:30, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

This "science is up for a vote" gag has kinda been worn thin by the science global warming deniers. It's an overused tactic to try to discredit mainstream scientific opinion and try to exaggerate the so-called "controversy", largely driven by corporate and political vested interests. --Kels 15:32, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
Why not also look at how the majority in question is funded? HeartGold tx 15:46, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
Given that a great deal of science is underfunded, I would tend to agree. Although that's a total distraction from the matter at hand. --Kels 16:00, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Burden of proof is on you.-AmesG 15:48, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Conservapedia concepts[edit]

A few hanging sentences there at the moment.--Mad Min 11:31, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Thanks dude, I'll fix them! Help me write more :-)


This time it's really me. Nice to see you again, Ames. --Hojimachong 19:37, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Awww... Conservative would be so proud of you for abusing your powers! --Hojimachong 19:52, 27 May 2007 (CDT)


You gonna do an article refuting Jack Bauer's foreign policy skills? --Kels 21:22, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Maybe. I could read the Torture memo that Gonzalez wrote and comment on it...-AmesG 21:28, 27 May 2007 (CDT)
Good man, thanks! Not trying to pester, just giving a friendly nudge. --Kels 21:35, 27 May 2007 (CDT)
  • I wonder how one switches the point of an article about Olbermann going whacked on the air, to being something about the WOT? Oh, wait, it does when some are training to obfuscate in the courtroom. Sorry. Carry on. --TK/MyTalk 23:42, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Sorry if I am being too hard on TK[edit]

I am guessing that you view his shenanigans as tolerable. Shall I just put TK on the ignore list? HeartGold tx 00:47, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

  • Goodness, tantamount to trolling isn't your post, HOG? Since all I can see is me supporting you since arrival here, and on CP, perhaps you are privy to something I am not? (Darn thing logged me out!) --TK/MyTalk 01:17, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
TK, you have supported me at times. I am asking AmesG if s/he thinks I am one of the people making you feel unwelcome, and if so, should I put you on my ignore list. HeartGold tx 01:23, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Surely Ames is a boy's name. And, btw, I'm assuming that anyone who has a heart as a part of their signature is a girl. --Horace 01:31, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
In case your not joking about your assumption, no, Heart Of Gold is the name of a spaceship in Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. And I honestly did not know AmesG was a guy. HeartGold tx 01:34, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

LOL! nice! Heart, if that is what you were asking, most likely better for this medium to have actually said that. Just my suggestion. I think when you allowed yourself to be manipulated by others, such as the whole "plot" deal, and began to think it was true, your attitude and posts changed, as your messages to others. In a perfect world feelings wouldn't get hurt, and all of us wouldn't be guilty at times of allowing rumors to make ourselves shut out others. It isn't a perfect world. All any of us can do is leave the past, and all its buckets of shit, in the past, and move on. --TK/MyTalk 01:38, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

When did I say you were in a plot? That there was a plot, I think, is now admitted. It's effectiveness, I can only speculate. Whether or not you were in it, I doubted you were. Not sure how I was manipulated. HeartGold tx 01:41, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
I don't think RobS sending out some email, or anyone doing so, constitutes a plot. I merely am saying some here wanted others to believe that was the case, both my "involvement" and a plot as some actual fact. Was there plenty of speculation that someone who was about to be made a Sysop quit? Yes. About as much as my participating here is making. ;-) --TK/MyTalk 01:48, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Heart of Gold, I rarely care if people guess my gender wrong... I'm a big musical fan, so I'm pegged as a girl online very frequently, but I am male :-). So no worries! And as for TK, I really wanted to give him a second chance, but geez, I don't think he understands the meaning of the word "Truce." It seems as many times as we give him chances, he'll show his vitriolic side all the more. So no worries, Heart.-AmesG 10:09, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

I'd be more tolerant of TK if he were more entertaining, or at least more original. But honestly, the famous One-Trick Pony just looked at the guy and said "what else you got?" --Kels 14:12, 28 May 2007 (CDT)


hello Amesg, you might not remember me, as I never really communicated with you on CP. I just wanted to let you know that sockpuppetry is, well, deceitful. :)Bohdan 17:20, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

If that link doesnt work, I think you know its target. :)Bohdan 17:23, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Oh, that I know :-) . Pushing YEC is also deceitful though... but good to see you!-AmesG 17:26, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

I am no longer inclined to be charitable toward Karajou. He is a simple bully. And an asshole. And I'd tell it to his face if I wasnt permablocked--PalMD-yada yada 21:29, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Dude, I agree, but what'd he do to you this time (again though I agree)? Also, did you know that brownnosing Andy is TK's new favorite activity?-AmesG 21:31, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Yeah I saw his nose halfway up to andy's prostate. KooKoo is being the "enforcer" and bullying the folks in the Franklin debate.--PalMD-yada yada 21:33, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Is that you, Bohdan? I just named a UXB after you... Did you know your name is an anagram of "Oh, Ban'd!"? humanbe in 21:34, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Let me get this straight, TK is waxing poetic about how wonderful Phyllis is, based on the fact that she was totally fucking wrong? --Kels 21:37, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

I fail to see how spreading alarmist, hateful, insane & bigoted right-wing rhetoric is something heroic.-AmesG 21:38, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

They are going batshit crazy, esp andy, giving us lots to do. I love mostly because i had something to do with it.--PalMD-yada yada 21:40, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

It amazes me that a woman who managed to reap the benefits of feminism (college educated, etc.) can be so dead-set against the very movement that gave her those benefits. On the other hand I'm not at all surprised to see her lauded by this largely male group... --Kels 21:43, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Could someone please please do some commentary on this? I have to go pretty soon, but SOMEONE please, this is GOLD.-AmesG 21:45, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

sysop template[edit]

Thanks for the fixing the "retard", Ames, I usually sub in fucktard, just to not offend the developmentally disabled. Moron is better, as it is self-referential, so less "dumb". Dumbass would have worked, too. Maybe the word itself should be a template and we'll randomly change it?

"As a confirmed mustard bottle for taking ...." humanbe in 21:34, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

You make me sad...[edit]

...with your unblocks and the like. Okay so maybe I don't really mind. GodlessLiberal 15:49, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

I could use your expertise[edit]

You have far more knowledge of US law than I ever will, and you've gone to bat over at CP on gay rights issues before, so could you provide some insight over here? The specific legal differences between marriage and civil union are more your bailiwick. --Kels 10:40, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

I'll get to it ASAP when I get home; trust me that HG got a LOT wrong.-AmesG 11:12, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
I figured as much. The question is, how much did I get wrong? =P --Kels 11:16, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

And what about this? Would that be legally possible? MiddleMan

I need your help too...on Sodomite

Don't minimize the picture, it is funny[edit]

But if you insist, let me know, and I will try to fix it. HeartGold tx 23:04, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

The trouble is, it's huge and garish. Funny, yes. (realistic? no). I tried making it into a thumbnail, which is appropriate for something that large, and for some reason it doesn't work. Can you play with it in a sandbox until it works? Or do you want me to take a whack at making a smaller version that is still clear (I'd upload it under another name, to get your approval)? humanbe in 23:24, 30 May 2007 (CDT)


Thanks for the welcome and the goat! Ok, I have been busy reading, and only learning stupipedia is worse than I imagined. Whenever, however, I want to help. Just let me know, and show me how. Can I be blocked now for suggesting trouble? --E 23:40, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

My Talk[edit]

AmesG, please remove my account. While I have tried to show good faith by unblocking Leopeodeo, Wikinterpreter, several others, it is obvious my account here will serve as nothing more than a place for others to bitch about my actions at some other board, with different rules and expectations of what sysops are supposed to do. No matter how I address that, someone always has another justification or argument as to how I should have done something differently, and obviously most users here still judge what is done on CP by their expectations of what they should or could be, rather than what they actually are.
Since I was told by at least two bureaucrats it wasn't going to be allowed to hold my feet to the fire for actions somewhere else, and that hasn't been enforced, or even mildly suggested it isn't right, the only solution I can think of is to resign, which makes my treatment here good (and perhaps justified) revenge for some. However them treating me the same as they claim to have been treated elsewhere, makes them what? Would you please consider removing my account? Thank you. --TK/MyTalk 20:36, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

No objection to template removal.--PalMD-yada yada 22:19, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Thanks buddy. Sorry I didn't ask you first - the idea's funny but the pic's a bit...?-AmesG 22:20, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
You just gotta take the high ground and be rational and kind, eh? Bastard. Im gonna get me some goat.DocSock 07:26, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Listen to me![edit]

  • Why does everyone here refuse to follow their own rules? Why don't you accede to my reasonable demands? Why are you all so confused about how to follow rules? Make me a sysop! Bet you thought this was someone else. humanbe in 21:57, 1 June 2007 (CDT)


AdamSteve.jpg The Adam and Steve Award
For acts of liberalism so amazing, that they are unbelievable!

Awarded to Ames with love.
Display it with pride partner!

InfoWarrior's Handbook[edit]

AmesG, you seem reasonable. You are highly educated. Do you really approve of this? Bohdan 18:38, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for the compliments, Bohdan! I'll take a look. I'm busy right now but in a few hours time I'll review it.-AmesG 18:43, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

Bohdan, what's your problem with the article? Just curious.-AmesG 19:21, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

He obviosly like any rational person thinks things that are intended to promote distructive behavior are unaceptable. I would agree with him but....... -ĬŴΣĐĝё 19:28, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
Yes, that is the reason. I don't see why one must destroy something he disagrees with. I disagree with many of you on most issues, but I don't think that deceitful vandalism is the way to solve any problems. Its counterproductive, and serves no purpose but to alienate and divide.Bohdan 21:11, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
It's honest vandalism, I think. And I think the goal is to alienate and divide CP users & sysops. You're immune, though, as you were inoculated with the LULZ vaccine during your forays here on the Dollhouse side. Some people write articles about things, others write essays, some produce counter-terrorism pamphlets. We welcome all loonies, purple or green spotted, here. humanbe in 21:25, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

So Bohdan, I am opposed per se to things like that. I personally won't engage in them anymore; I have sworn off CP entirely, even as entertainment, as a result of my opinion on that. BUT. I consider Conservapedia to be morally bankrupt. It targets schoolchildren and inculcates them with not only false science and bad law, but with viewpoints that could actually damage them. Squelching contraception? Pushing reparative therapy? I consider it actively evil. Anything that can end it, even fighting fire with fire, is justified. Also, I don't consider the tactics evil per se. Rather, they expose hypocrisy and latent character flaws in the site. They're adding nothing. SO. I don't think it's that bad. I am sorry that I cannot join you, and I do consider myself reasonable. But I do not consider Andy reasonable.-AmesG 22:22, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

I'm in favor of it. Any structure that can't survive a little ideological dissonance is a BAD system and needs to be cleansed with fire. Look how CP treats anyone 'guilty' of even minor heresy against the Revealed Word of Aschlafly and His sidekick, God. Now compare that to THIS rat's nest of snickering anarchy--even someone using ALL the IW's Dark Arts would get. at most. a new laughs. Which system is more robust, and why do you think that is?
The basic problems with Conservapedia, as I see 'em, are firstly, a deeply delusional worldview, and. secondly, trying to enforce that worldview on the inherent anarchy of a wiki with a hamfisted editing regime that leaves half the interesting pages blocked at any one time, and the other half reverted at a moment's notice. And then you bozos complain nobody wants to edit anything! --Gulik 23:17, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
I must admit, Ames, I find your answer dissapointing. I do find the the tactics listed in this article wrong, especially adding false information. Bohdan 12:28, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Me too, adding false information is wrong, that's why CP has to go. MiddleMan 12:33, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Your answer is very revealing. Bohdan 12:35, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Oh, come on, besides that one suicide sock, I didn't cause to much damage (I don't even have a variable IP.)

But my answer stands, writing ICEWEDGE PWNS hurts no one, however lying to children about science and history does. MiddleMan 12:38, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

I knew that was you! Bohdan

Well, my loyal sock did use the MiddleMan IP... MiddleMan 12:58, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

I guess I'll throw in my 2 pesos. I think that if it is legal, it is probably ok in this situation, given the current set up. My reasoning below:
  1. Speech is best countered with speech
  2. CP is an open wiki
  3. CP publishes blatent, harmful falsehoods
  4. CP blocks those it doesn't like
  5. Therefore, anything that helps counter their speech and gets other views across is ok.
  6. If they close their wiki, the above is likely invalidated, as they have created a private space that is morally off limits.DocSock 12:43, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
This is flawed. Simply disagreeing with you doesn't mean they are lying. And it still gives you no right to vandalize and destroy. Is anything really OK if it stops someone you disagree with?Bohdan 12:46, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
I think it depends on how you define "vandalize and destroy". I mean, I understand where you are coming from, but if they do not want divergent view points, they can close the door.DocSock 12:48, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
Yeah, but I'm still against deliberate vandalism. Cp does welcome other views. Wouldn't it be better to contribute positively?Bohdan 12:51, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
"Cp does welcome other views." -- Bohdan
See that quote, there? That is what is called a BIG FAT LIE. I'll refrain from impugning your character or intelligence by speculating as to WHY you'd say something so obviously contrafactual in a forum crammed to the rafters with people who all have firsthand knowledge of HOW big and fat said lie is, but if you're going say it again, you might want to consider providing a little proof. --16:57, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
I have a great deal of respect for you, not least of all for agreeing to stick it out here. We welcome any views, just about. CP certainly does not. I think you can probably agree to that if you think about the EVO debate, and countless others.DocSock 12:52, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
I feel bad for AmesG's talk page. You have to remember though that CP is a conservative Christian site. Obviously they are not going to allow certain edits. I still think if all you liberals didn't get blocked and contributed positively, we would all be better off. Bohdan 12:56, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
Quod erat demonstratum. "Cp does welcome other views" "Obviously they are not going to allow certain edits". I do agree with you that they would be better off if that were not true. Allowing correct scientific information is not the same as, say, creating an article on why Jesus is Satan or some such stupidity.DocSock 12:59, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
Obviously they are not going to allow certain edits. You're kind of proving our point, here. If Conservatives are Always Right (tm), why are they (and YOU) so hell-bent on keeping certain inconvenient truths(r) off of Conservapedia? Printing the truth is not "vandalism", but in a tyranny, it's very subversive. --User:Gulik(wasn't logged in) 13:19, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Bodhan, maybe you are open to our edits, but TK and Conservative certainly aren't, if you wish to include lots of articles on the Bible and Biblical figures or advocate the benefits of a stable marriage vs promiscuity, then go ahead, but 1+1 is not 3, and all animals don't fit into a 150m boat, that's where CP crossed the line from being conservative to being looney. You'll see most of us libruls and moderates contributed almost exclusively to science related articles (areas TK and Conservative were not schooled in), because they were not factual, I'd call those positive contributions, but clearly TK and Conservative seem to disagree. MiddleMan 13:09, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Actually, I found that TK wasn't as into the ideological edits, mostly hunted down perceived "Anti-cp'ers". Conservative, on the other hand...DocSock 13:14, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
Oh, they've been schooled in them PLENTY of times now. :D --User:Gulik(wasn't logged in) 13:19, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

In the the weeks leading up to the Night Of The Blunt Knives, TK's Stalinesque paranoia overtook his anti-science drive, nevertheless it was there, I didn't mention Karajou, did I? MiddleMan 13:20, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Cheap shot and parting thought: If this is how Conservatives run a webpage, what would a GOVERNMENT made of them look like? Oh, wait... we're seeing it right now, and it plainly SUCKS. --User:Gulik(wasn't logged in) 13:19, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Apologies for cluttering up your talk page AmesG, I 'd just like to say to Bohdan (expanding on MM's point) that CP is already filled with falsehoods generated by the lunocracy. When editors who see through the lies and disinformation have attempted to write the truth they have either been reverted, banned or the article locked. Even trying to present two sides of an argument is impossible as one view is held inviolable while the other has to be dismissed with smears, overgeneralizations and spurious "facts". Rational knowledge is rejected in favour of bronze-age myths handed down through oral tradition (ever heard of Chinese whispers?) then committed to parchment, translated several times and regarded as the inerrant word of an invisible supernatural being. How come there hasn't been any further communication in the last 2000 years? Is God on vacation or having lunch in the restaurant at the end of the universe? If mankind is to survive we have to have rational common ground not name calling that my God is better than your god/goat/teapot/spaghetti monster. So subtle vandalism or mockery (a uniquely "liberal" trait according to Andy) serves to question the authority of people who think they know best. If something or someone is robust enough to accept mockery then it must have some value, note that the greatest opponents of mockery have been the biggest dictators in history. I could go on about this but maybe I'll save if for an essay Mocking Mohammed is not the same as Vandalising Conservapedia. Babel fishÅЯ†ђŮŖ ÐΣй†Now look here! 13:20, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
  • Your all getting off topic. Is it OK to vandalize and attempt to destroy something you disagree with?Bohdan 13:49, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
When it's actually HURTING PEOPLE, (which CP's not-so-crypto-fascist views do), then, yes. I'd rather disagree with facts and reason than with sabotage and mockery, but you hamfisted twits won't let us, so I use what I've got. --Gulik 16:50, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
Are you a Christian Bohdan? Because Jesus didn't think twice about his act of "vandalism" in throwing the money lenders out of the temple!! Babel fishÅЯ†ђŮŖ ÐΣй†Now look here! 16:56, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
  • Yes I am, and very true! But I fail to see the connection between what the moneylenders were doing and what we at CP are doing?Bohdan 16:59, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
There's also that bit about 'not bearing false witness'--I think that got thrown out (along with the rest of Jesus' hippie bullshit about 'helping the poor' and 'loving your neighbor') when Ronald Reagan came down from Mt. Sinai with the Third Testament. --Gulik 17:02, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
Bohdan, you asked if vandalism is justified to destroy something you didn't agree with. I'm just pointing out that in Jesus's eyes it was. We can get into a debate about whether there is an equivalency between the two things (see HoG's article on gays and lobsters) but the precedent was set and the Church (particularly the Catholic segment) has had no compunction about destroying heretics. The problem with CP is that despite the stated principles of welcoming all points of view, anything that doesn't comply with their preconceptions is exterminated. There is no debate, just fascist revisionism. As someone who cares about what sort of world will be left for future generations (an altruistic liberal concept as I have no children that I know of) it behoves me to try and bring common sense and rational discourse to the gullible. If I can point out that the emperor has no clothes (see Hans Christian Anderson) then I am doing a public service. I don't deny that some religion has some benefits. There has to be some sort of moral code for society to function smoothly, and six or seven of the Ten Commandments are perfectly acceptable in my view. However, despite their professed religious beliefs many Conservatives disagree with at least one of them - thou shall not kill. Jesus said turn the other cheek but most C's want an eye for an eye. This is pick and mix religion. If you don't like what Jesus said, exchange it for something from the Old Testament. Babel fishÅЯ†ђŮŖ ÐΣй†Now look here! 17:19, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

If it is a harmful lie, presented as truth to the ignorant, then yes. MiddleMan 13:53, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for reminding me, I've got to get around to working on that Propaganda article. --Kels 14:30, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
Here is another case of people, several of them, seeming to get their facts from oribiting UFO's, I guess. I am a lapsed Catholic, by conversion from basically non-attending Methodist. I have two advanced degrees, one of them being in the sciences. I have never made it a point to edit science or religious articles on CP. And anyone with a third grade ability to read should know of my many public arguments with Conservative. Thanks, Doc for attempting to introduce fact here, amongst what are essentially trolling posts. --TK/MyTalk 15:45, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

I'll just ignore these edits edits[2][3][4][5], but still I guess I got you mixed up with Karajou. Btw, are you a creationist or not? It's hard to tell from your edits, and in what science do you have a degree? MiddleMan 17:04, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

  • "If it is a harmful lie, presented as truth to the ignorant, then yes" (Its OK to vandalize and attempt to destroy something you disagree with). Its a sad world we live in. Bohdan 16:38, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
Save some of those tears for Conservative's slash-and-burn editing style of any science he doesn't like, would you? --Gulik 16:52, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Straight answer to Bohdan's earlier question: In this case, yes. Most of the contributors here bent over backwards to accomodate YEC nonsense in CP articles. All they wanted was the right of fair reply within those same articles that they had been initially promised. They were systematically obstructed from doing so and then blocked for protesting.

Schlafly is engaged in a major act of deceit, namely attempting to present his world-view as internally consistent and uncontroversial. He should not be allowed to get away with it. --Robledo 16:45, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Is this a good place for a quote? "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke --Kels 17:11, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
  • I guess it all depends on who is good and who is evil, no? Simply disagreeing with someone doesn't make them evil. It looks like AmesG talk is now passing my talk in this sites page view statistics. I'm going to have to stop this so I don't lose my place. Bohdan 17:16, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
  • Crap! I already lost my position as 7th! But I wont lose to you Kels! Bohdan 17:17, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
Simply disagreeing with someone doesn't make them evil. I couldn't agree more. Now, go tell Aschlafly that, would you? --Gulik 19:56, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Definitely a good place, K. No place for a goat, though ;) --Robledo 17:21, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Oh, here's another quote, then. "I am a goat-fucker!" - Richard M. Stallman, 1994 --Kels 17:47, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Will add my thoughts later...this is an important topic.-AmesG 09:00, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

Side note: Wow! Thanks to Bohdan for leaving that comment on TK's CP talk page. Otherwise I would've overlooked this thing. Love how things went from "Cp does welcome other views" to "Obviously they are not going to allow certain edits", by the way. That's like "You're allowed to have your own opinion. Being allowed to voice it is another thing." XD --Sid 10:07, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
Anything to help. Bohdan 17:53, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

To get back to the point about InfoWarrior's Handbook, I must say that I don't feel to happy about it. Generally posts here supporting it have been about how bad CP is. I would agree with a lot of that. But are we really going to use an "end justifies the means" argument to support vandalism? Surely if something is wrong we should not do it. It doesn't matter how bad the other guy is - our moral judgments are our own, and should not be based on how bad the other guy is. "The end justifies the means" starts you on a very slippery slope - I hope we don't slide on it.--Bob_M (talk) 10:10, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

Where CP is concerned, and kids, yes the ends do justify the means! Vandalism, disinformation, sowing dissention and argument, pitting one sysop against the others, all that distracts them from their task at hand of brainwashing young kids. To do otherwise conjures up thoughts of the French in WW2, not joining the resistance, thinking the Germans would just go away.....--Ë. 17:58, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
Is CP brainswashing others, or are you?Bohdan 18:13, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

You appear to ducking this one, Bohdan, so I'll reiterate: Schlafly is engaged in a major act of deceit, namely attempting to present his world-view as internally consistent and uncontroversial. He should not be allowed to get away with it. --Robledo 18:23, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

I think the issue might be that we're not really doing anything wrong... we're making them reveal their own totalitarian tendencies, which is I think good... I fail to see how "ic3w3dg3=j3sus" is as evil as it is said to be.-AmesG 18:31, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
On Islamopedia, Icewedge=Muhammed could get your head taken off. But thats beyond the point. As icewedge himself stated "things that are intended to promote distructive behavior are unaceptable". Your sockpuppets, adding of false information, and everything else you people are engaging in is deliberately breaking the rules and causing harm to something you disagree with. Thats whats wrong. Bohdan 18:36, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
I don't support vandalism, but the problem with your argument, Bohdan, is that there are in effect no rules on Conservapedia. The sysops are allowed to do pretty much as they please, regardless of whether or not they can find justification in the rules for what they do. Criticising others for breaking the rules seems somewhat untenable, when the very people who ought to enforce them make mockeries out of them. --AKjeldsen 18:54, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
Bohdan - Mohammed (pbuh) doesn't (or at least shouldn't) hold an equivalent place in Islam to that which Jesus holds in Christianity. Hence all the, y'know, times he said not to worship him, only God. On this hypothetical Islamopedia, they may react in the way that you describe, but then they are moving against what their religion teaches; a somewhat familiar situation, methinks. --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר שְׁלֹום!

This doesn't necessarily follow from where the conversation is at now, but how is this any different from The Anarchist's Cookbook being available on Amazon or whatever? It's a manual for inforevolutionaries in general, just using CP as a source of examples, not necessarily as sole target. None of the stuff in it is exactly all that secret, or even that hard to find out, it's just presented in a way that saves a lot of time on making mistakes to learn from. Is it justified? Well, is any struggle justified? --Kels 19:02, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

I made the point somewhere on the talk page (which is actually where this discussion should be held, by the way), somewhat ironically, that this article is exactly has the same status as the artefacts created by an arms manufacturer, and

purveyed by an arms dealer. I think, and continue to think, that anyone who believes that it is valid to sell weapons should not be surprised when they are at the wrong end of one. In the same way, if your avowed intent is to set up a website which purveys a single point of view, which is dangerous nonsense, and deliberately and pre-meditatedly prevents others from voicing rational and legitimate arguments which counter that point of view, you should not be surprised if those others find alternative means of getting their voices heard - even if those means consist of diluting, subverting or mis-representing your views.--CatWatcher 04:24, 9 June 2007 (CDT)


Also, when you have time, check out Sodomite. (That's more innocent than it sounds).DocSock 18:45, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

Awesome! I'll be happy to get on my Lawrence grandstand & help out!-AmesG 18:52, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

Ave Ames![edit]

When you're not too busy, could you give me a hand on the Conservapedia:Timeline article? I'm sort of ... stuck, with regard to major events, and humbly request the aid of the old guard. --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר שְׁלֹום!

Will do! Out of town now, but back soon.-AmesG 00:21, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

Please feel free to use my talk page[edit]

It is an open forum for all debate. Fun to watch, too.


I don't know what the issue here was, but jtl and E: Just leave each other alone. There's no reason for you to fight over minutia. Any complaints about the way I handled things will be listened to, don't worry. --Linus(plot evil tech) 23:49, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

No problem here, chief! Pull up one of Ames chairs, and have some of this exceptional fondue Doc sent over! --Ë. 00:03, 17 June 2007 (CDT)
I hope Ames' chairs are Eames chairs. humanbe in 01:10, 17 June 2007 (CDT)
I'm going to go through tomorrow and see exactly what the problem was. I'm incredibly sleepy right now (it's 1 AM), and can't deal with it. Again, complaints are welcome. This bloody rubbish wouldn't occur if people would behave with an ounce of civility. --Linus(plot evil tech) 00:11, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

What happened, guys? Sorry, been completely out :-( . Back soon though! -AmesG 00:22, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

Ames! You were supposed to be getting Zzzzzz's! Have some of this fondue....although it is making me light-headed...could Doc have added some percs? :S --Ë. 00:44, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

Welcome back[edit]

Did you go somewhere? Somewhere cool? Anyway, it's nice to have you around again! humanbe in 22:22, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Glad to be back! Work's just been busy lately! I can't even promise I'm back for long... but I try!!!!-AmesG 22:28, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
Good thing your back, we need your stabilization is our myriad flamewars. --Linus(plot evil tech) 22:30, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
By the way, a link to "" is not permanent. You gotta dig up the template behind it and link to that. A pita, I know, and I should do it for you... (re: your link on the timeline, which maybe should be on "in the media", but it's all good, as the neo-hippies say, when they've just behaved atrociously. Whup! Was that me?) humanbe in 22:54, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Thanks buddy ;-)-AmesG 22:59, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Now that we have you back, ?archive time?--PalMD-yada yada 23:02, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
He was gone? Who blocked him?CЯacke® 23:05, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Prolly :-)-AmesG 23:24, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Doin's afoot & what have I missed[edit]

I don't want to alarm, but there are doin's afoot. We have some exciting Conservapedia contacts (having sworn off that rag myself, I've taken to recruitment). Additionally, is there anything I should be paying attention to/should have been paying attention to and should now try to correct? Sorry again :-/-AmesG 00:03, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Incessant unmoderated flamewars, perhaps? :) --Linus(plot evil tech) 00:12, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Yeah, thanks for the use of your talk page as village toilet while you were out... humanbe in 00:51, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

S'what I'm here for :-P -AmesG 00:52, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

are your ears burning?[edit]

They're talking about you over at CP Jrssr5 13:24, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

And Planned Parenthood is making big $$ off abortions. Who knew? MyaR 13:28, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
If you read Ashfly's wording there, he basically equates Liberal with the medieval and fundie concept of Satan: the pleasant deceiver, etc.--PalMD-yada yada 13:30, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Poor Will N. So naive. Someone should get him over here, there's still hope he can escape becoming a mindless assfly drone. Jrssr5 14:07, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Well, he is only about 14 (and posting things he really shouldn't be on the internets), although he's also the one who likes banning people most because then they can't defend themselves, and would like to get a gun... Sometimes I think the only hope for these kids is to be completely removed from their families somehow, and that just won't happen. MyaR 14:12, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Not to say I think these kids should be taken away, but that I hope that they all get to college or a good high school where they're exposed to more actual science and dissent, and have to learn to actually think about things and not stay cocooned from nasty, deceitful liberals who are out to lead them astray with false helpfulness. MyaR 14:21, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Seems like poor Will's got a bad case of hero worship. Perfectly normal, just the wrong object. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 14:26, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
He still acts older than Andy. olliegrind 14:30, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Sadly, yes. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 14:40, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
If AmesG isn't an appropriate object of worship, I don't know who is! 14:33, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I saw that. I shot SharonS a message using my PocketPC from the Starbucks in my office building :-) and he seemed to not like that. No worries, though, Andy'll have another message from another Starbucks, soon.-AmesG 18:10, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Sorry to be subjecting your usertalk to this, Ames, but since this is where the original comment is -- this is odd. Did anyone really think I meant that CPS should go in and tear kids away from their parents? Just to clarify, I meant that these kids need to be exposed to more than they are now, which, practically speaking, means they need to be removed from (in a distance sense, which was an admittedly poor word choice on my part) their current environment. But then, they do believe that quote-mining is the best way to support an argument (or attack, which really is the same thing for them, mostly). MyaR 09:10, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
I don't think anyone made a serious suggestion to send homeschooled kids to reeducation camps. Many have made the point that they are too isolated from the real world and real knowledge. I have know doubt that their spiritual needs are cared for, but they also need to know why their PCs work.--PalMD-yada yada 09:20, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
Well, sure, that was exactly my point. But apparently, that's the 'sickest thing' they've ever heard. I'm extremely grateful that college allowed me to get away from the religiosity of my family (and they're much less crazy -- they knew they had to raise their kids to live in the real world and think for themselves). While I had a certain amount of insularity growing up (we lived on a farm), my parents didn't want us to want to stay close to home. They felt their biggest responsibility in raising us was to teach us to be responsible, independent people. (And yes, they're YECs. Proof that they're not all completely batshit crazy.) MyaR 09:33, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
The scary thing is, even the westboro baptist church folks (those of godhatesfags fame) don't homeschool their children. At least they're confident enough of their beliefs to give their kids the chance to be around other kids and ideas. How scary do andy&co seem now? (i am willing to be contradicted on this, i've only seen the louis theroux documentary - it's on youtube). Oh, and just in case there's any doubt (i'm looking at you Andy, hehe) I think the westboro people are evil evil evil fucks and i feel so sad for their kids. δαιισρΗταλκ 09:46, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Re:must be nice.....[edit]

We are not pushing an ideology. We are not pushing a world-view. We are not suppressing faith. We respect faith. Oh really..... Bohdan 19:31, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Before your post on Mr. Schlafly's talk, his page was replaced with "'ASCHLAFLY EATS JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'" and '1(EvvEDGE PWNS U!!!!'. These were most likely your vandals..... Bohdan 19:34, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Because all vandalism at CP must come from rationalwiki right? Tmtoulouse 19:36, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Isn't Icewedge yours? Bohdan 19:37, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
And, more importantly, each person here is responsible for what each other person here does or doesn't do, right? MyaR 19:37, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Icewedge is the sign off for probably half a dozen or more vandals. Tmtoulouse 19:38, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
The same (*cough*) "half dozen" who always tests out his their latest vandal schemes on RW sandboxes... לול 20:26, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
If you want to attribute all the vandalism to one person so be it....the legend lives. Tmtoulouse 20:29, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
And they chose this name because.... Bohdan 19:39, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Old school psychological warfare.....attribute everything you do to a single person that may or may not exist but certainly isn't doing it all and you create a "legend" a "force" much more effective. Tmtoulouse 19:41, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
So..... Icewedge is Keyser Soze? olliegrind 06:28, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
This is my personal opinion...don't anyone generalize it. Mocking a religious belief is not inherently disrespectful...mocking a person is. Religious beliefs are prima facie ridiculous to anyone who doesn't share them (e.g. FSM, IPU, Xenu, Jesus). If it bothers you, don't read it. It is NOT in any way akin to actual persecution or racism...if you say "All Christians should be jailed" or some such nonsense, that is unpleasant (but NO hate crime laws, remember?), but different from "Resurrection is a silly idea."--PalMD-yada yada 19:40, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Hate the sin not the sinner....Tmtoulouse 19:43, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Can you prove to me Ashfly doesnt eat Jews. I mean, I do truly believe it. Where is you attribution?--PalMD-yada yada 19:42, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
I assume this is a joke? Bohdan 19:42, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Is it any sillier than saying that God created the Earth in 7 days cuz i read it in a book? Same level of evidence.--PalMD-yada yada 19:43, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Lets not get into that. Wheres Ames? Bohdan 19:46, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Check the wet bar downstairs....Tmtoulouse 19:47, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
You and I both know that this wiki does not have a downstairs! Bohdan 19:53, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Its for the goats only. Tmtoulouse 19:59, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
  • wait a minute, I thought there was no cabal.....Bohdan 20:05, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Who said anything about a cabal? Tmtoulouse 20:06, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
A vicious rumor put out by the people who think Canadian beer is just fine, thank you. MyaR 20:07, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
I'm just pointing out that respecting someone of faith does not mean i have to respect their beliefs as well.--PalMD-yada yada 19:48, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Bohdan, I don't support meaningless vandalism like the "Schlafly eats Jews" stuff. Is that all you have to say?-AmesG 21:21, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

By the way, Bohdan, did it ever occur to you that there is a whole world of people out there who think CP is a little, um, silly, and every time another glowing press piece comes out, they flock there to insert their mocking, deceitful comments? humanbe in 21:54, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
  • no, I guess? Bohdan 21:55, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Bohdan, at least 75% of us here are not vandals. However, less than 1% of Conservapedia sysops are not filling young children's minds with bullshit, and teaching them closed-minded bigotry.-AmesG 22:11, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

  • Yes you may be right that only 25% of you are vandals, but I think about 75% of our vandalism comes from here. Just because you disagree with it doesn't make it, you know, and it doesn't mean its closed minded bigotry. Bohdan 22:17, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Re vandalism, prove it. And no, just because we disagree doesn't make it closed-minded bigotry. However, insistence on the validity of only one viewpoint, and the refusal to permit any dissent, DOES make it closed-minded bigotry.-AmesG 22:19, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Ames - by your reckoning, there are less than 0.29 decent sysops in CP - the question remains, which ones? --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר שְׁלֹום!

It's hard to live up to our principles. But at least we have principles.[edit]

Many people have noted that it's almost impossible for us to live up to the principle of acceptance and complete free thought. It's something we deal with every day. However, I would like to state that by merely having this goal, and making a good faith, legitimate, and significant effort to live up to it, we already surpass Conservapedia 100%. Please keep in mind that we're trying, and we will keep trying until we get it right.-AmesG 22:18, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I assume this is directed to me, right? Bohdan 22:28, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Many people have noted that it's almost impossible for us to live up to the principles that G-d and Yeshua haMosiach outlined for us. It's something we deal with every day. However, I would like to state that by merely having this goal, and making a good faith, legitimate, and significant effort to live up to it, we already surpass Rationalwiki 100%. Please keep in mind that we're trying, and we will keep trying until we get it right. לול 22:33, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
It depends on who "we" is. I think anyone who has an exclusionary view of the universe (believe as I do or rot in hell) is not going to live up to any great principles except with fellow believers.--DoxXox-DawkT0wk 22:37, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
ROTFL! CP living up to god's and whoever that other person is' principles? Give me a break! It was at CP that I learned that "turn the othe cheek" means "so you can aim better down the barrel! Godspeed! humanbe in 22:40, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
LoL - funny how that only applies to Christians, not atheists :D You people are such hypocrites :D "I think anyone who has an exclusionary view of the universe (believe as I do or you are a moron/need to be removed from your family/are of inferior intellect/deserve to be vandalized) is not going to live up to any great principles except with fellow believers... לול 22:43, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
What makes you think non-xtians don't strive to do so? However, it is one of those "principles", right? I couldn't figure out what the rest of your comment meant. humanbe in 22:54, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
It is an interesting discussion, that would have been shut down on CP. QED.--DoxXox-DawkT0wk 22:46, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
"...that would have been shut down on CP. QED." ROFLMAO! Great scientific method you apply. לול 22:47, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Hey, Im just the chef. However, i dont think you can deny that this discussion would be quickly shut down. I suffered many a ban this way. 90/10, remember?--DoxXox-DawkT0wk 22:50, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Flame war! Flame war! Flame war on AmesG's talk page! humanbe in 22:54, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I have to say, for being good "Christians," CP doesn't speak well for living up to any principles other than sheer vindictiveness. Andy just deleted my letter to Sharon, encouraging her to keep an open mind, proving my point once and for all, and I heard through secret communiques that the same letter made Karajou want to hunt me down and punch me! Christian charity indeed! Honestly, I believe Christianity can inculcate good morals, but who here seriously believes that Conservapedia is anywhere near that goal? Rather, who here honestly believes that Conservapedia hasn't run so far in the opposite direction that it can't even see the starting point anymore?-AmesG 23:36, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Your letter was inappropriate for Conservapedia.¿ Sta’le ? 23:47, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
It makes me smile when Andy falls right into our traps. He can delete all he wants, but it's in the page history, and he's going to look like a loser to anyone who realizes that he censored a letter about him censoring content.-AmesG 23:49, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
They will just delete the history if anyone questions them on it. ¿ Sta’le ? 23:51, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
It is an interesting discussion, that would have been shut down on CP.

That is the point! How can one claim to be open, and welcome intellectual discourse, but stifle all debate? More and more CP tilts towards YEC, with them now even removing Mormons from the rolls of those considered "Christian". Conservative is quite a busy beaver inviting "experts" to comb through articles, changing and reverting on a daily basis. Removing anything considered offensive or questionable by these "scholars". Ames hit the nail on the head, with posting to Sharon. It so infuriated him, anyone who might dare to try and free one of his robots, so they might somehow live a normal life, he is trying to eradicate all signs of it happening. --Ë. 04:29, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Case in point[edit]

Aschlafly's Contribs:

  1. 00:24, 21 June 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:TK (→Comments: - enough said) (top) (removing comments to Open Letter)
  2. 00:23, 21 June 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:TK (→Open Letter - inappropriate letter) (removing Open Letter)
  3. 00:21, 21 June 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:SharonS (talk page is one's castle here) (top) (removing notice of Open Letter)

So, according to Aschlafly, a user's page is one's castle, but when something's on it that Aschlafly doesn't like, then he deletes it for you, to "protect" it, your wishes as to this protection be damned. Further, Aschlafly deletes a letter that lambasts him for deleting things that lambast him. Check, and mate.-AmesG 23:44, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Good job AmesG! Two people were banned trying to revert Andy's edits. ¿ Sta’le ? 00:06, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

One was me; the other is a hero!-AmesG 00:06, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Oops...didn't know you were Matthew. I was Penguin. ¿ Sta’le ? 00:08, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

NICE DUDE.-AmesG 00:10, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

  • (diff) (hist) . . User talk:SharonS‎; 01:04 . . (-227) . . Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) (one's talk page is his castle; all violators will be blocked)
Does this mean Andy should be blocked? ¿ Sta’le ? 00:11, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Of course! I mean, he's talked himself into a corner before, but shit, this is some kind of record.-AmesG 00:13, 21 June 2007 (CDT)


CPWebmaster, Philip.

Anyone know what is going on? --Ë. 04:33, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Good point. No idea! Karajou's been less active, too.-AmesG 07:13, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
State fair's running I bet, overtime for Mall Cops around the area, for sure! CЯacke® 09:19, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

TK "retirement"[edit]

Please see his comment near the end of the section titled "block" on my talk page to see what I am asking or talking about. No point in more than one person working on this until a "compromise" is reached, then we can "all" decide if it seems appropriate. Although, apparently, "7 out 10 members polled told me anything you would come up with would neither be graceful or a compromise" so I might not be much help. humanbe in 11:14, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

I hope he doesn't try to break The Who's record of number of "farewell tours"... --Kels 16:03, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
Well, why not? You have captured the record for bitchy/snarky remarks. --TK/MyTalk 16:07, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
Actually, I just wanted to make a Pete Townsend joke. --Kels 18:58, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
No, I think that's still yours.--AutoFire 16:09, 22 June 2007 (CDT) (who is NOT A SOCK!)

Jesvs tap dancing Christ. If that's everyone's attitude - snipe bitch bitch - it's not worth it. We need all sides to make a bona fide effort here.AmesG 16:13, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

Hi AmesG, apparently I forgot to check the box that enables users to email me - what a maroon! EW forwarded me a note on the forum saying you were trying to email me? And, that's 'Jesus on an Easter Tree' to you! humanbe in 20:54, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

Will and Andy[edit]

Thought you might be interested in this. GHammer and Sickle text gold.svgdlessLiberal 18:12, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

I thought you might be intersted in your new and better sig. humanbe in 01:10, 24 June 2007 (CDT)
oooooooooh gold. GHammer and Sickle text.svgdlessLiberal 15:16, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
YW :) humanbe in 15:35, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
  • Human, you are just so creative, you should make a page here on signature minipulations, tips and tricks! --TK/MyTalk 16:06, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
Gee thanks... I was just ehlping him further "commify" his sig. Yours could use some nice Greek characters (Oh, wait, Tau and Kappa look exactly like T and K...), in your favorite colors... humanbe in 16:19, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
  • Yes, I thought of that....:-( Maybe I need a nick in place of the user name, "TK" so it could be more in step with this community....--TK/MyTalk 16:37, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
    • Wiki has Hebrew characters for his sig. They don't look the same as the Greek and Latin. GHammer and Sickle text gold.svgdlessLiberal 11:06, 29 June 2007 (CDT)

If Only I'd Known...[edit]

I'd have come here a lot earlier. I didn't know this existed until I saw the LA Times article.--Dave3172 18:34, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

WELCOME, DUDE. So glad to have you here! I'll be on more later...-AmesG 00:53, 24 June 2007 (CDT)
You bastard, it takes me twelve minutes to fuck up a CP article because of the great pic, and you get to be cool by adding to it in 3 seconds! humanbe in 01:10, 24 June 2007 (CDT)
Dave! How did we not recruit him? GHammer and Sickle text.svgdlessLiberal 15:16, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

Hein v. Freedom From Religion Foundation Inc[edit]

If you have some time it would be awesome if you could help us parse out this case...what exactly is the consequence of having a 3-2-4 split decision? How might this effect future cases on Establishment clause violations? Do you think this bodes ill for Flast v. Cohen in general? I think it is very important to understand, and I am really struggling with it. Tmtoulouse 20:43, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

Got it, but first amendment isn't my specialty. I'll read over it tomorrow at work. Can you give me a citation for Flast, though? Good to hear from you!-AmesG 22:57, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
Here is Flast, its the main ruling that gives tax payers standing for Establishment violations that involve distribution of tax money. I would have an easier time dealing with the Hein ruling if it wasn't a plurality decision. I have never understood the precedent effects of plurality, from what I can gather it both does have and does not have precedent.....anyway, I think the Hein case is important for a lot Establishment cases and is certainly related to issues we talk about around these here parts! If you have time some information about all this would be awesome...playing to our strengths and all :). 23:24, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

Happy to help tomorrow :-). Plurality opinions are fucked up, by way of quick statement: look, for example, at Bakke, the original affirmative action opinion saying that diversity is a legitimate reason for state action in affirmative action. That was a plurality opinion. If you view lawsuits as a syllogism, while Bakke resolved the conflict at issue (the Minor Principle), allowing the instant affirmative action case to stand, it did not solve the issue of whether diversity is a compelling state rationale in other cases (the Major Principle). 20 years of legal wrangling ensued. Then we got Grutter. So, plurality opinions don't do much. They indicate which way the Court is thinking, and give guidance to lower courts in some semblance, but there's still room for litigation. It's ugly. That's why it was essential, too, that Brown was unanimous: there's always room for litigation with even 1 dissenter. With 3-2-4, well...-AmesG 00:19, 26 June 2007 (CDT)


So, got more info?--DoxXox-DawkT0wk 13:35, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

Updates later :-( -AmesG 13:37, 27 June 2007 (CDT)
Intriguing. liessmokemirrors 13:44, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

Comes from our best & highest-placed source: every reason to trust him/her.AmesG 13:48, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

Nothing's beyond our Ken. Geddit? God's peed Babel fishÅЯ†ђŮŖ ÐΣй†Now look here! 13:59, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

Maybe we averted it by talking about it? I hope CP is getting the message: we know everything :-). -AmesG 20:28, 27 June 2007 (CDT)


I reverted your hilarious Wandalism to Staple's sig. ɧєɭıסş-get sunburn! 00:03, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Dude, it was the best wandalism ever! Ah, I remember why you guys are fun. I should stop my boring, pointless CP attacks, shouldn't I?-AmesG 00:07, 28 June 2007 (CDT)
Sorry, I just had to block you. ;) God 00:29, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Blocking a sysop is a blockable offense!!! Go to Wikipedia with your liberal blocking.-αmεσG 08:53, 28 June 2007 (CDT)


Thanks. hello! ¤¤¤¤¤

sorry to implicate you, just having fun[edit]

No hard feelings, I hope. HeartGold tx 00:41, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

Heart! What'd you implicate me in? I feel badly, you incorporated one of my joking criticisms of you into a criticism of yourself. I guess it sounded mean because I made it when I was in a bad mood. I actually really like you, and I apologize deeply if you got the wrong impression. I can understand why you would have. My responses to your RFC will all be positive. We disagree on a lot, but I respect you a lot for being here and putting in commentary. So I'll start acting like it. Sorry again :-(. But what'd you implicate me in?-αmεσG 00:48, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
If I did include it, it was really a coincidence, I don't keep scores on RW...I just saw you contributed tonight, and were on line. Don't even respond...just playing around. Bored. Leaving tomorrow, gotta get some sleep. HeartGold tx 00:50, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

lol i know you[edit]

Yes, I have seen many of your edits on many a talk page over on CP. I like your style, stranger. OUPS I FORGOTS TO SIGN MY EDIT GrandSoviet 00:45, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

Thanks dude! We'll hang out, plot some evil, enjoy some goat. Glad to have you over here! I like the style of anyone who gets blocked out of CP...-00:49, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
Well, I smoothed things over and I'm not blocked anymore. I'll tell ya the full story sometime. But, uh, can I get something with less goat in it? GrandSoviet 01:03, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
I don't understand. Less goat? But then it wouldn't taste so goaty. --jtltalk 01:21, 30 June 2007 (CDT)


Clearly this is still more evidence that the CP sysops assume there's only one user per city. I believe DanH was intimating on my talk page that since I'm from Halifax (ish), I must be DemocraticUnderground, although he was pretty vague about it. --Kels 18:35, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

Hoji and I are both from the Seattle area -- does that mean I'm a CP sysop and don't even know it? --jtltalk 19:37, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

Well, you didn't specifically say you were from Halifax, and I know that it's a fairly large city, so I figured that it was a possibility, but I didn't necessarily think it was conclusive. DanH 22:12, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

Wait, I'm confused. Is Phoenix in Halifax? Or is Halifax in Seattle? Damn lib'rul geography! humanbe in 23:22, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

CALL TO ARMS (Main Page on CP)[edit]


Log onto Conservapedia now, with your socks or what have you, and defend the good efforts of Mtur and JoshuaZ in pwning Philip & Andy in an easily-winnable YEC science debate. Please! I'm out of IPs, but this is a cool debate, and we're doing well! Go here to fight the good fight!-αmεσG 20:38, 1 July 2007 (CDT)
Damn! i'd have happily sacrificed my socks to get in on that. sorry i missed it. i really should get my ass in gear on that speed of light article now that they've given plenty of good links. ДιЯɖі$ɧ

ɥοםЄʟβЯƏакĐΩωΝ 05:01, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Hope in Houston, TX[edit]

At a restaurant on the outskirts of Houston, TX, I saw a young kid reading "The Blind Watchmaker." Maybe there's hope after all!-αmεσG 20:10, 2 July 2007 (CDT)


sorry about the "idiot" part there in the block reason, ames. Nothing personal. I just didn't like the "Failure at life" line. it was cruel and uncalled for. Bohdan 20:19, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Hi Bohdan! I thought you retired? Speaking of retirement, any ideas why Kangaroo retired? Baramin trouble? humanbe in 20:47, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
I still am retired. I just came to tell Ames not to take the idiot part personally. As far as Karajou, I haven't any idea. It was shocking news to me. Bohdan 20:49, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
B, if you don't mind, I have a quick question. I presume you are blocking "editors" at CP who are socks of people you know over here (and from there). How on earth do you know whose socks they are? humanbe in 21:00, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
He put on his userpage "this user is a sock of AmesG". or perhaps I know all. Bohdan 21:01, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

I did put that on my user page. Danny Ocean I am not. Well, I can be if I try. But yeah, sorry Bohdan. Nothing personal against you, either: I actually like you quite a bit, since I think you're very honest & kind. I would never call you a failure at life; that would be cruel, because you're a nice guy. But Roger Schlafly really is a failure at life. Also, I had the spread the word about KDBuffalo = KevinConley.-αmεσG 21:13, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Kevin Connolly? I take it we're not talking about the Holy Cross hockey player. But come on Ames, you really don't even know Roger Schlafly. Even if you disagree with him, that doesn't make him a failure at life. Lets be reasonable. Bohdan 21:20, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

His edits are just shy of the IQ of a rock, and exemplify the uber-moronic to such a shocking degree that even Aschlafly distances himself from some of them. Come on. On the genetic Wheel of Fortune, he never even had the chance to buy a vowel. Oh, and I think I meant KevinK, the guy who wrote that forgery about TK.-αmεσG 21:23, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

I don't agree with you at all, but I have to say that is one funny analogy! Bohdan 21:25, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
I do try man, thanks :-). I respect the patience you must have to listen to him. I really, really do. What's he like in person? I'd love an inside perspective.-αmεσG 21:26, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
I don't know him either. I was just saying. I never even see him on CP. Bohdan 21:28, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Hmmm. I am le curious. So what's the chance of us being able to keep you around, Bohdan? You seem to enjoy the debate et al, and it's nice to have people like that around. Are you still going to R E T I R E after this debate is over, or will you pull up a goat and stay a while? We've kept your goat warm for you :-). Well, Human did, at least. -αmεσG 21:29, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

I actually only came to apologize for the idiot remark. I'll probably leave now. This was pretty fun. Bohdan 21:31, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
Pwn human for me. Bohdan 21:31, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
Bye bye Bohdan... don't forget to take some of this yummy goat with you, and remember to tell Andy "Godspeed!" for me, k? Cheerio... humanbe in 21:33, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

d00d, I will pwn Human for you. And we're always glad to have you, stop in for a laugh sometime :-). Has the TK fallout almost died down, or have TK & RobS killed each other, or what's going on? Oh, and one more thing: have Andy Schlafly e-mail me. I offered to take him out to lunch, my treat, in New York when I move back in the fall, but he never got back to me. How rude!-αmεσG 21:34, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

PalMD likes teh Sodomites[edit]

Get your underpaid, overworked tush over to Sodomite if you ever get a chance and it seems worthwhile. --PalMD-Goatspeed! 22:02, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Done.-αmεσG 22:04, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
Better?-αmεσG 22:49, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
Much appreciated, counselor.--PalMD-Goatspeed! 22:51, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Thank you, Doctor! Writey writey shakey shakey. Any other suggestions?-αmεσG 22:52, 2 July 2007 (CDT) that i dont have tonsils, i dont snore, which means i can sleep in my bed with my wife, wink wink, nudge nudge.--PalMD-Goatspeed! 22:53, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Did you get them removed? Oh, and good boy, go do that. Good stuff.-αmεσG 23:13, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

if you feel like it[edit]

I'm working on the Karajou thing you forced on me, and he has a poor reading of the basic documents establishing the USA. I'm working on it, but if you feel like cutting short my research by putting in the stuff you already know, feel free.--PalMD-Goatspeed! 12:46, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

Awwwww yeah. Edit conflict time. Gotta go for a bit pretty soon, but I'll see what I can do.-αmεσG 12:47, 4 July 2007 (CDT)
Ok, if you want, ill keep plugging away for now.--PalMD-Goatspeed! 12:49, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

PF Fox's Blogs[edit]

PF Fox is going to join us soon. I told her she's a hero of ours for fighting the good fight on Conservapedia, and she has a few blogs that some of us might want to check out. She has a five-part section on Conservapedia currently under development. Clearly, she's pretty awesome.

-αmεσg 20:36, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

Cleaning up[edit]

Now that you've moved your sig template to User:AmesG/AmesGsig, I was wondering if the leftover redirects [[Template:AmesGsig]] and [[Template talk:AmesGsig]] could be deleted? There's nothing linking to them at the moment. -- Stevo (talk) 09:06, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Please do, sorry :-(-αmεσg
That's fine, we're just having fun cleaning up all the linkless redirects at the moment. Thanks -- Stevo (talk) 10:10, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Oh great NYU Lawyer[sic], "loser"?[edit]

Now I have been known to parse some nasty legalize in my time on this here Earth and I think I knows what this says, I think it says that we can assign additional copy rights beyond GNU FDL to original works here at RW even though we use mediawiki and wikipedia documents. But why don't ya have a look and see if ya agree with my legal like analysis:


A compilation of the Document or its derivatives with other separate and independent documents or works, in or on a volume of a storage or distribution medium, is called an "aggregate" if the copyright resulting from the compilation is not used to limit the legal rights of the compilation's users beyond what the individual works permit. When the Document is included in an aggregate, this License does not apply to the other works in the aggregate which are not themselves derivative works of the Document.

If the Cover Text requirement of section 3 is applicable to these copies of the Document, then if the Document is less than one half of the entire aggregate, the Document's Cover Texts may be placed on covers that bracket the Document within the aggregate, or the electronic equivalent of covers if the Document is in electronic form. Otherwise they must appear on printed covers that bracket the whole aggregate."

Tmtoulouse 10:22, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

I think it means that the site's copyright would not be imputed to all documents: "the whole is [less] than the sum of its parts"? What are you pulling this from? If you give me the name of the primary source, I can tell you more about it by seeing what secondary sources (treatises) say about it, to make sure that as-applied it's what we want.-αmεσ (!) 11:43, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
Here is the source. Again the question is, can we release specific works under a MORE restrictive copyright than GNU FDL on our site, using mediawiki, if it does not use any GNU FDL document material. Tmtoulouse 11:47, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
I'll have a look :-D -αmεσ (!) 12:00, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

Shit, this is complicated. To clarify, it matters that we're using MediaWiki because MediaWiki requires GDFL. We want to release some articles under more restrictive rights, though. Right?-αmεσ (!) 12:31, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

Right thats what I am afraid of, that use of mediawiki means anything on mediawiki will require a GDFL copyright. I know you can release stuff on a more "open" copyright...but yes...the question is can you release something thats more restrictive. Tmtoulouse 12:36, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

*Searching.* I'll let you know what I find.-αmεσ (!) 12:46, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

By the way, the issue here is small, but in a nutshell, if someone wants to post something and keep the copyright as an original work (like a poem or essay), can they? I do have one thought, and that is to essentially put it in quote marks. So if I wanted to post the lyrics of one of my songs under essay:, I could start the essay "So and so wrote this, quoted in its entirety by permission of the copyright holder", and then quote the whole damn thing and provide a source. Clumsy, but workable? humanbe in 13:54, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

I have no idea yet. I'm looking through some stuff, but unfortunately have a bit more to do today :-P. I'll keep you aprised Human, though. I'm thinking of writing some of my friends who know copyright law...-αmεσ (!) 15:06, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

BTW I'm still working on this, I haven't forgotten :-)-αmεσ (!) 00:18, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

Interesting article[edit]

Thought you might find it interesting. Tmtoulouse 13:14, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

Supreme Court opinions truly do make for good reading :-). Especially Scalia's (I hate to admit it), because he's SO DAMN ANGRY. You can almost see the veins pumping while reading his opinions on the "homosexual agenda."-αmεσ (!) 01:11, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

Facilitated communication[edit]

I'm working on the legal section...if you see anything you want to contribute....--PalMD-Goatspeed! 15:02, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

mottoes and slogans[edit]

Hey, I took out that
you inserted, all it does is make fat white space. Maybe one of the divs can be edited to add a few pixels if necessary? And, if you add any more great slogans under the current system, can you also add them to the list here: Template:RationalWiki Slogan for when we get RandomSelection running? humanbe in 21:13, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

Doing it. Sorry about the break :-(-αmεσ (!) 21:14, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

Dude, it was funnier when you didn't have the nowiki tags, and I had to figure out what you meant :-).-αmεσ (!) 21:26, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

What nowiki tags? humanbe in 21:32, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

Ass.-αmεσ (!) 21:32, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

Wipe ~~~~

"Human's undo undid inclusion of my latest motto :-(" Oops, sorry, I shoulda known better... clueless wikian here! (actually too lazy to edit instead of undo) And hang on a with the new ones, it's just more pagedelete work once we get that extension installed by one of our absent back end boys. humanbe in 21:39, 9 July 2007 (CDT) Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn you clever. Do you like my new retired template :-) -αmεσ (!) 21:43, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

Article idea[edit]

I have been doing something thinking, with the way that a lot of issues that involve science seem to be getting settled before courts these days I think an interesting article would be the discussion about the difference between "standards of evidence" for how a court might decide one way or another, versus how science ultimately decides between two competing ideas. Tmtoulouse 21:45, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

It would be. Let me first take Evidence... :-). Nah, I'll look into it. That's a real good idea actually...-αmεσ (!) 21:48, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

We also could really use a good solid discussion of Daubert but that could be worked into the above article. tmtoulouse heckle 11:08, 11 July 2007 (CDT)


Hey we are working on a series of articles on autism and the likely "hook" is Autism omnibus trial, its got a lot of legal perspective that needs analysis and what not. If you can would you review it? Thanks. Tmtoulouse 16:58, 10 July 2007 (CDT)


Hey Ames how is your working knowledge of LLCs? tmtoulouse heckle 15:36, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

Zero, but I have friends who took corporations. What do you need to know and I'll forward on the question. Sorry I've been away for a million years - just finished my last week with Firm #1, so I had to finish a lot of work :-) -αmεσ (!) 19:57, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
Check the forums, you should be able to find the topics. tmtoulouse heckle 19:59, 13 July 2007 (CDT)



how ya been? --Hojimachong 19:59, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

Better to see you!-αmεσ (!) 20:01, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

Need help[edit]

at Freedom of Speech. 16:39, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

at Common law?--PalMD-Goatspeed! 19:45, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

I know NOTHING about free speech yet, at least comparatively. I will in a month or so... but I'll help on Common Law now :-) -αmεσ (!) 19:50, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
I feel good about common law. I take orders from Pal.-αmεσ (!) 21:35, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

Internet Crime[edit]

Ames - do you have anything to contribute to the issue of whether a) Stevecarson's bot [6] IS actually against some law; b) whether that law applies in the case of an open wiki; c) whether the FBI can or will pursue the miscreant; and d) is it possible the FBI will see the (two[7]) reports as nuisance, and would they do anything to make Andy desist? Your insight on a napkin? Doggedpersistance 19:57, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I'm working on this for Toulouse, too, but I've had shit time to work on it lately (sorry). Texas firms require you to split your summer between two firms rather than spending it all at one... so I just finished firm 1, started at firm 2, and the transition takes a lotta time & stress, lessening my RW time, unfortunately. As soon as that's through I'll give my opinion. A good starting place might be here: my journal actually did an issue on DMCA, and it might have some useful insights. I SERIOUSLY doubt Andy has a cause of action, though, and would be shocked if the FBI gave a shit. Using bots might be a different story, though. But lemme get back to ya.-αmεσ (!) 20:12, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

Cool. Sheesh, you're busy! Doggedpersistance 20:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

I've been bashing away a bit at archiving the entire farce since - see if there's anything you want to contribute [8]. Doggedpersistance 15:18, 5 August 2007 (CDT)

Corporate Shield[edit]

i am working with Trent on a corporate shield for Rationalwiki. Dagomar 19:45, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

You're a good guy. Thanks buddy! You've answered the questions I posed to you ;-). Glad to have you!-αmεσ (!) 19:50, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
I'm glad to see someone spending the time to help Trent on this, too. Damn work.-αmεσ (!) 20:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
I wish I had the expertise to help. Dagomar, feel free to jump in and play any time. I'm interested in hearing about your poison thing, if you want to collaborate. Need an RW angle to it.--PalMD-Goatspeed! 21:38, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

is that it?[edit]

One minute? Come on, Ames... Resident vandalcomplain here 21:30, 19 July 2007 (CDT)

The problem is I like you: you're the one CP'er that actually plays our game :-) -αmεσ (!) 21:41, 19 July 2007 (CDT)
I hope I am winning? Resident vandal 22:21, 19 July 2007 (CDT)

dossiers on all presumptive Cabal members?[edit]

I haven't seen them, are you sure they are real? Resident vandal

We made them all up, there is no cabal! humanbe in 21:47, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

Bohdan, you might not be party to them. I know TK is. And another unnamed source.-αmεσ (!) 01:18, 22 July 2007 (CDT)

Wow, color me paranoid!


They don't know anything about me! ɧєɭıסş-get sunburn! 03:36, 22 July 2007 (CDT)

The joke's on them, there's nothing about me worth knowing. Ha! --Kels 09:01, 22 July 2007 (CDT)

I actually don't know who they have profiles on other than me, but apparently they keep full "character profiles" in order to (presumptively) blackmail us, as TK has suggested, or, just to understand where we're coming from, as another sysop has suggested. Either way, it's creepy. Very creepy.-αmεσ (!) 14:03, 22 July 2007 (CDT)

Damn you, John Law![edit]

A stain on my perfect record! However shall I live now? --Kels 17:04, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

A message from Conservative[edit]

Hey there. Conservative asked me to give you a message:

Dear Matt,

Please ask Trent and Ames how they like the new beginning for the theory of evolution.  I am speaking of this material:

In addition, Philip S. Skell, a member of the United States National Academy of Sciences wrote a candid article in The Scientist in 2005 entitled Why Do We Invoke Darwin? Evolutionary theory contributes little to experimental biology in which he states that Darwinian evolution "does not provide a fruitful heuristic in experimental biology." [5] Skell also wrote the following:

Certainly, my own research with antibiotics during World War II received no guidance from insights provided by Darwinian evolution. Nor did Alexander Fleming's discovery of bacterial inhibition by penicillin. I recently asked more than 70 eminent researchers if they would have done their work differently if they had thought Darwin's theory was wrong. The responses were all the same: No.[6]



I merely re-wikified it. Otherwise, it's a 1:1 of the mail he sent me. I first didn't want to play errant boy for him, but since I joined anyway, I figure you might get a kick out of it. --MStort 16:08, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Ask him to provide the full article, then we'll talk.-αmεσ (!) 23:22, 9 August 2007 (CDT)


What does it mean? Bohdan 15:19, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

Cicero ended his debates with the statement: it means, "since these things themselves are true," and follows with a whopping conclusion, like, "since these things themselves are true, we must execute Catiline the traitor," etc.-αmεσ (!) 15:24, 14 August 2007 (CDT)
Ames is a fan of Cicero? Bohdan

Ames is a Latin & Roman Republican history scholar :-) -αmεσ (!) 15:31, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

I thought Ames was a lawyer? Bohdan

I am many things. Tinker, tailor, soldier, ninja... and lawyer, and historian.-αmεσ (!) 15:33, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

I see. Is it just the Latin and Roman Republican history you are an expert in? Bohdan

Historically, kind of. My expertise was in (chronologically) the Hellenistic Era, the Republic, and the fall of the Empire.-αmεσ (!) 15:48, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

It's all your fault[edit]

Your Matthew 1034 got my Matthew 1036 banned (After all, the name similarity meant we had to be the same). He was one of my most promising socks, grumble grumble. 15:21, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

Sorry dude :-(. Great minds think alike, what can I say :-) ?-αmεσ (!) 15:25, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

to: Ames[edit]

Dear AmesG,

I created a theory of evolution mockery page with many mocking statements on the theory of evolution. One involves the Skell issue. I put it at two locations at Conservapedia.

Newton 18:25, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Was that supposed to be funny? 'Cause it isn't. It still has your ridiculous claim of a lack of evidence for evolution. --transResident Transfanform! 18:27, 16 August 2007 (CDT)
Uhmm.....Conservative? Don't give up the day job, OK? Doggedpersistance 18:29, 16 August 2007 (CDT)
Is this supposed to be some kind of Neil Hamburger routine? ollïegrïnd 13:42, 17 August 2007 (CDT)

The article, linked here for your viewing "pleasure," is yet another example of why conservatives fail to have anything to match the Daily Show. Although I admire the effort. Ken, have you decided to let drop the issues I raised about the HG Wells quote-mine?-αmεσ (!) 14:34, 17 August 2007 (CDT)

social effects of the theory of evolution[edit]

Thanks for your input. I made some changes to the Conservapedia theory of evolution article and the Conservapedia Social Effects of the theory of evolution. I hope you liked my choice of pictures in regards to Darwin and Stalin. Needless to say, given my previous comments in regards to Darwin's materialism and Huxley's public agnosticism and given that Darwininism cannot be reasonably shoe horned into the first two chapters of Genesis, I disagree with some of the material of H.G. Wells. Newton 15:26, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

So you admit you've quote-mined Wells. Good job. We'll continue this discussion on your talk page. Feel free to review my latest essay response to your drivel.-αmεσ (!) 16:53, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

Stalinpedia. I pee address.


Hey Ames, I was just on wikipedia reading your comments on the conservapedia talk page. I didn't know you edited wikipedia, and I was surprised to see you there, so I went by to say "hi". I was then very disturbed by this [9] on your talk page. Do you agree with this person that your ban was comparable to a "Stalinist purge"? Do you really think that the sysops at CP are "fascists"? And do you really believe that Andrew Schlafly and the others who work to make CP a quality reference are "Nazis"? Bohdan 21:17, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

I'm disturbed by the all-too-frequent invocation of Hitler to end, or intensify, or somehow justify, any position in debate. I think the Kings of CP do repress information, and dissent, in a way that is not conducive to education or the production of a "quality reference." I think people like SharonS will have a very nasty awakening sometime around age 18, and no thanks to their "educator" and poor choice of role model. However, and I say this in all honesty, I don't group you with them. You seem honestly interested in the free exchange of ideas, for which I admire you. And you seem to like us, which makes me like you. So I don't group you with the people whom I consider to be truly awful, like Andy & Ken. And I never think it's a legitimate or respectable debate tactic to say, "Oh, that's what Hitler would say."-αmεσ (!) 21:21, 19 August 2007 (CDT)
I do however believe, as I've written previously, that Andy is essentially a cult leader and, had he more of a following, a fascist. Certainly the children cannot be blamed, not can all the editors.--PalMD-Ars longa, vita brevis 21:28, 19 August 2007 (CDT)
Hmmm, not what I wished to hear. Ames, you are a fan of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, right? Bohdan
I do not believe that conservative christian = fascist. Fascist = fascist, and if they happen to be conservative and christian, well, there's others who are radical and communist, etc. --PalMD-Ars longa, vita brevis 21:59, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

Bohdan, what did you want to hear from me?-αmεσ (!) 22:05, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

Really I wanted to hear that your banning from CP was not at all like a "Stalinist Purge". Stalin's purges are no laughing matter. Bohdan
You never answered if you have read HHGTTG. Bohdan
Oh, I forgot to mention both of those things. No, Boh, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Just like the Nazi epithet shouldn't be tossed around, genocide shouldn't be joked about. It's seriously sad business. Have you considered telling Ken that? You have my support :-). And I have never read HHGTTG... but I intend to! Why do you ask?-αmεσ (!) 00:29, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
I was hoping someone could explain parts of it to me. I just assumed you would have read it. Bohdan 00:31, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
42. tmtoulouse heckle 00:36, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
I haven't read the last book, but there are a lot of H2G2 fans hereabouts. What were you wondering about? --Kels 18:47, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Random legal musings[edit]

So how much of the voi dire is cold reading? tmtoulouse heckle 21:43, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

They're essentially two subsets of the same thing: reading what your audience wants to hear, and then telling them that :-). Good point... Texas litigators are apparently famous for voir dire skillz, but apparently the practice is pretty strictly regulated otherwise lately :-( -αmεσ (!) 22:08, 19 August 2007 (CDT)


Lets see where he is going with this first. tmtoulouse heckle 18:39, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Stop using my exact words. Also I typed mine first, so JINX.-αmεσ (!) 18:41, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
Would one of you bonkers please drop an apple on his head? humanbe in 20:49, 20 August 2007 (CDT)


I noticed that you called it GDFL at least twice recently. But technically, GNU Free Documentation License would be GFDL. I also noticed that Wikipedia redirects GDFL to GFDL. Is GDFL used by the actual creators, or is it just that it rolls off most people's tongues easier? ThunderkatzHo! 19:33, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Nope, I'm just a moron. Thanks :-). Don't tell any important firms please.-αmεσ (!) 19:39, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
I've made the same misteak. The lurkers agree with me in pmail, though. humanbe in 20:45, 20 August 2007 (CDT)


The answer was I was wrong :-( -αmεσ (!) 21:08, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

I made a mess and need your mad krazy sysop skillz[edit]

Ames, can you please delete Essay:Bias in Science|this essay? It's been mainspaced here. Also, I screwed up the capitalization of that new article, so you may want to fix that also. Thanks in advance for cleaning up after me.--Bayes Factor 22:27, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

I think you solved it. Did you? Glad to help if not!-αmεσ (!) 06:40, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
Yeah, it have been done. I just removed the redlink above, too. humanbe in 12:40, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Threatening E-mails from Aschlafly[edit]

Already received one about copyrights!-αmεσ (!) 06:40, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

...seriously? What's his claim? Or is it a seekrit? --Sid 08:00, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
Will there be a long and potentially profitable lawsuit involved? --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 08:08, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
Do not publish the email here...that could be part of the "copyright" material. St. CЯacke® 08:10, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
Post it! Keep Salmon smoked 08:13, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
PLEASE! Keep Salmon smoked 08:13, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
Agreed. Locke Eye.jpg Always Watching...... 15:31, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
See here humanbe in 15:37, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
The irony hurts. Locke Eye.jpg Always Watching...... 15:40, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

I'd recommend calling the helpful agents at the Cinncinnati FBI office? I believe they jump right on this kind of stuff. Doggedpersistance 16:00, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

I've added his crizazy e-mails, and our replies. I'll pull it if he asks me to, though. Sorry I couldn't add it earlier; interviews all day.-αmεσ (!) 18:20, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
Wait, it still looks the same (one from TK, two from Andy, one reply by trent). Anyway, isn't a DMCA-type copyright vio demand a public document by definition? Please keep the entire exchange in public view. humanbe in 19:19, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
Oh, I uploaded it to my user space. Link from my main user page. Did Trent already upload it? I'll keep it in the clear, you're right.-αmεσ (!) 20:25, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

small request[edit]

Can you write (even if stubbily) Intermediate scrutiny? I ask because it tops our redlink list with 14 links (probably from the discrimlaw template, of course). I suspect you intended to write it and got bizzy IRL. Thanks! The preceding unsigned comment was left by bohdan / talk

Will do sometime soon...-αmεσ (!) 23:29, 28 August 2007 (CDT)

User:AmesG/Abortion is now in your user space instead of the main space, just FYI. tmtoulouse heckle 22:42, 28 August 2007 (CDT)

Thanks!-αmεσ (!) 23:28, 28 August 2007 (CDT)



Yes I am THE User:Richard (Andy Oliver). I came to update that crazy peeps are writing me and telling me I am people who I am not. Richard 22:02, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

I see you are back at CP?? You are not allowed to make any edits over there till you at least give us the Intermediate scrutiny article! tmtoulouse heckle 15:51, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

only for aiding in andy class:-) but I promise I'll do that yes. And RW remains priority One. Just want to ensure the chldren learn real lawαmεσ (!) 16:22, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
Real law is given by God via his Sons Andy and JC. Godspeed.--PalMD-Ars longa, vita brevis 16:54, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
There is only ten real laws. tmtoulouse heckle 16:55, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

You guys need to see this. It even disappears in the right places: the Second Amendment stays intact, but the Due Process clause *poof*!-αmεσ (!) 17:16, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

  • Your coming back? Can I get partial credit for this? After all, I told you to email Aschlafly. Bohdan
Wait, seeing as you are a twenty-something time blocked user, maybe I don't really want credit. Bohdan 18:33, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
Now, now, Bohdan. Is it not written that the publicans and the harlots shall enter the kingdom of God before the just? --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 19:37, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

Yer "Castle"[edit]

Is gone. CЯacke® 20:30, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

Ames you know I think you're great and all but this is looking like a "please sir may I have another" moment! I shudder at the thought of being back under the thumb of those sociopaths. tmtoulouse heckle 20:44, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
The goal is to try to ensure that legal classes are presented fairly. But if TK seizes the chance to treat me as a red headed stepchild, you're right, I'm gone.-αmεσ (!) 20:45, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
Well good luck mate. tmtoulouse heckle 20:52, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

Thanks :-/. Would appreciate advice you have; do you think there's value to this goal?-αmεσ (!) 20:54, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

I don't understand why you should want to give AS's courses legitimacy.A bit like supping with the devil - you don't want to be tarred with the same brush. (metaphor mixing!) Think: when you graduate or whatever, do you want "Assisted Andrew Schlafley" on your resumé? - Or him saying "A joint creation with supreme court judge Ames G."? Susan Jayne Garlicktalk 20:57, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

Hah, I don't plan on any of this going on my resume :-/ and it is a delicate line to tread between affirming the project, and trying to prevent active damage done to others' educations. I feel I'm falling on the side of the latter right now. That's the plan at least. The idea of kids walking into law school with an 1800s view of the Fourteenth Amendment sickens me, and if I can fix that I'd like to... but if I cross into the former, then I'll ptfo.-αmεσ (!) 21:05, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
It's how many kids? Their parents will have the responsibility for letting AS tell them his version of law. What makes you think that what you do will stay in once the AS brain gets to work on it. I admire your altruistic motive but doubt your ability to get any real results. Susan Jayne Garlicktalk 21:15, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

Ugh, TK is a pernicious little twit. Just stay away till the classes start. tmtoulouse heckle 21:16, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

I agree with both Trent and Susan, TK is an ass and you're just spinning your wheels. The only benefit, and it's a pretty vague one, that I can see is that your desire to help just keeps their own personal delusion machines spinning at full load, hastening the inevitable meltdown and complete departure from reality. Which is good for lulz, bad for CP (which is good for everyone), but not so hot for you and does little for the kids. --Kels 21:22, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
Got to admit though, the antics on your userpage over there are wonderfully entertaining. So far, after razing your "castle" and protecting it, TK's unprotected it, Jallen and TK have edited it, and then TK locked it again, all without your input, and preventing you from having any in the future. The circus has, indeed, come to town. --Kels 23:16, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

I've decided that everyone here is right. I'm staying away until the class thing actually starts, having forgotten what Life with TK is really like. Blech. I'll try to do some good when the class starts... but... after seeing TK in his rarest form again, I feel unclean.-αmεσ (!) 10:20, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

If you're back here then could you sort out 3.4 x 1094 redlinks to Intermediate scrutiny. I think (95% confidence level) they're mostly yours. Apart from this one of course. p.s. glad youre here Susan Jayne Garlicktalk 10:39, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

Done!-αmεσ (!) 10:41, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

WTF! How did you do all that so fast? thanx! Susan Jayne Garlicktalk 10:53, 2 September 2007 (CDT)
Cut and paste, of course! You think he learned nothing from CP? =p --Kels 11:04, 2 September 2007 (CDT)
was already working on it :-p. Oh, I mean, "goat magic."αmεσ (!) 12:03, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

Wow--I never thought I'd see the day when "User:AmesG" was active on CP again. I think it's going to be cold in hell. Sterileblah, blah, blah 18:21, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

Ames, Ames, Ames...[edit]

Why must you do this to yourself? If you really must satisfy your masochistic needs, I'm sure there are many nice professionals in your area who can oblige. --Kels 21:35, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

I like reaping the whirlwind, what can I say?-αmεσ (!) 21:40, 2 September 2007 (CDT)
Ultravox! humanbe in 00:19, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

I see your encore has ended and the curtain has again closed. Alas. Can any of us really say we're surprised though? Could Andy really tolerate you bringing an unmandated opinion into his classes? Still, you get the Timex award for takin' a lickin' and keepin' on tickin'. DickTurpis 12:27, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

This is so classic. You're unblocked, have a few altercations with Conservative and TK, nothing major as far as I can see - at which point Karajou bursts in, starts bitching about ancient history, gives you "a very last chance", then reblocks 10 hours later without any further edits. Just like in the good old days. :D --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 13:00, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

It cause your from "the site that can not be named." God it must suck to be so insecure in your beliefs that you can not even acknowledge the existence of a counter idea. I have decided they are all closet atheist and find our arguments too convincing. tmtoulouse heckle 13:03, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

Oh, dear. And class hadn't even started yet. I wonder if they'll cover that freedom of speech thing? Sterileblah, blah, blah 19:53, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

Thanks! Jayjay4ever 21:30, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

That's funny ... if you look at when Karadumbass left his threat and when he blocked Ames, you'll notice that there were no edits made by Ames in between. Paranoid much? Jrssr5 10:50, 4 September 2007 (CDT)
He is a serious nutcase. I say this in the hopes that he sees this.-αmεσ (!) 12:04, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

I'm not sure[edit]

But I thought we didn't do infinite blocks? Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 22:04, 6 September 2007 (CDT)

For pr0n and spam bots I thought we did?-αmεσ (!) 22:04, 6 September 2007 (CDT)
I'm not sure, you'd have to ask Trent or such. Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 22:07, 6 September 2007 (CDT)
Ok, I vote infinite until stated otherwise. Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 22:15, 6 September 2007 (CDT)
Concurring.-αmεσ (!) 22:17, 6 September 2007 (CDT)
I vote a few days, up to a month. The thing is, the bots tend not to come back anyway. Even hardcore vandals go away most of the time after one rash of stupidity. Let's worry about longer times if we see the actual need to reblock an IP occur. That's my vote. humanbe in 22:44, 6 September 2007 (CDT)
Should I unblock/reblock the ones I permablocked?-αmεσ (!) 22:47, 6 September 2007 (CDT)
Probably, yes. If we find ourselves reblocking IPs that come back and spam after, say a month block, we can obviously revisit the topic. Once I realized what a putz he was, I blocked last night's vandal for a month, and each IP he then used similarly. humanbe in 22:56, 6 September 2007 (CDT)


Copying what I wrote at talk:global flood:
Someone more knowledgable than me needs to archive a lot of this [global flood] talk page (currently, it's over 111 kb). ThunderkatzHo! 13:17, 8 September 2007 (CDT)



Ooh, that's um, pritty....

RationalWiki E-mail Accounts[edit]

So, Linus set one up for me. I know my account is But can someone tell me the following....

Incoming server: Outgoing Server: SSL?:

HALP!-αmεσ (!) 00:08, 9 September 2007 (CDT)


What exactly is a proxy? Bohdan

Bohdan, it's like an internet condom. It hides your IP address :-/. And allows me to do things like that instead of working... shoot! Again, I congratulate you on maintaining yourself as a voice of sanity on CP. You and Iduan were the only reasonable people I interacted with aside from Order :-)-αmεσ (!) 21:56, 9 September 2007 (CDT)
Have you appealed your most recent block so you can take part in the class? I have to admit sockpuppets probably don't help your chances. Bohdan 22:00, 9 September 2007 (CDT)
Does this mean you gave your cat a last name? Bohdan 22:17, 9 September 2007 (CDT)
That scares me..... Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 22:21, 9 September 2007 (CDT)
P.S. Long time no see Mr. B.

I tried to rejoin so I could help kids who were getting a bad education at Andy's hands. Then I realized there were only two kids, and just how unpleasant it was to be in contact with TK, Karajou, and RobS again, and how many better things I had to do. So I have not appealed the decision. And yes, the cat has a last name... but only because the character in the book does. -αmεσ (!) 22:24, 9 September 2007 (CDT)

For the record Bohdan, how do you deal with those characters? Karajou, I think, is certifiably unbalanced, and RobS paranoid. However you do it - possibly with skillful application of goatspeed - good show.-αmεσ (!) 22:38, 9 September 2007 (CDT)
I try to stay away from controversy. Giving your cat a last name, that shows devotion! Bohdan 22:42, 9 September 2007 (CDT)

Oh man, she's adorable. She's been asleep this whole time, but I'm sure she would've enjoyed the fun. I'll post a picture later, we just adopted her. And yes, her - girlfriend chose the name, and was stuck on Richard Parker, regardless of gender :-P.-αmεσ (!) 22:44, 9 September 2007 (CDT)

Creepy Dude[edit]

Hey Ames Good to see you finally admitted to being Phoenix. You should have come clean long ago when the email came out. You are still playing with fire - don't you understand he will stalk you and make your life miserable - he's psychotic. By the way, it was Andy's decision to let you back, your "friend" was 100 percent against it. And your stuff is still being posted in the "special-discussion-group" for the "braintrust" (LOL) as well as the new sysop-only wiki that they made to replace the sysop-only "hidden pages" at CP that weren't well hidden: -- 22:34, 11 September 2007 (MDT)

Yes, that's disturbing. Messages like this, though, are more disturbing and remind me why I decided it was a good idea to stop talking to TK. Curiosity killed the Ames.-αmεσ (!) 22:52, 11 September 2007 (MDT)


Credit where it's due Ames. This boycott is YOURS! Have a bikkie! DogP 13:16, 14 September 2007 (MDT)

Bows. But in fairness I'm not abiding by it; I'm still scouting at teh CP so you don't have to :-) -αmεσ (!) 17:12, 14 September 2007 (MDT)


Asking permission (or requesting you) to de-redlink User:AmesG/OldCP humanbe in 15:55, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

I'll do it now; just logged on for the day :-) -αmεσ (!) 15:55, 15 September 2007 (EDT)
Well, that was certainly the easy way! Thanks! humanbe in 16:01, 15 September 2007 (EDT)


...for following me around with a pretty sloppy with the cats.--PalMD-Berate Me 21:33, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

Although I'm sure you'd find that most liberals are sloppy, I pride myself on my cleanliness :-D-αmεσ (!) 21:35, 15 September 2007 (EDT)


I put the following in my preferences {{SUBST:User:Tmtoulouse/sig}}, goto user:tmtoulouse/sig to see that. tmtoulouse heckle 23:19, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

But then it does this. Watch the horrors.

Goto user:tmtoulouse/sig and edit it and see what I have done, you dont put that code in the one you put in your preferences but transclude it. tmtoulouse heckle 23:29, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

Now I see. You're a genius.-αmεσ (spy) 23:29, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

Yes I am. tmtoulouse heckle 23:31, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

So does this mean you're still going to kill all proto-lawyers with your bot?-αmεσ (spy) 23:32, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

I think Genghis Kant blocked him, much like someone else as long as he is safely sealed your safe....just don't slip up and unblock him and unleash him unto the least until your no longer proto. tmtoulouse heckle 23:35, 16 September 2007 (EDT)
Did I miss something? Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 00:08, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
Depends on your innate fear of proto-lawyer hunting wikibots. tmtoulouse heckle 00:10, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
Shit, sounds scary..... Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 00:14, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
Best to leave him to rest in peace. tmtoulouse heckle 00:15, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
What would happen should I set him free? Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 00:19, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
WikiHorror beyond measure. tmtoulouse heckle 00:21, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
Intriguing..... now I just need to wait until everyone else is asleep, and then I set it free..... Muahahahaha..... Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 00:23, 17 September 2007 (EDT)


Cool stuff, I guess, but can you at least edit out the redlinks before saving them here? Wow... humanbe in 19:26, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

yes!-αmεσ (spy) 19:34, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Wait, Ames is debunking Rome? --Kels 19:38, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

I'm a gonna grab mah fiddle while I watch this... humanbe in 20:24, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

I took the liberty of creating the three redlinked Rome articles as basically empty stubs which now await your atention.:--Remarcsd 00:11, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Wouldn't we have been better off removing the links? They probably all come from the Romyish template thing. Stubs become junk "random articles", and I see no reason that we'll ever, well, what? Debunk ancient Rome??? humanbe in 00:42, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

More like debunking the use of Roman history to justify imperialism, is the theory. Someday.-αmεσ (spy) 12:17, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Pi Pledge[edit]

Hey check out RationalWiki:Site support and since you like userboxen you should make a couple of user boxes for each pledge level so that people who want to advertise that they have "pledged" on the site can. Then add the links on to the site support page. 17:13, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Will do buddy. Can I brag about my prior contributions?-αmεσ (spy) 17:14, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
Sure. tmtoulouse heckle 17:18, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Template:user pipledge it is. It'll be prettier when I get home.-αmεσ (spy) 17:19, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Don't forget to put them somewhere in our userbox lists, also. And, are you ever going to move your personal template out of the public space? humanbe in 17:28, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
Haha, thanks. Now to get SusanG to move her sig slogan generator... humanbe in 17:40, 18 September 2007 (EDT)


So, do you think this case has any chance legally? Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 00:37, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

Hah! The case has happened before.... in one case someone sued Satan... dismissal on "sovereign immunity" :-) and lack of personal jurisdiction. It's pretty hilarious though.-αmεσ (spy) 00:38, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
Here's another link. Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 00:43, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
Would somebody make an article tracking this "case" and its silliness??? humanbe in 00:50, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

<touches nose> NOT IT.-αmεσ (spy) 00:53, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, shit, that's what Trent says whenever I give him homework, too. Well, if "someone" cares... humanbe in 01:04, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
I'd love to do it, but unfortunately, my knowledge of common law ceased to be relevant about 500 years ago. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 14:29, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
Didn't someone, or am I remembering one of A.P. Herbert's misleading cases (fiction), once sue the Church as God's self proclaimed representatives on earth? SJGsjg 15:07, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
Where the hell is God going to get a lawyer? CЯacke® 15:18, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

Andrew Schlafly for the defense, your honor!-αmεσ (spy) 15:17, 21 September 2007 (EDT)


I was talking to him! Zhakrin 00:08, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

Ooops.-αmεσ (spy) 00:08, 24 September 2007 (EDT)


don't fuck with my law articles, Mr. pre-law boyyyyy!!!!! hehehe. OK, at least you didn't delete and rewrite everything I wrote... humanbe in 02:10, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

I warned you, bootch!!!! Quit schooling me with your city slicker trickery!!!! humanbe in 02:20, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

Sorry Human! I didn't mean to fuxx0r it!-αmεσ (spy) 19:40, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

Just kidding, of course. I'm just glad I didn't get them totally wrong! humanbe in 15:58, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

Always watching.....Stubbot 14:19, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

IMPOSTOR!!!! That's my line. Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 00:56, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

I enjoyed that[edit]

Well...getting that little essay written over at CP was fun! Note that they haven't actually disputed any of my major points. They merely launched the ad-hominator at me. Good times!--Patthew 16:31, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

I.R. Baboon[edit]

Wow, so I'm not the only person who watched that. Funny, I always hated the main show, but the IRB bits were gold. --Kels 14:41, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

Oh, that was cracka, not me :-)-αmεσ (spy) 14:50, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
Oops. Well then, you suck for not watching it. Cripes, man, what's with you? --Kels 15:53, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

Thought you might enjoy this[edit]

On CP's anti-gay page(s) they include a list of folks supposedly arrested for just praying in public and other blather. Anyway, if you look at the part here you'll notice a guy named David Ott. Turns out, he is fabricated out of whole cloth. I thought this was really weird. Anyway, food for thought. 15:26, 28 September 2007 (EDT)


So many things to do, so little time! ----ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ♦Τάļќ ǃ 00:57, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Im free!!! Im free!!!--PalMD-Oy, mein tukhas! 01:00, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
Thx gods almightys-αmεσ (spy) 01:01, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
Im scared of aliens--they probe your rectum without even buying dinner.--PalMD-Oy, mein tukhas! 01:03, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
So do Doctors! ;-) ----ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ♦Τάļќ ǃ 04:58, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
Doctors buy their own dinner... humanbe in 05:08, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

An Apology[edit]

Sorry 'bout the F-bomb on the front page. I'm still in a little shock here. Won't happen again. PFoster 20:16, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

YOU WILL BE BANNED ZOMG. No, if a site can drop the n-bomb, you're justified in being that upset. I was too. Crikey! I still don't get what metapedia is exactly; racist-a-pedia? But you apologize to me as if I had authority. You should know better than that!-αmεσ (spy) 20:23, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
I spent, uh, 3 minutes at meta racist - o - pedia. Well, people will be idiots. No voice for them allowed here. Is that narrow-minded? Anti-free speech? No, just not allowing hard core racists to use the server space we pay for? Dumb jackass apparently has "his own wiki". Engage him and anger/bore/revert him every where he turns up here. No waste of time blocking - undo the racist crap and endlessly discuss his crap on his talk page. humanbe in 02:55, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
I still say we should purchase a (perhaps used) bot to dig up links to meta and kill them--PalMD-Oy, mein tukhas! 10:40, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
Suggest it to Tmt, to put on his todo list... or maybe Linus can do it? humanbe in 17:37, 2 October 2007 (EDT)


Thanks for the addition how much spanish can you speak?The AlienDon't tase me, Bro!!! 01:47, 2 October 2007 (EDT)


An example of a "lolcat", designed by a Conservapedia RationalWiki editor to mock the vandals who waste time on CP.

Uh oh, did he really call this correctly? -Smyth 15:50, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

Rob just switched to total overdrive and now rollbacks anything the AmesG account ever touched. --Sid 16:29, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
Wow, that's...well, I knew he was a total paranoid whackjob but this is pretty crazy. Doesn't he bother to actually read any of this stuff? Or maybe find out if it's real material before he destroys it? All he's managing to do is make CP stupider, and I didn't think that was possible! --Kels 16:31, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
His whitewash begins. 16:32, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
Cool. A little more of this and the whole site will be nothing but copypasta glossaries, loving dissertations on anal sex and love letters to Ann Coulter and Joe McCarthy's corpse. --Kels 16:34, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
Oh snap, what should I do with banwatch of MichaelS? 16:36, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
Funny thing --Kels 16:38, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
Say, was this MichaelS' IP? It got blocked right after I posted the above. --Kels 16:41, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
I was thinking that was someone from Meta, who have been making contributions there lately as well. Can we get confirmation that Rob isn't insanely paranoid and this actually was a sock? Or is that all hush-hush? -Smyth 16:45, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
Actually, I think Ames outed himself over here. --Kels 16:50, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

MichaelS was me, yes, and I don't relish the comparison to Metapedia. Unfortunate. I've told them to remove all of my content, since Rob started doing it, he might as well finish... the challenge is posted in any of the latest contributions here. I think it's fair.-αmεσ (spy) 18:01, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

Also, sorry I blanked your commentary, Kels. I was at the doctors and didn't want Rob to block my IP before I could execute my plan.-αmεσ (spy) 18:05, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
I'm a little braindead. What did you blank? --Kels 21:33, 5 October 2007 (EDT)


I now this is gonna be tough for you, based on past comments. Please, let us just take them down in a "free speech" world? Hang in there... humanbe in 21:41, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

I'm all for free speech but kick meta ass, please. They're a ...different type.-αmεσ (spy) 23:18, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
I hope I will have your back before you get deeply offended. See here, at least. I know you are sensitive to this nasty racist shit, all I ask is that you let us wrangle them to the ground, rather than blocking on sight. I'm sure you're up to it. Remember, you're not alone in this battle. And, I agree. CP is "funny" & wrong. MP is just sick & wrong. humanbe in 23:42, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

Oh, okay :-). I'll put the banhammer to rest. The farther away from Rob I am, the better the world is.-αmεσ (spy) 23:47, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

Goat retentive[edit]

Getting a little goat retentive over your contribs, huh? RobS 15:44, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

If anyone's gone anal it's newt... Susantalk to me
There is a serious obsession with teh buttsechs. 16:37, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

Rob, I have no idea what you're referring to. What the hell? Go back to trying to perfect your gay bomb. Hey, if it works, you may even make a few new "friends."-αmεσ (spy) 18:43, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

block time half-life[edit]


It looks like there is a nice, exponential decay curve from user creation until block, with a half-life of 5.8 minutes. VirileSterileyawn! 15:47, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

that thing[edit]

i emailed you back per your request. Have at it.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 23:18, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

I didn't get 'em yet!-αmεσ (spy) 23:22, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
Crap, i emailed a while ago...ill resend?--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 23:27, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
I just resent...check again?--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 23:29, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

Aaaaaaaand NYU mail wins again. Your 11:03 message just arrived. & well done buddy! -αmεσ (spy) 23:31, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

Those poor little intertube gerbils. Run, gerbil, run!--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 23:33, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

Exactly! I look forward to seeing that dude's reply. You've pwned.-αmεσ (spy) 23:39, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

I sent you his idiotic response about hopkins, which is a place he apparently discovered (i bet he doesnt know who osler was). He keeps re-citing the same article, which quotes the article i sent you, which doesnt mention GBS. Fucking tool. May the Goat nibble on his testes--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 23:41, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

I don't know who "John Hokins" is, but he seems to place great stake in him.-αmεσ (spy) 23:42, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

I hope you dont mind[edit]

On 10/10/07, Ames wrote:

   Ken, since you're not a doctor, and neither am I, I've copied a real
   doctor to talk to you about this study.  Dr. L, sorry to bug you.
   Could I ask your help taking Ken on regarding this issue?
   David Jensen wrote:
   > Dear Ames,
   > You told me that the various symptoms are gay bowel syndrome are not
   > related.  You clearly did not read the CP article.  You have shown in
   > the past that you do not care about facts.
   > Both Johns Hopkins and Medscape state:
   > "There were multiple studies of the newly recognized "gay bowel
   > syndrome" in the late 1970s and early 1980s. However, subsequent
   > attention and study has been sparse, in part attributed to reduced
   > frequency thought to reflect changing practices by gay men in response
   > to the HIV < /HIV> epidemic. This study
   > clearly indicates that it is still an issue, since the cases were
   > studied in 2001-2002."
   > (see: /Gay_Bowel_Syndrome )
   > Here is the Wikipedia article on Johns Hopkins in case you are not
   > familar with them:
   > /Johns_Hopkins_University _School_of_Medicine
   > Next, I improved the article based on your feedback as I now in a
   > stronger fashion show some of the maladies of gay bowel syndrome are
   > related plus I added some other material. Thank you for your input.
   > Lastly, Yahoo ranks the CP gay bowel syndrome #1 and I am guessing the
   > other search engines may soon rank it high as well especially given
   > your helpful feedback and the conservative organization and press
   > which may soon link to the article.
   > Sincerely,
   > Conservative

I don't expect Cons to accept anything I say, but I'll say it anyway.

A few points: 1) On the point about google rank, an article on any real disease will not have such a high rank. Its high rank reflects the fact that no one else is really writing about it. Compare it to, for example, breast cancer, which CP also has a controversial article on, but not much google cred.

2)"You told me that the various symptoms are gay bowel syndrome are not related. You clearly did not read the CP article. You have shown in the past that you do not care about facts." Citing your own source is bad form.

3) The 2004 and 1995 study cited in the 2004 medscape review was interesting--and repetitive. Most importantly, the 2004 study regarding proctitits (attached for your perusal) MAKES NO MENTION OF "GAY BOWEL". None at all. That is an editorial comment on medscape.

What the article does make clear is the spectrum of disorders in gay men at one SF clinic--important info, to be sure. It only emphasizes the fact that "Gay Bowel" is meaningless, as there are a myriad of disorders found in gay and straight patients, and that you have to test for and treat the correct condition.

Does that answer the question?


BTW, Ames...we totally PWND!!!!111! him.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 12:39, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

No dude, you did :-). I was way out of my depth, but yes, in the end, he was totally pwned by the joint efforts of Ames & Pal. Great show! He's e-mailed us back a few times, just bitching, but it's all just bitching... no argumentation. Wictory! (wikivictory)-αmεσ (spy) 12:45, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

Always watching.....Stubbot 22:44, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

My userpage[edit]

Thanks. I wasn't sure how to do that. I Eat Glue 11:06, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

No prob! I was worried that interfering with your page would make me sketchy, but I thought that's what you were trying to get at, so glad to help!-αmεσ (spy) 11:24, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

Ecclesia Quote Mine[edit]

I'd love to, but I haven't gotten any reply. I don't think I'm going to get one. But I'll be happy to make mention of it in the article. --user:Egnome 1:29, 20 Octobery 2007

Please do! Heckuva job.-αmεσ (spy) 01:43, 20 October 2007 (EDT)

RW pic[edit]

Yeah I forgot, thank you. I'll upload another one without the name. In Christ. Jayjay4ever 18:29, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Haha, goatspeed dude :-)-αmεσ (spy) 18:30, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Nio Naughtzee[edit]

I gotta say, your spit-take there was a joy to behold. XD --Kels 19:09, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

That's exactly what it was! Like Jon Stewart... gluggluggl-WHA-spoooooooooooot.-αmεσ (spy) 19:18, 21 October 2007 (EDT)


Thanks!The AlienSick Freak!!! 02:23, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

Private message[edit]

Ames, I've sent you a pm via the forum.--Bobbing for apples 13:49, 22 October 2007 (EDT)


There. See the diff, Bob? The Kenservative book on email style clearly says you need to work in the word "important" and be very verbose in the headline. BTW, sorry for just fuckin around with this, but I couldn't resist! :P -- --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 19:27, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

hahahahahaha humanUser talk:Human 19:29, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

Incredibly and unnecessarily long subject header that will look funny on recent changes for a while and one that I am tempted to repeat in the post itself but won't this time, although I reserve the right to do so in the future[edit]

I see hints that you may now be persona non grata at CW. In fact, it appears that at least one person was salivating over the prospect of you being banned so he could reply to you after the fact (awesome move, that one). Is this true? Say it ain't so!!! Tell me the dream is alive!! And if it's dead, well, congrats on your ever-increasing blacklist total.--Bayesupdate 00:50, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

There's no "W" in Conservapedia. And, "W" isn't even near "P"! What were you thinkin'??? humanUser talk:Human 01:32, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Human, he means CretinWiki, which is another barrel of monkeys (specially created, unevolved/ing ones, mind you). Thanks for showing me Bayes :-). I think it's very telling that Terry's only way out of my argument is to (1) point out that the entire first amendment jurisprudence might be overturned making him correct, or, (2) Jesus is comin' any day now, making it a moot point. Those are not exactly convincing counterarguments; one wonders why he waited until I was gone to enunciate them. Hmmmmm. Anyways, yes, Bayes, I did bite the dust over there, for making a snarky comment (see RationalWiki:NPOV). Alas. I hope you keep up the good fight there without me, though; for one, you ought to tear Terry a new one on that argument... -αmεσ (spy) 01:42, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

My bad, I didn't even read the link properly. Sorry, M. Bayes!!! Now, back to our regularly scheduled snarkfest... humanUser talk:Human 03:07, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Human, is "M." there a deliberate reference to the honorific in the Hyperion sci-fi series?-αmεσ (spy) 09:29, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

I gotta say, I'm disappointed in CW, because it seemed that their policy was to give non-creationists some degree of latitude on their talk pages. At least, I expected that people from here would last longer than at CP. Pie in the sky idealism on my part I guess, given that CP dudes are in charge there too. Human-san, I'm flattered you find me worthy of the monsieur title. And Ames, we may agree on some other stuff, but your taste in TV and books makes me want to throw up :-).--Bayesupdate 12:53, 23 October 2007 (EDT) <- sticks to ridiculous over-the-top drama instead of ridiculous over-the-top sci-fi

Bayes, are you not a sci-fi fan!? Hyperion is kickass awesome! It's like as good as Ender's Game! The sequels, sure, not as hot, but... that means it's even more like Ender's Game, but not written by a crazy-conservative-homophobic Mormon (I use the first three as pejoratives, not the last one)... which makes it better than Ender's Game!!! And do you refer to my passion for Battlestar Galactica? I do apologize that I'm so divorced from reality that I didn't know that "m." means "monsieur." Ugh.-αmεσ (spy) 13:24, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Ender's game are writ for 12 year olds and are otherwise crap. There hasn't been 1 good TV SF in all history. Susantalk to me 13:35, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Strong words Susan.--Bobbing for apples 13:48, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Harry Potter's also written for 12 years olds but it still roxxorz.-αmεσ (spy) 13:49, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

The b******s all outsell me 10000x & r therefore to be despised. Susantalk to me 13:56, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Those who cannot comprehend the greatness of Hyperion are clearly too far removed from reality. Harry Potter? Maybe less so. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 14:07, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

I actually DO like stuff like Ender's Game (sorry Susan!) have a point there. I am probably the last person on earth who has managed to not read any Harry Potter stuff yet (and why bother to start now, if I already know that the one guy is gay--OK, kidding). I think my main beef is with the sci-fi TV scene. As a kid I kinda liked the Star Trek Next Generation series, but I got disillusioned after about 47 rip-offs. Then everything went to hell with stuff like wp:Cleopatra 2525. Stargate never really did it for me either, but Richard Dean Anderson still r0xx the house because of MacGyver. He needs to regrow a mullet.--Bayesupdate 14:28, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Mm. read ender's game & realised when I was about to buy second one just how condescending it was - it assumes that you've the experience of a 12 y.o. It's baby food SF for comfort & reading without thinking. So I didn't buy 2nd (or any others). As they used to say about radio "The pictures are better" - you can't possibly compete with the mental pictures that a good book produces. I'd like to see William Gibson film/tv'd but they'd probably put some pretty boys / girls in & ruin 'em (or even worse that Sutherland guy!). Susanspeak your mind 15:07, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Wow, all that from one letter! When I use M. it's either pretensiousness, or, more likely, wanting to add a "title" and not knowing (or remembering) if someone is a boy or a girl... or both. Since "M." can stand for monsieur or madame or mademoiselle or monkey... hahahahahahahaha. I'm not even going to comment on the alleged "literature" under discussion other than to say "to each their own, and let them be happy". humanUser talk:Human 15:10, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Ender's Game, mindless! Heresy! It's about difference, and struggling with uniqueness, and the role the extremely powerful has to play. But, yes, it caters to those who've had the experience of a 12yo boy, definitely, but I don't think the themes are generally that vapid... we might have our first disagreement :-(-αmεσ (spy) 15:11, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Also, not to appeal to authority or anything, but I would point out that both Ender's Game and Speaker of the Dead have won both Hugo and Nebula awards. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:14, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

(ec) OK! Live & let live -- someday I'll give you my ISBN numbers(s - not yet) & get your feedback. Susanspeak your mind 15:20, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, I think Human's right... we should live & let live :-). But what're your books? Why didn't I know you're a writer? That's awesome!-αmεσ (spy) 15:24, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Only 1 published so far & that's not paid for its print run! Second in fourth rewrite as we talk. Susanspeak your mind 15:32, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Jebus. Subject? ISBN?-αmεσ (spy) 15:44, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Getting rid of that really stupid overlong header that fills up RC with verbiage unnecessarily.[edit]

SF - what else - not telling identification possible - anonymity to be presrved @ all costs. Susanspeak your mind 15:50, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

I agree, that is awesome! I can't imagine what it would take to write a novel. But I'd be interested in someday reading your book(s) too, Susan. Such talent here! There ought to be a depository for work by RWians. We could call it the Trashional Heap. 'Course, any submissions would need to undergo a peer review process that's up to the standards of M. Schlafly.--Bayesupdate 16:01, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
I agree with everything expressed immediately above. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:04, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Hahahahahahahaha, great ideas, both... humanUser talk:Human 16:05, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
'Course, to live up to Schlafly's exacting standards, we'd need to put together a peer review board that's less corrupt than the Oxford Distinctions Committee. Won't be easy, especially since we're all deceitful liberals. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:08, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
We have to hope that the deceit of referees will somehow cancel out the deceit of the submitter. Otherwise we're screwed.--Bayesupdate 16:17, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
...Sounds good. Lets do it. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:25, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

My publisher needs to hear that (awsomeness) they think I'm a bit of a liability but my agent/editor's got faith - so far. Susanspeak your mind 16:12, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

I have little experience with publishers, but if they're anything like journal editors, I guess they can be pretty mean-spirited people. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:25, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

I have an excellent editor/agent who has worked (so far) for very little cash/hour - he thinks I'm the next hope of british SF if " You can get more commercial Miss -'" trouble is I don't know how to write - I just tell the story as the protagenists go through it. At present in 4th rewrite 500pp -> 400 -> 600 etc. etc Started this about 18 months ago for pennies. Not an income generator! I've had almost zero personal contact with publisher. Susanspeak your mind 17:05, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Right, bought Hyperion. I'll let you know! (See also Talk:Singularity) Susanspeak your mind 08:42, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
I had no clue we had a real writer around. When you hit the big time, you have to let us read your stuff! I'll read almost any SciFi (now I have to read Hyperion). Good luck! With all the crappy SF out there, I hope they decide that yours is either good or at least better than most; publish, and let the reader decide!--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 18:42, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Hyperion is amazing :-). But I agree, I want to read Susan's material. I hope you guys like it... one problem is that it's a LITTLE oversexed.-αmεσ (spy) 19:29, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

The Great Purge[edit]

I tried to continue the discussion at CW, but with exactly zero warnings, I've been hit with teh Bannination. Not only that, I've actually been purged from their record of users--if I try to log in, I get a message saying that my username doesn't exist! I guess the question of whether creationists resort to shady tactics is officially resolved. No big surprise, but still...geez. I just wonder how long it'll be before Mr. T declares "victory" because I "refuse" to respond. Oh well, the goat's better here anyway.--Bayesupdate 18:26, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

HAHAHAHA! Oh Bayes, you suffered my fate. You get an entry on WIGO for a valiant defense. And I do contend, Terry, if you're reading this, that I am more of an expert than you are in first amendment law. For one, I've been to law school. For two, I've read a book.-αmεσ (spy) 19:29, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

don't do it[edit]

Ames, don't make me post our conversation. Bohdan 00:54, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

Don't do it Bohdan..... Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 00:59, 26 October 2007 (EDT) (By that I mean do it by all means.)

Our conversation?-αmεσ (spy) 01:01, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

User:Bohdan/AmesGandCats I think you just got trolled. Bohdan 01:03, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
Sorry Ames. If it offends you, delete it immediately. Bohdan 01:08, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
Hahahaha, that was brilliant. Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 01:09, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
I think Ames is offended by my implication that he has kicked his cat. I apologize if you are offended. I meant no harm. Bohdan 01:10, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
So, Bohdan, are you a cat person, or a dog person? Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 01:12, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
Pinto, perhaps I went to far. Please delete the page. Bohdan 01:14, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
  • AmesG, I know you have not kicked your cats. Please forgive my implying that you have done so. Bohdan 01:16, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

This is the funniest thing ever. Can I put it in my userspace if you don't want it in yours :-) ?-αmεσ (spy) 01:20, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

How did you find it?[edit]

Spread the word! --HVista-epiphany.pngjimachong 22:26, 28 October 2007 (EDT)

PS - you might want to consider archiving


On Facebook.

NOW. --HVista-epiphany.pngjimachong 23:56, 28 October 2007 (EDT)

Shocking stuff. Replied. This is a fateful day.-αmεσ (spy) 00:24, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
Shocking stuff? what is it what is it what is it what is it what is it what is it what is it what is it what is it Bohdan 01:34, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
Go ahead Ames. Shun me. I don't care. Bohdan 01:40, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
It goes mostly to the fact that RobS fiddles trolls.-αmεσ (spy) 01:41, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Ames hitting his cat[edit]

  • I forgive you Ames. You will make a good lawyer. Bohdan 00:24, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Yay! Don't ever leave again. We need you to wandalise and keep us honest.-αmεσ (spy) 00:24, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Bohdan is a clever little bugger.-αmεσ (spy) 00:32, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
Hoji thinks he's funny

How did I know that when you uploaded this it'd be for me?-αmεσ (spy) 01:35, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

You must be psychic. there is no other explanation.Bohdan
I am. Also, I get sentimental when I'm tired. I can't help it.... sniff.-αmεσ (spy) 01:46, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Ames, I didn't know you like Vladimir Putin. The picture you added isn't working though. Bohdan

Nevermind, I guess you didn't add it. Bohdan 01:49, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

I'm not so much a Putin fan :-/. Although I shouldn't say that too loudly; I take my tea sans-polonium. If I recall you're not a fan of his :-)-αmεσ (spy) 01:50, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Be honest, are you a sock of tmtoulouse? I operate the Human and PalMD sockpuppets.Bohdan 01:52, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
I hear 210Po is quite tasty. Although nothing beats good ol' Dioxin. --HVista-epiphany.pngjimachong 01:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

It is a true honor to be thought of as a sock of our Fearless Leader. But unfortunately, no. I do, however, operate both Andy and Roger Schlafly. I must say, the work of creating their personalities is rather dull.-αmεσ (spy) 02:06, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Wow, you truly are a Black Hole. Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 03:35, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

RobS is my sock. I use him to reveal the ultimate communist/jewish/atheist/FDA conspiracy without losing my cred at the meetings.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 08:27, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

I must come clean, TK is my sock. Or is it the other way around? Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 13:02, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

silly wandal[edit]

Think it's some kind of bot - it comes around every day & drops these letters all over the place & then changes IP. SusanYou don't have to talk, but ... 18:35, 30 October 2007 (EDT) Oh & thanks for "sticking it in". SusanYou don't have to talk, but ...


If God exists, he sure is just! — Unsigned, by: hojimachong / talk / contribs

THAT is totally awesome.-αmεσ (spy) 18:56, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
hey ames got your email. go ahead and add me to YIM same name as the email. 19:27, 1 November 2007 (EDT)


It is time we develop a new term I think--pseudolaw. The analogies to pseudoscience are very strong. Here is an example:

Check here

and here

here the homepage for the "company

I have more......what do you think? tmtoulouse heckle 10:51, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

This is amazing, it has all the elements of just about every conspiracy and pseudolaw argument all rolled into one. This is a letter that as actually sent to a judge. Check it would you handle such a client as this? tmtoulouse heckle 09:38, 8 November 2007 (EST)
Wow... humanUser talk:Human 12:52, 8 November 2007 (EST)


Moved to my user page.The AlienSick Freak!!! 20:22, 2 November 2007 (EDT)


Hi AmesG, thanks for the welcome. I am one of the few people here who was never a Conservapedia member/user. Just looking at that site makes me break out in hives, and I don't even consider myself a "liberal" as such. I do, however, contribute to Wikipedia fairly frequently.

Anyway, I will probably be making some sporadic contributions. I'm not sure what I will work on yet. --Wet Walnuts 02:13, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Don't block me[edit]

But if you do, don't do it like your a character in Animal Farm. — Unsigned, by: nwo / talk / contribs

USSR Symbol[edit]

This is very offensive. I am disturbed that you of all people would "proudly" display it. [10] It is banned in some countries. To millions of people who suffered horrors you can't imagine, this is the same as you displaying a swastika. Bohdan 22:12, 8 November 2007 (EST)

I guess in America it's been detoxified, but I had not thought about the experience of people in your part of the world, Bohdan, so I'll pull it from my profile.-αmεσ (spy) 23:18, 8 November 2007 (EST)
Yeah, I'd wager the "Stars and Bars" wouldn't get much of a rise over to the Ukraine. CЯacke® 23:31, 8 November 2007 (EST)

I don't think it's something that should be banned, but if it makes a user more comfortable, I'm happy to oblige. I whited the character out, just so I can keep it around in case I ever want to know how to make the hammer & sickle in wiki-code... but it doesn't show on the page anymore.-αmεσ (spy) 23:33, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Am I missing something? To me it just showed a large question mark. Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 23:42, 8 November 2007 (EST)

I invented the question mark.-αmεσ (spy) 23:43, 8 November 2007 (EST)

I find your lack of glyphs disturbing. --Jeeves 01:04, 9 November 2007 (EST)


thanks for letting me catdch stile4aly's volunteerism. You want 'crat so you can play the user rights game? I see no reason why not. Just, please, don't abuse checkuser, it creeps me out. humanUser talk:Human 22:56, 10 November 2007 (EST)

I promises and you can trust me because I'm not yet a lawyer!-αmεσ (spy) 22:57, 10 November 2007 (EST)
Congratulations. I know I can trust you because... well, I know I can trust you. humanUser talk:Human 22:57, 10 November 2007 (EST)
ZOMG. My first act is to hand the entire site to NightTrain. How do I... errr... do that?-αmεσ (spy) 22:58, 10 November 2007 (EST)
Er, please don't do that, hehe. At least not for more than a few seconds. humanUser talk:Human 22:59, 10 November 2007 (EST)
PS, nice job cleaning up after that fisher price thing. Much work... humanUser talk:Human 22:59, 10 November 2007 (EST)
Wins! Sorry, been reading icanhascheezburger all day instead of working.-αmεσ (spy) 23:00, 10 November 2007 (EST)
Congrats. *Plots ames' murder* Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 23:05, 10 November 2007 (EST)
That's it, I'm making you a bot too.-αmεσ (spy) 23:05, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Delusions of Grandeur[edit]

I hereby DEMAND that you create a special usergroup for me (the "Benevolent Dictator and Supreme Tyrant" usergroup) and make me the only member. Or not. --Ζωροάστρης 23:03, 10 November 2007 (EST)

How do I do that?-αmεσ (spy) 23:04, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Wow, I was really just tempted to make Bohdan a bot.-αmεσ (spy) 23:04, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Race and Intelligence[edit]

Personally, I think that would be a wonderful place to place MLK's speech, since it has to do with both. --Kels 13:38, 11 November 2007 (EST)

LULZ. Next time it comes up :-) -αmεσ (spy) 13:38, 11 November 2007 (EST)

GofG on TK[edit]

have you seen this before? It's new to me. --Ζωροάστρης 14:34, 11 November 2007 (EST)

Interesting. Is there any other way to view that? Scrolling to the bottom to scroll across while reading is murder. humanUser talk:Human 14:46, 11 November 2007 (EST)
I don't think so... I found it while Googling myself :D. I think I'll go Google you now, human (that'll be hard). --Ζωροάστρης 14:50, 11 November 2007 (EST)

That's a fairly un-incriminating conversation, though, especially for TK!-αmεσ (spy) 15:25, 11 November 2007 (EST)

Not incriminating, but certainly revealing. The passive-aggressive is strong in this one! --Kels 17:07, 11 November 2007 (EST)


How do you spell TK's last name? --Ζωροάστρης 00:45, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Not gonna "out" his full name on-wiki more than it already is... but you might want to check your "My-Face" account.-αmεσ (spy) 00:48, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Renaming teh wandals for justice[edit]

Awww, I wanna be able to do that... --transResident Transfanform! 11:24, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Can you rename SteriIe (not me, Sterile) to something else? VirileSterileyawn! 11:26, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Done! I was gonna do it, but the subway came and cut off my reception.-αmεσ (spy) 11:43, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Variation on a meme[edit]

As a fellow lolcat-lover and historian, you ought to take a look at this. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:41, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Always watching.....Stubbot 15:50, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Akj that was lolsome! Love it. Things like that give me hope yet.-αmεσ (spy) 18:24, 15 November 2007 (EST)
Check out what wikintwerp posted under CP at the forae... humanUser talk:Human 18:37, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Trigger finger[edit]

Thanks. No problem. Glad an admin was around or I could have been up all night. Hell, might be anyway. DickTurpis 01:16, 23 November 2007 (EST)

I mean, if there's something good on, right?-αmεσ (spy) 01:17, 23 November 2007 (EST)
Well, do Conan reruns count as "good"? DickTurpis 01:19, 23 November 2007 (EST)
Good is definitely relative :-). DAMN WRITER'S STRIKE! CAVE, STUDIOS, YOU FREAKIN JERKS! I would say Battlestar Galactica (new) reruns > Conan.-αmεσ (spy) 01:41, 23 November 2007 (EST)
Hmm. Haven't seen the show. I'm not all that into sci-fi, in general. Though I was getting into Firefly for a bit there. Yeah, damn strike. A friend of mine who works for Colbert was telling me at "work" he's just been playing games and watching movies. And I thought he had a good job before. DickTurpis 01:52, 23 November 2007 (EST)


Ames, you wouldn't like to move your Essay "Bias in Conservapedia" from "Essay" to Conservapedia (ie, de-essay it) would you? There's nothing worth the name in the current article. (I might steal it anyway!) Susan... miaow ... 14:55, 25 November 2007 (EST)

It was only a suggestion! (I haven't even got my whip with me!) Susan... miaow ... 18:02, 25 November 2007 (EST)

Tee hee! Was just having fun... You were right about the move!-αmεσ (spy) 21:20, 25 November 2007 (EST)


Lulz at User:RosaParksFan. Smite the fascist menace, comrade! -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!

Helios wuz here[edit]

As long as I'm here, I thought I'd drop by to say hi. ɧєɭıסş-get sunburn! 01:01, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Hey buddy! Always glad to see you.-αmεσ (spy) 01:20, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Give User:HeartOfGold his powers, as you said you would.[edit]

Yesterday you promised to give that user his sysop powers. [11] I realize you are a lawyer, but your not a liar also, are you? :) Bohdan 19:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)

The mob stepped in to discuss the matter. And HG hasn't come back and commented yet, from what I can tell. humanUser talk:Human 19:19, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Yeah, I wasn't planning on giving him any powaz back until he came back and talked to us about it first. My hope was that I'd be able to talk to him last night and figure it out, but mob intervention means that, in the words of Spock, the good of the many outweighs the good of the one.-αmεσ (spy) 21:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)

(It's Surak, actually.) --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 22:24, 12 December 2007 (EST) [Gains nerdness +1]

I will not live long and prosper
My middle name is not Foster
I am not Silek son of Sam
I will not eat Green Eggs and Ham
-- Dr. Seuss Goes to Vulcan (excerpt)

Kjeldsen, ∞ + 1 means very little. And Ames, doesn't that mean you lied? You clearly said in the post that you would give him his powers back. You are already a cat beater, don't be a liar also. Bohdan 22:30, 12 December 2007 (EST)
Okay, that poem was cool. But listen Akj, you don't want to go up against me in Star Trek trivia. That may've been Surak, as quoted in Enterprise season 4, but it was Spock in Wrath of Kahn, Search for Spock, and Voyage Home, FIRST! Punk. Oh, and Bohdan, I already gave you Oversight, don't push your luck-αmεσ (spy) 22:32, 12 December 2007 (EST)

And legally speaking there's an agency issue: could he have reasonably relied upon my apparent agency to act unilaterally? Doubt it. I'll make sure it works out if he comes back. If he comes back :-/-αmεσ (spy) 22:33, 12 December 2007 (EST)

That sounds like a fancy way of saying "I lied to HeartOfGold". Bohdan 22:35, 12 December 2007 (EST)
I like you Bohdan. When I get pissy and complain I just get called names. Lurker 22:47, 12 December 2007 (EST)
Keep complaining. Just ignore the name calling. Bohdan 22:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
I will and I do :) Lurker 23:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)

The more appropriate answer is "I messed up." I didn't know that he'd been removed for misconduct, I thought he'd been removed when he went on sabbatical (like Airdish, who was recently re-crat'd, because he returned). So I didn't know the fax :-(-αmεσ (spy) 22:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Correct. Now, back to the essential question here! It may be true that Spock said it first, but as there is no doubt that he quoted Surak, it should properly be attributed to him. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 22:44, 12 December 2007 (EST)
What "misconduct"? Different opinions? Reluctancy to be a RW Kool-Aid drinker? Be fair, give him his powers back. Bohdan 22:49, 12 December 2007 (EST)

When he comes back, we'll talk to him: I don't know what it was but his desysop message was "abuse." And AKj, that's HEARSAY!-αmεσ (spy) 22:52, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Bohdan, you know that AmesG is in Law School. He strives to become a professional liar for hire! How can you hope to best him in this argument? Heart's "misconduct" was his idealogical differences with the PTB (Powers That Be) nothing more. He was driven off the same as they try with me, same as they did with Jazzman and others, whenever they don't like someone. Trying to argue with dishonest people is like spitting into the wind. --TK/MyTalk 23:01, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Hey, Bohdan was oversight for at least 30 seconds last night, I'll have you know. And, I wasn't aware of the reasons for his desysopping, nor am I now. So... we'll see? Look, at the point that we're even considering having a sysop who disagrees with us, we're heads and shoulders above CP. Give it a rest. We don't know the facts, so we'll wait and see, unless someone can link to the diff(s) that bought his desysopping.-αmεσ (spy) 23:04, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Uh-oh ames. Tmtoulouse, Colin R, Hojimachong, they were all liberal sysops. The only conservative sysop you have had was driven away for reasons you don't even know. And my hope is to simply complain enough that they just let him have his sysopship back. professional liar for hire ha ha ha! Ouch! Bohdan 23:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)
Wait, I had oversight? Does that mean I could have banned you and tmtoulouse? Bohdan 23:08, 12 December 2007 (EST)

You could have desysopped and destroyed the entire wiki. But you only had it for 20 seconds or so. See?-αmεσ (spy) 23:11, 12 December 2007 (EST)

A thousand curses Ames! A thousand curses... Bohdan 23:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)

So in conclusion, we'll see about HG. And I'll have you know that the cat is very happy right now, bohdan, she's asleep with the girlfriend, not being beaten or anything.-αmεσ (spy) 23:15, 12 December 2007 (EST)

I'll have you know that we have at least a couple of non-liberal sysops on this wiki. And they are sane! Very cool. And they want to not only be here, but make the site better! humanUser talk:Human 23:31, 12 December 2007 (EST)
Please continue here

Can you get me in at wikipedia?[edit]

Can you get me in at wikipedia? Thanks. HeartGoldDeny you're a communist 00:09, 13 December 2007 (EST)

I barely ever use my account there :-/ -αmεσ (spy) 00:13, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Can't anyone edit there? Just create an account and use it, don't "cry like a little girl". humanUser talk:Human 00:39, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Can I work on my Swarm Essay?[edit]

It is insulting (but it makes you think, I hope). HeartGoldDeny you're a communist 00:16, 13 December 2007 (EST)

It certainly makes me think... about what is another story... but essay namespace is your playground.-αmεσ (spy) 00:18, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Ah, nevermind. HeartGoldDeny you're a communist 00:35, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Man, like you need us to write that thing? Got a copy of Word, or Frontpage? Get a free blog and work it out to your heart's content! Heck, I don't post everything I write on RW. I save the good stuff to get rich off of!!!! Or sumthin. humanUser talk:Human 00:58, 13 December 2007 (EST)

what the hell[edit]

Please try not to rename me when i am sockpuppteering for fun. It logs me out for some reason. --You know who i am

Of course I know who you are, that's why I did it... :-) -αmεσ (spy) 00:21, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Cincinnati, Ohio. HeartGoldDeny you're a communist 00:34, 13 December 2007 (EST)

? Oh, I thought that user was Bohdan. Oops.-αmεσ (spy) 00:37, 13 December 2007 (EST)

I am insulted. Neither one of those users was me. Bohdan 00:38, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Or me. humanUser talk:Human 00:38, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Human, I should really block you for taking away HG's sysop powers. Bohdan 00:39, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Yes, you really should. Who do you think gave them to him in the first place? humanUser talk:Human 00:42, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Don't mind human, he's on the rag. HeartGoldDeny you're a communist 00:42, 13 December 2007 (EST)
I blocked Ames to get him to take away the powers he gave me. Bohdan 00:48, 13 December 2007 (EST)
I forgot I'd sysopped you for lulz. Dammit.-αmεσ (spy) 00:50, 13 December 2007 (EST)
See what happens when you forget things? Its like I am the only one thinkning here. Bohdan 00:51, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Hell, at least I kept track of my grotesque error and undid it! Sheesh. On the rag? Hog, that's so seventies. How's your brown worm? humanUser talk:Human 00:54, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Is this a joke?[edit]

How could you vote against HG? You were the one who said you would give him the powers in the first place! Bohdan 12:08, 13 December 2007 (EST)

That's the punchline!-αmεσ (spy) 12:36, 13 December 2007 (EST)
I get it. That's actually not too bad. :) Bohdan 16:55, 13 December 2007 (EST)


pleaz I WANNA BE UNBLOKCEDED 13:06, 13 December 2007 (EST)


I have tagged you for puppetry. You are not allowed to edit or remove the tag until the situation is cleared up. Thank you. Bohdan 19:43, 13 December 2007 (EST)

?-αmεσ (spy) 19:45, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Go to your other talk page, Tmt. Bohdan 19:46, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Not you, too, Ames!!! Which one is all of us, anyway? humanUser talk:Human 19:47, 13 December 2007 (EST)

You are now restricted[edit]

Due to the ongoing sockpupet investigation, you have been placed under editing restriction. You may not edit outside of your user space. Thank you. Bohdan 21:10, 13 December 2007 (EST)

You are in violation of your parole [12]. Your account will be blocked. Bohdan 22:00, 13 December 2007 (EST)
You should really block tmtoulouse. Make it infinite. And take away his powers. Thanks, Bohdan 22:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Where in the world of fuck are you getting these ideas? --Cheers,Ryanǂ wuz here ǂ 01:41, 14 December 2007 (EST)
He makes them up. He is our pet vandal, check the histories, etc. humanUser talk:Human 02:12, 14 December 2007 (EST)
Typical slander. I do hold the record on this wiki for the most blocks though. Bohdan 11:40, 14 December 2007 (EST)
In my opinion, at this time I believe there has not been slander posted on this user talk page. (too many unneeded words!) --Cheers,Ryanǂ wuz here ǂ 15:17, 14 December 2007 (EST)

quote template[edit]

Mind if I tidy up that quote template (which I suspect you haven't tried)? :-) Susanpurrrrr ... 02:33, 16 December 2007 (EST) {go to bed - it's late}

Ahhh. It's already there:Template:Q & has been for some time. Susanpurrrrr ... 02:52, 16 December 2007 (EST)

I don't look like Phyliss Schlafly[edit]

That wasn't very nice about what you said about me. I do not look like Phyllis Schlafly. Trolls have feelings too you know :P - The Halifax Troll

Whereabouts in Halifax are you, anyhow? I spent a long time down that way, it's nice to see something familiar. --Kels 18:14, 16 December 2007 (EST)
I'm actually not in Halifax, the CP ppl just think I am ;)
Shame, that. It's a great place. You even in Canada at all? --Kels 18:20, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Dear troll, I just meant to imply that Phyllis looks like a dude. Not that you look like her aside from superficial male characteristics, I promise!-αmεσ (spy) 18:16, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Its ok, I'm not thin-skinned like conservatives. I actually don't have a very prominent adam's apple though. hahaha, so how did you know that I, the halifax troll am a guy
Sexist assumptions of mine :-/ plus I think we've conversed before?-αmεσ (spy) 18:18, 16 December 2007 (EST)
;) No Ames, I don't believe we have --HalifaxTroll 18:28, 16 December 2007 (EST)
Ames, is Bohdan a sysop? --HalifaxTroll 18:41, 16 December 2007 (EST)
Bohdan thinks I'm Icewedge. Is he for real? --HalifaxTroll 18:46, 16 December 2007 (EST)


That last block crossed the line. I am going to recommend your de-sysopping. Bohdan 18:38, 16 December 2007 (EST)

314 seconds!??!? Hmmm. Maybe a bit long. Srry :-( -αmεσ (spy) 18:40, 16 December 2007 (EST)
Nah, I'm just kidding. Hey, on an unrelated note, how about giving me oversight powers for a few minutes? Bohdan 18:41, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Bohdan is not a sysop, in response to an earlier question. He's just saberrattling :-) but I think I'll not give you oversight just yet...-αmεσ (spy) 18:42, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Come on, I'll block and de-sysop Human, not you. Bohdan 18:43, 16 December 2007 (EST)


I blocked you and it said "AmesG has been banhammered". I don't think it worked though. Are you blocked? user:Bohdan N544023135 90578 6551.jpg 16:41, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Uh oh. No response. Did I just block you? Now I feel terrible. user:Bohdan N544023135 90578 6551.jpg 16:42, 19 December 2007 (EST)

You did, but I desysoped you, so we're even :-(-αmεσ (spy) 16:43, 19 December 2007 (EST)

How can I desysop someone the next time some fool gives me oversight? Not that I would desysop you or anything, just in case some unethical user takes over the wiki and needs to be removed... user:Bohdan N544023135 90578 6551.jpg 16:45, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Good question. We shall see.-αmεσ (spy) 16:47, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Oh hai! Are you flammable?[edit]



This post by Kels, and other posts, by other Admins, sanctioned as they are by the Cabal and the Admins here, is the reason, Ames. [13] If it wasn't sanctioned, righteous Admins like you and Jeeves, would have already dished out two week or six month blocks for doing so, and then reverted them to time-served like you did with me. It is quite simply an allowed continuation of recrimination and retribution, a official, unofficial policy of of marginalization. It is merely a device to make sure no actual or perceived transgression is ever forgotten, therefore making sure that user is forever in a "second class". --TK/MyTalk 18:21, 22 December 2007 (EST)

be proud[edit]

Always Watching...

I just found out someone made a blunder and I am currently a sysop. Be happy, aside from blocking worthless vandal tmtoulouse I have done nothing else. No one is making any edits, and I could have caused some serious, and time consuming to revert, disruption. But I didn't. Be proud ames, be proud. And take away the sysopship please. user talk:Bohdan 02:43, 2 January 2008 (EST)

I fixed the trauma for you Bohdan. humanUser talk:Human 04:14, 2 January 2008 (EST)


! SusanPurrrrrrr 19:26, 15 January 2008 (EST)

some advice[edit]

Hey Ames, since you seem to be the user most involved with this TK block fiasco, I am going to say this to you. After reading over the TK block page and thinking about it, I have concluded that this entire incident is pathetic. Seriously. I don't see why you had to ban him at all. If he is such the instigator that you and the others claim he is, why not just ignore him? As far as I can tell, he hasn't ever created or vandalized an article. If he "starts trouble" (which it seems you and a few others did just as often as him) why not just ignore him? Or is Schlafly correct, liberals always have to have the last word? To quote susang, "be an infant if you must". Also, now that you are attempting to decide how to manage this wiki, a mob which I am part of, remember what all this offline policy stuff has gotten you. And unblock TK, the block was unjust. Best regards, user talk:Bohdan 18:43, 16 January 2008 (EST)

I admit that I completely fracked up the procedure. The methods I used were poorly planned and a joke of the rule of law, and they've have made me and the entire sysop group look like morons, and I take all the blame for that myself. Please, heap your aspersions one me. However, I will not apologize for the end pursued and achieved: TK is gone, never to return (he says), and in any event, we're free of him for a couple months. If I did a difficult, unpopular thing that'll turn up good, I don't apologize for the end pursued... much like Bush & the Iraq War (but hopefully with better results)... although I admit the pursuit could have been done much better.
Now, two final notes - first, my suggestions for rules were just that; suggestions. Second, what has all this offline policy stuff gotten me?-αmεσ (spy) 19:05, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Vandalism is something that is easily taken care of. It is a minor annoyance but not harmful to the community as a whole. What TK has been doing has been harmful to the community - starting flame wars, starting arguments, making the place hostile for ip users, and making it uncomfortable for a person to contribute. Vandalism does not do those things. It is the community that said this type of behavior is unacceptable. It is also the nature of the wiki software that the community has to act. There is no way for an individual to shun a member of a wiki as can be done on usenet (kill files) or in email (filters).
As to the correctness of people go look at Conservapedia again and see how many times it is that conservatives have to have the last word. But this isn't a liberal/conservative issue (we are not all liberals here). People always want to have the last word. And yet, the last word isn't the issue either. Some behaviors are not acceptable in some communities. If you feel otherwise, try going into a church and start swearing and see if that community behaves any differently. You will be asked to leave and if you don't, they will call the police and have you forcefully removed.
TKs block is simply a matter of saying "the atmosphere that surrounds you is not acceptable in this community."
--Shagie 19:18, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Well said, Shagie. humanUser talk:Human 19:46, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Well said except that there is no admission that the flame wars, arguments, making the place hostile for ip users, and making it uncomfortable for a person to contribute did not always start with TK. Frankly it was Human and AmesG and others that instigated EASILY as much as TK instigated. 19:57, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Sweet. Let's host a kangaroo court on whether Human or AmesG should still be allowed to edit here? PS, Hi TK! humanUser talk:Human 20:09, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Yeah, I MUST be TK. If that helps you ignore the truth then whatever makes you happy. 21:27, 16 January 2008 (EST)
I find both guilty of Sexiness in the 3d Degree.-αmεσ (spy) 20:15, 16 January 2008 (EST)
  • Secret offline policy (or perhaps discussion would have been a better word) seems to be the stupidest part of this. This whole incident seems to be about something that happened in secret. How can the mob make a decision without seeing the evidence? TK had a clean slate when he came here. Yet many of you had something against him based on ongoing offwiki business. That should have stayed offwiki, but it didn't, it led to his block and undermined the mobocracy. And the IP above is actually somewhat correct, TK was often not the one guilty, yet he was always the one blocked. Locke 20:18, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Isn't that Bohdan? Honestly, I'm tired of defending myself today. Could someone else, please? Then I can devote my time to repairing my credibility, maybe.-αmεσ (spy) 20:27, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Whats with all of the indents? This is Bohdan. Sorry, but my account was blocked. And you are a lawyer, you can't get tired of defending yourself. I still want to know what all this off-wiki stuff was. You realize that no one really reads this wiki, or even conservapedia for that matter? I strongly doubt anyone will care about what was said in the secret forums. Locke 20:30, 16 January 2008 (EST)
The short answer is, TK volunteered to help us get back at Conservapedia just after we started RationalWiki. We accepted. He quickly grew annoying, threatening, insultive, manipulative, poisonous to all he spoke with, and creepy. He blackmailed us into silence, with the threat that he would populate if we didn't keep his treachery secret, and later blackmailed us with other things. We eventually stopped complying, blew his NightTrain/E Wig cover (the height of his threatening & blackmail), he was banned from Conservapedia. He came back here, became even more of a douche, started turning people against each other by being a douche still in secret, but sweet on the surface, with no decrease in his creepy/evil behavior - threatening me, the Wiki, being creepy, and blackmailing us up until his last night unblocked, so we blocked him.-αmεσ (spy) 20:43, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Hell I'm in the secret forum (singular, by the way), and I don't care what's in it. --Kels 20:44, 16 January 2008 (EST)

The difference is that Ames and Human are part of what makes RW what it is. Read - seriously read it. There will be a test on it next week. I know that I was made to feel uncomfortable at times - I am sure others also feel this way (I hope they now feel free to speak up). Look at the community as a whole without regard for who started it where (I am well aware that there is a significant amount of offwiki communication that happens) and see where the negativity surrounds. Admission or not TK was not helping the community grow nor become a better place and wasn't even neutral in its growth but actively worked to make it a place that was uncomfortable for as many people as possible. Telling the person to go away apparently has had little effect. Past "I'll be good" promises didn't either. Various forms of of trying to get TK to change didn't either. I honestly believe the behavior was not punished soon enough and allowed TK to think that this was acceptable and made it so that community dividing personal attacks were not frowned upon as strongly. I hope that TK's removal will spur people into determining what is acceptable and is not acceptable and foster discussion of the structure for how to deal with such disruptive people in the future.

What this was not was secret. TK's attitude was never secret. The decision to block him was not. I doubt TK ever had a clean slate and if he did he tarnished it very quickly - yes, reputation carries over from one place to the next. One identity can never be distinct from the others they are linked to. His attacks against most anyone who interacted with him on here were not secret. He was a person the community did not want to be part of itself. The mob made its decision about the type of person that TK presented himself as and about how much TK hurt the community.

And the wiki matters to the people who are here. That is all that is necessary. It is the hope for me that some parent who is considering enrolling their child in one of Andy's classes will search and find this place and see what beliefs their student will be exposed to and be able to make a more informed choice as to if this is right or not. One child less child that is exposed to Conservapedia being seen as absolute truth is all that matters to me. --Shagie 20:45, 16 January 2008 (EST)

  • Some people take their wikis too seriously. Locke 20:46, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Some people take their assholes too seriously.-αmεσ (spy) 20:47, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Comments like that were part of the problem. Locke 20:48, 16 January 2008 (EST)

There's nothing here beyond just desserts and some hard-earned catharsis. Sleep easy, Ames ;) --Robledo 20:49, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Rob, you have no idea how much that helps.-αmεσ (spy)
Nee bother, fella :) --Robledo 20:52, 16 January 2008 (EST)

It is possible that we are taking this too seriously, though there are other wikis that the criticism is even more appropriate for. --Shagie 20:50, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Hey, I wasn't singling you out. I think all wikis (including WP) are taken too seriously. Ames, when you say blackmail, what does this mean? That he would expose your socks on conservapedia? Like I said earlier, no one really cares. Locke 20:52, 16 January 2008 (EST)

He told me that he'd call my law firm: until I realized what bullshit that was, I was scared. Among other things. Plus, with TK fabricating e-mails from KevinKConley (did anyone else get an e-mail from him?) about how he ruined people's lives with identity theft, etc., well... that's not the right atmosphere is it?-αmεσ (spy) 20:53, 16 January 2008 (EST)

I had quite a scare during the initial FBI really sucked. 21:00, 16 January 2008 (EST)
TK is the end of the culture of fear, and impoliteness. He's also the end of our... sordid past with Conservapedia. And he's the end of backroom dealings. All that in addition to being the end of a manipulative, threatening, blackmailing troll. Why aren't we celebrating?-αmεσ (spy) 21:02, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Shagie speaks well... and to second Robledo, who also stops and thinks before he speaks, Ames, you may be guilty of bad timing, but not of bad character. Please, let this not torment your dreams! humanUser talk:Human 21:04, 16 January 2008 (EST)
I confess my guilt of poor timing and thank you too :-).-αmεσ (spy) 21:05, 16 January 2008 (EST)
  • If he comes back after the block, will you treat him fairly? user talk:Bohdan 21:07, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Let's pray it doesn't come to that.-αmεσ (spy) 21:08, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Per wikipedia: assume good faith. user talk:Bohdan 21:09, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Good faith is a presumption, but it's a rebuttable one. I long ago had my assumptions of him disproven. But I'll try if he comes back.-αmεσ (spy) 21:15, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Thats good to hear. Will you let him come back to discuss this block? Limit him to just a single page, even if only a single statement in his defense. This is all I can say on the matter. Please reconsider this block. user talk:Bohdan 21:18, 16 January 2008 (EST)

No.-αmεσ (spy) 21:20, 16 January 2008 (EST)

You didn't even take the time to indent :( user talk:Bohdan 21:24, 16 January 2008 (EST)
At this point, discussion is futile. It probably was 4 months ago.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 21:25, 16 January 2008 (EST)
At least you indented. user talk:Bohdan 21:27, 16 January 2008 (EST)
If he is truly not coming back, as he said, the issue really is a moot point. Pinto's5150 Talk 21:29, 16 January 2008 (EST)


Let me get something off my chest, without directly pointing fingers, since I cannot prove precisely who the main player was. I edited over at CP quite substantively. I argued with idiots. It seemed fun and important, and maybe it was. Then I get an email at my office, and a phone call, that the FBI is notified about me, that my work/hospital,etc are being contacted, yada yada yada. Of course it was all bs, but that kind of threat sucks the energy out of you. I can't abide fascists, or those who get sucked into following their orders.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 21:12, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Honestly, that's harassment, plain and simple. I'd guarantee it was Conservapedia... obviously... although it probably was Karajou. Why don't we check the SDG?-αmεσ (spy) 21:22, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Pal - are effin' SERIOUS?!?!?! Of course, I don't think the EFFBEEAYE is in the habit of e-mailing the targets of investigations to give them a heads up - but, man, that well and truly sucks. And pardon my ignorance, but what's an "SDG?" PFoster 21:25, 16 January 2008 (EST)
PFoster, see Conservapedia:Special Discussion Group... it's where the CP sysops threw mud at themselves and the rest of the world. TK opened it for all the world to see for a bit.-αmεσ (spy) 21:26, 16 January 2008 (EST)
As I recall, the communications came from Koo Koo and TK. When I emailed Andy to call off the dogs, he disavowed any knowledge or approval.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 21:27, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Karajou initiated most of the bullshit in that regards, he e-mailed the president of my university and wiki stalked me around for a while telling me the Royal Canadian Mounted Police would be dragging me off any day and he would be there to spit on me when they did. TK did contact me at my lab and threatened all kinds of stuff, but it was, I think, more bark then bite. But still i am not going to get that "off wiki" and then pretend to get along with him "on wiki". tmtoulouse heckle 21:28, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Wow Pal, that really, really, really, sucks. Pinto's5150 Talk 21:29, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Honestly, that's actual illegal harassment.-αmεσ (spy) 21:31, 16 January 2008 (EST)
That's what I told Andy. Anyway, after I realized it was BS, i started doing some fun writing.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 21:32, 16 January 2008 (EST)
I e-mailed Andy and told him to call them off and said otherwise the next call was to my lawyer. I saw months later in SDG that there was a big debate about whether I was serious and whether they would be in trouble. It was nice to see that. Morons. tmtoulouse heckle 21:33, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Just so you know, very few statutes of limitations are under a year. So if you decide to jump on it?-αmεσ (spy) 21:37, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Maybe some day we can post the SDG with (or without) personal info expurgated. I'm starting to get pissed off again.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 22:28, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Holy Crap. I know few details about off-site activity, and I was away from ze internetz when the SDG was apparently open for viewing, so I honestly had no idea things went quite that far. I'm amazed you guys stuck around as long as you did. Personally if the phone-your-boss-for-wikiediting-type stuff had happened to me I'd probably have decided that participating in what amounts to an online discussion group/fundie soapbox isn't worth having weird dudes trying to track me down in real life. Kudos to all of you sirs (and madams, if applicable), and I'm glad, for my own educational and entertainment purposes, that you are still around. Hope that kind of BS (even if it really is just pure BS) doesn't happen again.--Bayesupdate 19:40, 17 January 2008 (EST)


Hey ames - there's something weird in the wikicode on Elassint/Sockasint's talk page - why does the welcome template take up 400+ characters? PFoster

Apparently it's my sig. It dropped all my options instead of just the template! I'll fix it.-αmεσ (spy) 21:18, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Ames you rock[edit]

Any problems that emerged were procedural and are being discussed elsewhere. Ames took the initiative to deal with an endemic problem that was poisoning the site for many of us. Cheers to you! You can not separate "off wiki" and "on wiki" in some circumstances. When a user like TK is contacting people in your real life and threatening to "fuck you over"...this is "off wiki" but why would I not respond "on wiki" to bull shit like this. I wanted TK gone since I first 404 blocked him 2 months into our site. He was not a positive addition to the community and made the place far less enjoyable to many of the people that really care about the site. More than once when I was preparing to get back involved after my break I would pull up recent changes and see a bunch of "TK bullshit" and decide fuck it I am doing something else. And many others did the same thing. The only reason this is create such friction is because we as a site have been very very tolerant of trolls so when "enough is enough" finally happens it looks like a bigger deal. If we had not gone out of our way to allow problem users many chances then TK could have been dumped along time ago. Bah, good riddance I say and Ames does not deserve to bare the brunt of all this. His only crime was taking the initiative that many of us failed to do. Any issues that arose were, as I said, procedural issues that goto the heart of RW as a community and therefore are not Ames' responsibility. They are for all of us who care to site down and talk about and work out as best we can. tmtoulouse heckle 21:20, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Yay :-) I'll trade TK for TMT anyday.-αmεσ (spy) 21:23, 16 January 2008 (EST)

My biggest criticism really was that it was a needlessly complicated method of simply blocking an obvious troll. We bent so far over backwards that we began to resemble a corkscrew, and even in the end the blocking was watered down a lot. I'm of the belief that TK benefitted by not completely having a clean slate and actively took advantage of it, and I'm glad we're finally able to put that bit of fiction to rest. --Kels 21:48, 16 January 2008 (EST)


I meant to write "Doesn't appreciate art" but some fool put the apostrophe key next to the enter key. --Kels 19:15, 17 January 2008 (EST)

I had wondered what you meant when I saw that. I just chalked it up to you being you :) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 19:42, 17 January 2008 (EST)
Kels, I rather liked: "Fix spelling" with a 950 count! Hee ha. SusanPurrrrrrr 19:50, 17 January 2008 (EST)
Fixed it good, I did! --Kels 19:55, 17 January 2008 (EST)

Article on front page[edit]

Check out User:Human/sandbox5 for a test example.

And I think discussion/promotion etc. of article should stay at the best of RW pages. Once we're done hashing things out at cover story. humanUser talk:Human 10:25, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Human I love the sandbox! That looks fantastic! I would still suggest a different order; Featured Article, About RationalWiki, then Featured Content, but if you'd rather not I understand-αmεσ (spy) 11:45, 18 January 2008 (EST)
Thanks! I know, it's weird adding something and having it lie "off screen". How about About RW/FA/FC? That seems logical to me. And the FC header could change to "More Featured Articles" or "Other Featured Content" or something. And, oops, we should try to get this discussion all into one place again! I just wanted to alert you to the sandbox. humanUser talk:Human 12:13, 18 January 2008 (EST)

When you're around again, we are "voting" at RationalWiki talk:Random_coverstory on using the sandbox version and template (template:cover) we set up. humanUser talk:Human 12:33, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Creepy stalking[edit]

There's creepy stalking, and there's plain ol' curious. I'm curious... This you? 19:10, 18 January 2008 (EST)

No comment, especially as to how funny lookin I may or may not have been, back in the day :-D.-αmεσ (spy) 19:39, 18 January 2008 (EST)
We all looked goofy when we were just kids of that age, Ames! I'm kinda sorry I posted it now cos I was just wanting to poke your ribs and chuckle, not make you feel bad n'all 19:43, 18 January 2008 (EST)
Oh no, hardly! I lol'd! See the smiley face (:-D)? My girlfriend pulls up that picture when she wants to tease me! :-)-αmεσ (spy)
...They had the internet back then? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 03:40, 20 January 2008 (EST)
Well, it's only been five years... --Kels 06:37, 20 January 2008 (EST)


I take it this is your sock right? user talk:Bohdan 22:36, 18 January 2008 (EST)

I haven't had a sock on CP since 19-dickety-2! Honest Injun. Well, deceitful Injun. But I do like the cut of schultz's jib. Do a checkuser of him, if it comes up New York then it MUST BE ME, since no one else lives here, right?</snark>-αmεσ (spy) 22:52, 18 January 2008 (EST)
I have no checkuser capabilities, and I am confused as to why you still use canadian drug slang. And now racism This is disturbing. user talk:Bohdan 22:54, 18 January 2008 (EST)
Yah, and if it comes up Oregon, it has to be me, because everyone here is just a sock of me. :-) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 03:51, 20 January 2008 (EST)


My cat pwns. Or, rather, did pwn. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 03:33, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Hey Ames, I want your cat. But mine are still cuter, sorry to say. --Linus(plot evil tech) 20:56, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Isn't she adorable!!!! Her name's Richard Parker :-). yes, we're aware of the confusion, but we picked the name ere we picked the cat...-αmεσ (spy) 01:45, 20 January 2008 (EST)
My cat acidifys all of yours'! --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 03:33, 20 January 2008 (EST)
My cat acidifys more than a lighting acidifys! --Lolryan 06:52, 20 January 2008 (EST)


--Lolryan 06:52, 20 January 2008 (EST)

I've got a cat (speyed vicious tortoishell/white female called Domino).
We've got a cat (intact male called "the stray ginger cat who appeared & started stealing Domino's food).
Domino dislikes Tsgcwaassdf intensly.
Tsgcwaassdf likes food.
Domino sleeps on our bed.
Tsgcwaassdf sleeps anywhere. SusanPurrrrrrr 09:41, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Between my roommate and I, we have four cats, one of which is owned by roomie, the other three have shifting allegiances and have been left by past relationships. One female gray tab who lives almost solely on roomie's desk and hates all the others. One strange shy-but-bold female tortiseshell who's got a thing for junk food, one female black & white "magpie" kitty who's a suck for attention with a type-A personality and gets commonly mistaken for male, even by the vet, and one huge gray male fluffball who grew up thinking he was a ferret. Oh, and an indeterminate number of ferrets (right now it's 8). --Kels 10:04, 20 January 2008 (EST)
My cat evidences an appreciation for Newton's Cradles.

My cat likes physics. So there. --Linus(plot evil tech) 20:09, 20 January 2008 (EST)

My cat does not like to be disturbed while reading his scientific texts. DogP 23:27, 20 January 2008 (EST) Tintin.jpg

Oh yah? Well, this lolcat can actually read the effing textbook.


Not a kitteh, a dog. --Cheers, RyanIcons-flag-au.pngǂ wuz here ǂ 00:05, 21 January 2008 (EST)


Is this where teh cat party is? Is there food? PFoster 21:10, 24 January 2008 (EST)


Some day I'll find a good picture of our adorable kitteh to put here; black cats tend to act like singularities...-αmεσ (spy) 21:40, 24 January 2008 (EST)

I gave you a well-deserved block, but you weren't here for it[edit]

Want me to block you again? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:02, 20 January 2008 (EST)


Is this what you wanted for According to...? Sterilexx 11:15, 23 January 2008 (EST)

OMG yes! Shall you post it or shall I?-αmεσ (spy) 11:17, 23 January 2008 (EST)
Go 'head... Sterilexx 13:47, 23 January 2008 (EST)

look at this[edit]

Someone has been talking trash about my favorite lawyer. Locke 20:43, 3 February 2008 (EST)

We all know that lawyers are scum sucking trolls. Unless they work for the PD! Or sue giant companies on behalf of regular people, who get incomprehesible $50 payouts, while the lawyers get 1/3. I still love ya, AmesG, and lawyers only suck when they ain't your lawyer! humanUser talk:Human 21:18, 3 February 2008 (EST)
I'm confused by the backwards letters... are both Human and Namuh the same person? Are they both talking trash about me, or is it only one of them? As for the incomprehensible $50 payouts from class actions, I can explain - most class actions are driven by scumbags and only litigate to up the class settlement, not the individual payouts. Of course, there are a few good ones, one of them being my former civil procedure professor. But still, the device of the "class" works against individual payouts in the high-dollar range; since classes tend to be opt-out, almost everyone and their sister is a party to the class, so estimation of the individual's loss is always a shot in the dark (albeit a mathematically guided one), meaning that some individual class members get absurdly high settlements, but most get absurdly low. And the class counsel always gets the most. Unless he's a prince of a guy, like my civpro professor. I think the class, overall, succeeds mostly at getting a big money judgment against the tortfeasor and therefore defraying and preventing future abuses, while it's overall not as good at getting make-whole damages for the plaintiffs. However, let's not discount the huge value of the class in preventing future abuses by ratcheting up huge combined damages against the company.-αmεσ (spy) 22:49, 3 February 2008 (EST)
Silly. I'm my own sock. :-) -- eewnamuħ   22:56, 3 February 2008 (EST)
I forget who runs NamuH, but it's not me. I have been the "beneficiary" of two class actions - one over UPS insurance (entitled me to get a $50 coupon to pay my bill, but since I have it auto-debited, they couldn't tell me how to do it!) and one over Epson's predatory printer cartridge practice, where if any cartridge is low, you can't print at all (even in B&W, with a color cart empty). That one, I believe was some lame discount on buying more of their stuff - a very typical settlement, from what I have heard, in these "consumer" type class actions - only the lawyers get any actual money. humanUser talk:Human 15:55, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Those are the wimpiest class actions I've ever heard! I haven't benefited from any, but my girlfriend's dad got $1500 from the Holocaust Swiss Bank litigation. And yes, the lawyers get the most, but again, I think their real utility is as an accountability check on the company (which loses ass-tons) rather than as make-whole relief. Also, keep in mind that, suing on your own, you'd never even get that... since single plaintiffs are picked off like Dick Cheney's friends in a duck hunt by corporate litigators.-αmεσ (spy) 16:15, 4 February 2008 (EST)
See, AmesG? All lawyers really do work for Jews. -- eewnamuħ   17:09, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Over here in Eurocommie-Land, we have a whole bunch of government insitutions to keep watch over the evöl corporations and kick them where it hurts if they try to mess with the consumers. You should really try that, you know. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 07:20, 6 February 2008 (EST)
I'd be totally fine with that, Akj :-). Honestly, most class action lawyers think of themselves as doing that exact thing; my professor referred to himself as a "legal privateer," doing the government's work of regulation for it, in return for a "letter of marque," namely, the legal authority to sue as a class (conferred by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure). Good times.-αmεσ (spy) 10:14, 6 February 2008 (EST)
I'm hurt, Human, I really am. -- eewnamuħ   17:07, 4 February 2008 (EST)


When are are you going to let us non-RW 1.0 people see what was on RW 1.0? I want to know if I was mocked. Oscar 15:06, 7 February 2008 (EST)

The server was wiped. I think only TK kept the seekrits. 15:11, 7 February 2008 (EST)
Why does everyone log out when I ask a question? But anyway, was I mocked? Oscar 15:15, 7 February 2008 (EST)
Oh, I see. You are not Ames, just his sockpuppet. Oscar 15:15, 7 February 2008 (EST)
That wasn't me! Anyways, yeah it was wiped. Doesn't Karajou think he has a copy? I'm sure he's turned it over to the "FBI" at some point. Ask him. But in short, you weren't mocked, and it's not as exciting as everyone seems to think it was. The SDG, now... that was exciting.-αmεσ (spy) 15:21, 7 February 2008 (EST)
Show me. Oscar 15:28, 7 February 2008 (EST)
"I remember having a lot of fun creating mocking articles at RW 1.0.--PalMD". Sounds exciting. Oscar 15:30, 7 February 2008 (EST)

I saved my talk page from RW 1.0 - it's here. And, if you weren't mocked by name, surely you were in spirit! humanUser talk:Human 15:35, 7 February 2008 (EST)

I am not sure uhh Oscar was an active member of CP at the time RW 1.0 was made. We do have a database copy of it backed-up just in case we ever have to you know defend ourselves against the evil Empire. 15:40, 7 February 2008 (EST)
Sure I was. Go to Human's talk page, and I am mentioned by name by Icewedge: "God dam Bohdan.-Icewedge 22:17, 15 May 2007 (CDT)". Now I see you are tmtoulouse. It figures your too stupid to remember. Oscar 15:44, 7 February 2008 (EST)

I'm sure the FBI has a copy. Sterilexx 15:47, 7 February 2008 (EST)

And never forget: "I did engage in a little spat with Bohdan last night, that TK intruded on briefly, but we kissed and made up before drinking heavily and having messy buttsex. human 12:53, 13 May 2007 (CDT)" humanUser talk:Human 15:47, 7 February 2008 (EST)
Please, lets concentrate on Tmtoulouse' lunacy, not yours. Oscar 15:49, 7 February 2008 (EST)
Most of my mockery was not personally directed at anyone, although some probably was. I wrote a web of (IMHO) humorous articles about wacko religious ideas, etc. Then when we went live for 2.0, I switched to productive articles. Now I I just pleasure myself incessantly do nothing.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 17:01, 7 February 2008 (EST)
But Human's lunacy is so much more entertaining. :-( --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:30, 7 February 2008 (EST)


Ames, as a lawyer and someone who seems to support freedom and human rights, I thought I would ask you a question. Do you think a creationist should be excluded from holding public office? Oscar 18:16, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Bohdan, let's be clear here - I'm not suggesting a Creationist can't hold public office. I'm saying they shouldn't be able to hold public positions where their beliefs conflict with their duties. A Creationist, I'm quite sure, could run a public Roads Division, or DMV, or Air Traffic Control or whatnot quite satisfactorily. (Actually, I'm not even sure about that now that I've written it). But yes, that's not a problem. DogP 18:20, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Please, its Oscar. Excluding someone from holding public office based on a private belief such as this one is a pretty serious claim, is it not? And as president, how exactly would it conflict with there duties? Oscar 18:23, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Bohdan, let's discuss this where we were discussing it, on the Huckabee Talk page. Let's let Ames get back to you with his answer and not clutter up this thread. DogP 18:26, 7 February 2008 (EST)

O-S-C-A-R. Gee, stop being such a name-conservative. Oscar 18:27, 7 February 2008 (EST)
I'm kinda with DP on this one, Yuri...User:PalMD
There is no Yuri!!! Oh, wait, yes there is... humanUser talk:Human 18:46, 7 February 2008 (EST)

So Bohdan/Oscar, I think it's without debate that the United States can't ban someone from public office by the mere fact of their religion... or disqualify them from the same. Also, I think it's similarly beyond debate that the fact of someone's lack of religion doesn't disqualify them either... however, that someone running for office is a creationist says a lot about them. It proves a deficit of logic, the tendency to let emotion and blind faith trump reason, and, frankly, it proves that the candidate is gullible and irrationally committed to incorrect positions. So... I don't think a creationist is qualified for office, but it's my vote, and not the law, that determines that. Is this debate going somewhere else?-αmεσ (spy) 23:44, 7 February 2008 (EST)

kinda sorta, in a typical goatlike way: Debate:Religious beliefs and public office humanUser talk:Human 00:32, 8 February 2008 (EST)


It was supposed to be "DoggedamesG. But this is good too. DoggedamesP 20:17, 8 February 2008 (EST)

Talk to the dead much, Ames?[edit]

I found an article on Wikipedia that strikes me as surreal: Judicial shamanism. I know it's a legitimate subject, but still... the images of lawyers communing with the dead and making sacrifices to the spirits won't leave my head. Can I have you reassurance that you won't be burning incense or consuming small children in the courtroom? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 03:17, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Looking Good for Jesus[edit]

I was following up the Looking Good for Jesus cosmetics item on the BBC and visited the website of the manufacturers, BlueQ . I thought you might be distressed by this:

Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 05:32, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I always think of teh (ded) kittehs! humanUser talk:Human 15:47, 13 February 2008 (EST)

you bastid[edit]

No new WIGOs!!!! feel free to troll and save, but do not add to WIGO until next Freya Day! Beotch. humanUser talk:Human 22:55, 15 February 2008 (EST)

cover story[edit]

Hey Ames, the "procedure", if you don't mind, is to:

1. Put {{cover}} at teh top of the article you are nominating 2. Start a new talk section called "cover story" and put Please do not archive this section at the top of it. 3. State why you are nominating the article.

Then prod people to go discuss the nominees that are automatically in category:cover story nominees. Thanks! humanUser talk:Human 12:09, 16 February 2008 (EST)

oh please...[edit]

I do not need petty "user rights". My powers are REAL, not useless. DoggedamesP 00:47, 21 February 2008 (EST)

You don't need any "rights", Mr. Petty. humanUser talk:Human 00:53, 21 February 2008 (EST)


Are you bored or something? Bohdan2 00:10, 22 February 2008 (EST)

I'm reading about adverse possession. What do you think? Is this actually Bohdan? I forget.-αmεσ (spy) 00:12, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Would you like to debate about something? Bohdan2 00:13, 22 February 2008 (EST)

We could debate about whether we should debate about something. I say NO!0αmεσ (spy) 00:16, 22 February 2008 (EST)
Would you please explain your position. Bohdan2 00:17, 22 February 2008 (EST)
See, there's this passage in II Peter that says we shouldn't.-αmεσ (spy) 00:17, 22 February 2008 (EST)
Nice try. But you happen to be an atheist. Bohdan2 00:20, 22 February 2008 (EST)
We could 'definitely' debate about whether or nor not we should debate about something. Or not. humanUser talk:Human 00:20, 22 February 2008 (EST)
Ah, now we have a debate! I'm actually an agnostic spiritualist. Humanist? But not an atheist! Touche!!!!!! We could also debate about how awesome Bohdan is. I content that he is "very."-αmεσ (spy) 00:22, 22 February 2008 (EST)
Human was not invited to the debate. You are so to an atheist. Bohdan2 00:23, 22 February 2008 (EST)
I think Human's invitation is debatable. And since this is ancillary to my castle, I say he's invited.-αmεσ (spy) 00:24, 22 February 2008 (EST)
But I instigated the debate. I should have the right to choose. Aren't you pro-choice? Bohdan2 00:25, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Only when the choice involves killing babies. God I hate them. Almost as much as I hate cats.-αmεσ (spy) 00:25, 22 February 2008 (EST)

We are all well aware of the terrible things you do to cats. How you live with yourself, I'll never understand... Bohdan2 00:27, 22 February 2008 (EST)

On a matter unrelated to the debate, lets try to fill up the recent changes page with just your talk page. Then get a screen shot. Bohdan2 00:28, 22 February 2008 (EST)

I'm committed to this goal. Also, on a related note, I was petting my cat, and it's so dry here that I accidentally static-shocked her, just by touching her fur! I felt awful and then burst into raucous evil laughter. Then I pet her on the head for a while.-αmεσ (spy) 00:30, 22 February 2008 (EST)
[edit conflict]So, would you be angry if I decided to improve my user page just as you reach edit 49? - Icewedge 00:32, 22 February 2008 (EST)
Are you saying you electrocuted your cat? Bohdan2 00:31, 22 February 2008 (EST)
I did kind of electrocute her. Sorry. It was just static electricity, but technically, yes. And Icewedge, I'd block you in fear but that would ruin our plans.-αmεσ (spy) 00:33, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Oh, a debate? Sounds fun. Pinto's5150 Talk 00:34, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Shows over everyone. Human wrecked the attempt. Bohdan3 00:35, 22 February 2008 (EST)

We could photoshop over it? That wasn't very nice Human...-αmεσ (spy) 00:36, 22 February 2008 (EST)
can you also photoshop in a picture of Al Gore? Bohdan3 00:37, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Back to the topic at hand. Next time you electrocute one of you poor cats, you will leave me no choice but to report you to the Humane society. Bohdan2 00:40, 22 February 2008 (EST)

But I only electrocuted her by trying to pet her. Should the Humane Society discourage petting one's cat?!-00:42, 22 February 2008 (EST)
Perhaps. Bohdan2 00:44, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Always watching.....Stubbot 21:56, 24 February 2008 (EST)

"board member"[edit]

Congratulations! humanUser talk:Human 22:10, 26 February 2008 (EST)

OMG thanks! I'm really excited. I was scared most all of today. YAY! Thanks for the congrats!-αmεσ (spy) 22:29, 26 February 2008 (EST)
Congratulations Ames. But what exactly were you scared of? DoggedamesP 23:09, 26 February 2008 (EST)
Not being elected :-) and thanks!!! -αmεσ (spy) 23:15, 26 February 2008 (EST)
I thought you were scared that the other editors would beat you up. I am relieved. DoggedamesP 23:28, 26 February 2008 (EST)
What? "Board member"? Is this a play on words with the section above this one, or did I miss some catastrophic, democratically based event? Do we even have a board? I thought nonprofits needed money before you could do that. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:30, 26 February 2008 (EST)
It's IRL :-). And Bohdan, I'd be afraid you'd be beat me up.-αmεσ (spy) 23:39, 26 February 2008 (EST)
Oh. So we don't have money to form a board like real nonprofits do? Dang. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:49, 26 February 2008 (EST)
I don't have the remotest idea what you guys are talking about, but congratulations anyway! Was there cake involved? --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 02:03, 27 February 2008 (EST)
Mmmmm, cake. See AmesG's last edit (I think) to his luser page. humanUser talk:Human 15:12, 27 February 2008 (EST)

DoggedAmesP to TMTamesP[edit]

DogP thanks you! DogP 19:45, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Hahahah. Some day I'll just rename him as Tmtoulouse and see what happens :-) -αmεσ (spy) 19:49, 27 February 2008 (EST)
Just replace the u's with o's. Wouldn't it be cool to rename tmtoulouse & bohdan as each other? signed, DogNamOscPiss. humanUser talk:Human 19:52, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Why thank Ames? It was my idea. Bohdan2 19:52, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Careful I will just remove EVERYONES user rights and then we will see where we are. tmtoulouse heckle 19:53, 27 February 2008 (EST)

debate time[edit]

What do you say? Are you in? TmtamesP 00:49, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Tragedy strikes. I was about to go to bed & read :-( rain check?-αmεσ (spy) 00:53, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Wait. You mean you go to bed (sleep) first and then read? That makes no sense. I can only assume you are lying. You are just afraid of my wikilawyering skills. Fine. I will debate with someone else. But it won't be the same :( TmtamesP 00:55, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Oh we'll have another debate some day :-). How about read first, then go to sleep? Oh no! Now I'm in a debate! I concede defeat. See, now we'll have to have a rematch.-αmεσ (spy) 00:56, 28 February 2008 (EST)


Fun game, eh? Pinto's5150 Talk 01:01, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Heh, you still have the "resident moron". TmtamesP 01:11, 28 February 2008 (EST)
I just learned that there's a bonus mission if you beat Zerg Mission 9 (Brood War) with at least 5m to spare. Damn! 10 years and I had no idea!-αmεσ (spy) 01:03, 28 February 2008 (EST)
I really wish I could remember where my disk is. Pinto's5150 Talk 17:25, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Debate Night![edit]

Get ready Ames, its debate night tonight. How about around 11 eastern? We can start up our own user debate subpage, it will be so fun. TmtamesP 15:41, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Oh noes, hide teh kittehs!!! humanUser talk:Human 15:49, 28 February 2008 (EST)
What debate? Have you guys been keeping secrets from me? Liberal deceit, I say! --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 16:46, 28 February 2008 (EST)
I think others should participate to, so you don't slaughter me like last time.-αmεσ (spy) 16:50, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Is that a yes? At 11 eastern? TmtamesP 16:51, 28 February 2008 (EST)
On or about?-αmεσ (spy) 16:54, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Either. TmtamesP 16:58, 28 February 2008 (EST)
*Ahem* Still no one has told me what's going on... --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 16:55, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Count me in! humanUser talk:Human 16:56, 28 February 2008 (EST)
None of you are invited. TmtamesP 16:58, 28 February 2008 (EST)
We can debate right now about whether to invite them. I say that if we don't invite them, I'll push my cat off the bed by accident again. And it'll be all your fault.-αmεσ (spy) 17:00, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Lol. When the Humane Society takes you away, you can claim that all you want. TmtamesP 17:01, 28 February 2008 (EST)
11 PM eastern is 5 AM central European. Why are you trying to exclude us? Is it because we're Euro-commies? :-( --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:04, 28 February 2008 (EST)
It's 8 PM where I am. My time zone is better than yours! : ) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 17:10, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Bah, deceit. Central European is obviously the superior time zone. After all, 98.53297% of all Christian Germans were born in it, plus you almost certainly reject classroom prayer. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:14, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Because you're mean. TmtamesP 17:05, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Bohdan where do you live? Aren't you Ukrainian or something? Wo't that be like 3 am or something?-αmεσ (spy) 17:06, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Stunning. I could be in Canada. TmtamesP 17:07, 28 February 2008 (EST)
We're not mean, we're just... financially sensible. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:09, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Nope. 100% mean. TmtamesP 17:10, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Oh. I see. :-( --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:14, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Todays lesson is that the truth can hurt. TmtamesP 17:15, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Yes, but as a Euro-commie, I believe that the truth is relative. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:17, 28 February 2008 (EST)
I'm nice though :-( -αmεσ (spy) 17:13, 28 February 2008 (EST)

<---Shall we bring food and beverages? Who will be hosting? humanUser talk:Human 17:17, 28 February 2008 (EST)

You will. You have a house, don't you? : ) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 17:22, 28 February 2008 (EST)
I'll bring the gloves and KY!!-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Goatspeed! 17:20, 28 February 2008 (EST)
neither one of you are invited. TmtamesP 17:21, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Bohdan, I'll be there, whether you like it or not. Pinto's5150 Talk 17:24, 28 February 2008 (EST)
You were never invited to this site, Bohdan. You just sort of force your abominable self upon us. It's only fair that we get to barge in on your affairs every now and then. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 17:26, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Wow, you're a rather inflammatory fellow, aren't you? Pinto's5150 Talk 17:28, 28 February 2008 (EST)

I say we get AmesG to archive this mess of a talk page and we play in the clean space. humanUser talk:Human 17:25, 28 February 2008 (EST)

That's it, no debate! Thanks Ames, for not RSVPing. And RA, how do you know I wasn't invited? TmtamesP 17:29, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Coward. If I do remember correctly, you were invited, but then again, you were here before I was. Pinto's5150 Talk 17:33, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Long live le Debate!!![edit]

That's it, the debate is on!

Or, at least, the pre-debate wrangling over time, place, participants and attitude. humanUser talk:Human 17:35, 28 February 2008 (EST)

That's it! Is Human welcome to the cancelled pre-debate debate?

Opinions? TmtamesP 17:38, 28 February 2008 (EST)

I don't think so, 'cuz I'm a mean Euro-commie. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:39, 28 February 2008 (EST)
I already counted you as a "no". TmtamesP 17:40, 28 February 2008 (EST)
I don't think you're welcome either, 'cuz you think I'm mean. That makes me a sad Euro-commie, and there are few things sadder than a sad Euro-commie. :,-( --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:42, 28 February 2008 (EST)

I think the debate is on, and everyone should be invited. If we don't do that we'll be just like CP!-αmεσ (spy) 17:49, 28 February 2008 (EST)

You fool! That's Bohdan's line! --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 17:54, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Next Issue[edit]

Does Bohdan even have the right to call off the debate?

Discuss. Pinto's5150 Talk 18:03, 28 February 2008 (EST)

No. humanUser talk:Human 19:57, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Next Tissue[edit]

Does that bean guy even have the right to question Bohdan?

Discuss. humanUser talk:Human 18:08, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Maybe. humanUser talk:Human 19:57, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Text Tissue[edit]

Does Human even have the right to question That Bean Guy?

Discuss. Pinto's5150 Talk 18:12, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Yes. humanUser talk:Human 19:57, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Point of order! Hey, nadhoB, I need some wikilawyering here! humanUser talk:Human 19:15, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Text Fissure[edit]

Cake? Yes/no/lie?

Discuss. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 18:14, 28 February 2008 (EST)

The cake is a lie! The cake is a lie! The cake is a lie! The cake is a lie! Damn that GLaDOS. Pinto's5150 Talk 18:18, 28 February 2008 (EST)
AKjeldson, what do you mean discuss? TmtamesP 18:33, 28 February 2008 (EST)
That's actually a pretty good question, TmtamosP. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 18:38, 28 February 2008 (EST)
♥ ♦ humanUser talk:Human 19:59, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Mixed Pressure[edit]

What does 'discuss' mean?

Discuss. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 18:38, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Beans? TmtamesP 18:39, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Methane. (nods) humanUser talk:Human 19:15, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Mixed Pleasure[edit]

What duz 'maen' discuss?

Cheezburger. humanUser talk:Human 19:15, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Kan haz. TmtamesP 20:00, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Jinxed Treasure[edit]

Will it blend?

Ssucsid. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 19:26, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Perhaps. TmtamesP 19:26, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Nah, it'll blend. It always blends. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 19:28, 28 February 2008 (EST)
If you say that, then I have to disagree with you. It won't blend. It never blends. TmtamesP 19:30, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Tom agrees with me. Trus me, it will blend. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 19:35, 28 February 2008 (EST)
It's partially blended. The water blends with the alcohol, the alcohol blends with your blood, and your liver bends your brain. humanUser talk:Human 19:56, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Sphinx' Pleasure[edit]

Will Ames love us even more than he already does when he comes back to find his talk page filled with random crap our erudite discussion topics?

Blend. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 20:07, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Ames already hates you and I. TmtamesP 20:08, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Now, now, that's quite incorrect, TmtamesP. It should be "Ames hates me", not "Ames hates I". --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 20:15, 28 February 2008 (EST)
You don't even speak English. German. or Dutchman. Whatever. TmtamesP 20:22, 28 February 2008 (EST)


Take a wiki-break. For a few months

TmtamesP 19:17, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Gee, I thought you meant you blocked me into the middle of next summer! Now shut up, I'm putting 15 years of snowfall records into a spreadsheet to graph. humanUser talk:Human 19:24, 28 February 2008 (EST)
From the evidence above, its obviously messing with your brain. TmtamesP 19:26, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Bugger off-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Goatspeed! 19:57, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Wherein I declare my hate for you all[edit]

Deal with it. Maybe debate at 12 though?-αmεσ (spy) 22:27, 28 February 2008 (EST)

The debate is on in one twenty minutes. TmtamesP 22:41, 28 February 2008 (EST)
I win!-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Goatspeed! 23:12, 28 February 2008 (EST)
This isn't even the debate page, you redneck. TmtamesP 23:13, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Awesome, I eat now, I come debate soon! Midnight, with pistols, and acumen. humanUser talk:Human 23:15, 28 February 2008 (EST)
You said "redneck"! Cool!-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Goatspeed! 23:20, 28 February 2008 (EST)
I used the ad hom template. TmtamesP 23:23, 28 February 2008 (EST)
I nicely fed now, baker tato & ham and swiss omelet (YUM). Let the discussions rolllll!!!! humanUser talk:Human 00:00, 29 February 2008 (EST)
PS, speaking of the ad hom templates, I will be nicifying them soon... Oh well.
Thank you for letting us know what you ate. We were all so concerned. TmtamesP 00:17, 29 February 2008 (EST)

DeBaTe ToPiC[edit]

Should any wiki run on the MediaWiki software honor the open editing policy of Wikipedia?

Alternate topic: If farts have lumps, are they truly still just farts?

Discuss (disgust) humanUser talk:Human 23:58, 28 February 2008 (EST)

PS, CamelCaps are so 20th century: discgusst. humanUser talk:Human
First topic: Not necessarily. Some people may just like the look and ease of use of Mediawiki, and use it for a private website. Only if they explicitly claim to be a wiki should they allow open editing.
Second topic:
--Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 00:05, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Oh oh. I forgot.-αmεσ (spy) 00:19, 29 February 2008 (EST)
I was here at 11 eastern. I created the debate page. You didn't show. You lied again. I don't like you anymore. TmtamesP 00:20, 29 February 2008 (EST)
No!!!! I edited above to say 12 eastern instead!-αmεσ (spy) 00:21, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Oh. Okay. Then nevermind. But I am still taking the victory. Perfect 2-0. TmtamesP 00:23, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Yes, a perfect run. Ames: 2, Bohdan: 0. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 00:25, 29 February 2008 (EST)

2-0-1 draw :-) -αmεσ (spy) 00:23, 29 February 2008 (EST)

This impersonation of you was so good. It was very believable. TmtamesP 00:24, 29 February 2008 (EST)

But my counter of it was exactly 1,337 characters. See? I think i win at life.-αmεσ (spy) 00:25, 29 February 2008 (EST)

I was here at 11 EST, nothing was happening, tmtamesgradiodocpalnamuhpretzel, you LIE! humanUser talk:Human 00:26, 29 February 2008 (EST)
At 11:03 eastern I created the debate page. YOU LIE! TmtamesP 00:27, 29 February 2008 (EST)
You were off stuffing your face with omelettes. TmtamesP 00:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Any you were stuffing your face with crap. In one end, out the other. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 00:30, 29 February 2008 (EST)
I admit it. at 11 I was playing starcraft. Sorry.-αmεσ (spy) 00:29, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Ouch... that really hurts. I was stuck here with Human and the others. TmtamesP 00:31, 29 February 2008 (EST)
I thought we were starting at 12, then I lost track of time :-( -αmεσ (spy) 00:33, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Lets try Monday at 11 eastern. Does that work for you? TmtamesP 00:34, 29 February 2008 (EST)

No, let's try yesterday at 14:00 EST. humanUser talk:Human

Stop edit conflicting with me. CЯacke® 00:35, 29 February 2008 (EST)

So where is this alleged "debate page"????? Heh????? humanUser talk:Human 00:35, 29 February 2008 (EST)
User:AmesG/debate 2-28‎. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 00:37, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Well, then, obviously,

Cubic stupid time!

humanUser talk:Human 00:43, 29 February 2008 (EST)


Aw, Ames, I am not disappointed. I am just a little... disappointed. But we'll debate next week sometime. Until then, TmtamesP 00:51, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Coward. You're just like ASchlafly, postponing the election of sysops. -- eewnamuħ   00:52, 29 February 2008 (EST)

To Bohdan - you bet buddy :-) -αmεσ (spy) 00:53, 29 February 2008 (EST)

"Love is all around, no need to taste it -- you're gonna make it after all!" :) humanUser talk:Human 00:58, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Happy Birthday![edit]

What are you, twelve or thirteen? :) TmtamesP 01:40, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Or was this just another one of your many lies? :( TmtamesP 01:41, 1 March 2008 (EST)

It is true! Thanks Bohdan buddy! I'm 24, meaning very old-αmεσ (spy) 01:42, 1 March 2008 (EST)
I'm still skeptical. After all, you have a reputation for abusing my trust. I seem to remember something about a debate? What happened with that? TmtamesP 01:53, 1 March 2008 (EST)
I let you down because I forgot what time it was :-( :-( :-( :-( off to sleep now tho :0)-αmεσ (spy) 01:58, 1 March 2008 (EST)
No one reset the date/time/place, MR. CP SYSOP AWESOME PERSON. Have you unblocked my IP yet as I requested, sweetheart? PS, way to play the game. Nice work. humanUser talk:Human 01:59, 1 March 2008 (EST)
What game? TmtamesP 02:14, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Well, half my age, I must be dead by now. Congratulations, and sweet of nadhoB to remember - and better yet, it is "David's" day (check your recent changes/watchlist) humanUser talk:Human 01:48, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Happy birthday! And you're not old. Yet. ;-) --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 08:35, 1 March 2008 (EST)


Can I have my crat powers back? Pinto's5150 Talk 23:41, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Thank you, I'm not rightly sure why they were gone. Pinto's5150 Talk 23:44, 2 March 2008 (EST)
I have no idea dude! I thought you were always crat...-αmεσ (spy) 23:54, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Human took them away, and despite Pinto's requets he would not return them. Ames has shown total disregard for Human's authority. What will happen next? TmtamesP 23:55, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Say what? Pinto's5150 Talk 23:56, 2 March 2008 (EST)
Pinto, when did I do it and "why"? Come over to my talk page and discush. PS, what did you want to use them for? humanUser talk:Human 02:03, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Belated birthday gift[edit]

This user was a level 72 Beastmaster before he sold his account on ebay.

Enjoy. TmtamesP 00:04, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Hahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhaahahahahaha I love it! My girlfriend hated that game. But technically, by being level 72, I was a winner?-αmεσ (spy) 00:52, 3 March 2008 (EST)
YOU'RE WINNER! --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 06:52, 3 March 2008 (EST) (Guess the reference and win 12 million competition points!)

Sorry, I'm flat broke and can't get you anything. I spent it all on concert tickets for my brother's birthday. And ice cream for myself. Yah... If it's any consolation, the ice cream was really good. Well, at least the chocolate chip cookie dough, but the "cheesecake diva" was incredibly bad. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 14:21, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Request for friend[edit]

Timppeli forgot his password, and asked me to ask you if you could delete his account so he can start over. Please? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 19:48, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Maybe we should "rename" the old account as (say) "Timmpeli_old" or something? Then I presume the account could be recreated? (But I'm not sure). RA, why don't we do a test of this? I can do that to one of your surplus sockpuppets and you can check to see if you can recreate the account? humanUser talk:Human 19:58, 6 March 2008 (EST)
>_< I just asked you on your talk page without realizing you had already responded here. And yah, sure. How about renaming NamuH to Namuh? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
OK, I'll do it in a few seconds. humanUser talk:Human 20:03, 6 March 2008 (EST)
Done. Do you want to try re-registering it before we do anything with the redirects? humanUser talk:Human 20:04, 6 March 2008 (EST)
Nevermind! I just registered as "Bohdan". The original! :D --Bohdan 20:07, 6 March 2008 (EST)
Yup. Now put those redirects back and lose the password ;) Anyway, what does timmpeli want his "old" name moved to? humanUser talk:Human 20:10, 6 March 2008 (EST)
Timppeli2, he says. Btw, it's spelled with two 'p's and only one 'm'. Just making sure : ) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 20:12, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Er, again, I can "reset" his password to anything just e-mail me in private so no one else gets in. tmtoulouse heckle 20:13, 6 March 2008 (EST)

I'll ask him. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 20:14, 6 March 2008 (EST)
He says he's "trying to find [your] email from somewhere". Would you mind supplying it for him (via me)? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 20:22, 6 March 2008 (EST) tmtoulouse heckle 20:24, 6 March 2008 (EST)

It works! Thanks all. Timppeli 21:20, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Display of Ignorance[edit]

Who's Ms. O'Leary? Susanpurrrrr 15:47, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Obscure and vitrolic pseudoscience blogger. Nuff said. UchihaKATON! 15:50, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Hmm... Illuminating. Susanpurrrrr 15:53, 8 March 2008 (EST)
I believe she burned down Chicago. That would make her a terrorist. DickTurpis 15:57, 8 March 2008 (EST)

THAT was fun. I think I did a good job of being respectful, but Karajou has such a hard on for me...-αmεσ (spy) 16:00, 8 March 2008 (EST)

are you ready?[edit]

For the TK welcome home party? TmtamesP 16:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

I wondered why that shape in my Foe-Glass was getting bigger.-αmεσ (spy) 16:12, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
I'll ignore that. TmtamesP 16:14, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
I'm glad you're back Bohdan. Did you see the card I made you?-αmεσ (spy) 16:16, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Am I Ralph Nader?— Unsigned, by: TmtamesP / talk / contribs

No, I just like that pic. And you are sort of a third party type of guy.-αmεσ (spy) 16:20, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Don't we all like a few Nader pics once in a while? But hey, where is our guest of honor? Since you were involved in the block, would you send the "welcome back" email? TmtamesP 16:22, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
I don't think I could code an appropriate virus in time :-/ -αmεσ (spy) 16:23, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
I will ignore that, and wait patiently for his return and rw's subsequent episode of headless chicken mode. Perhaps this time we can make it throught it? TmtamesP 16:24, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
I think we made it through last time alright. Everybody won!-αmεσ (spy) 16:30, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
As I said before, I was actually under the impression that TK had decided to leave and never come back? --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:37, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
I've left to never come back more times than I can count. Lets hope he comes back. TmtamesP 16:38, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Innumeracy is nothing to brag about, Bohdan, even from a president. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 16:44, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

But we actually like you, Bohdan.-αmεσ (spy) 16:41, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Don't forget about the clean slate rule. TmtamesP 16:42, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
What about the clean slate rule? --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:45, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Anders, please. Think. TmtamesP 16:47, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
A clean slate can be resullied. It's not a permanently clean slate, son.-αmεσ (spy) 16:51, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
"Andreas". Also, I spend all day thinking at work. After hours, I prefer to avoid it whenever I can. :nods: --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:52, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Andreas? I think not. Its time for another debate. Anders v. Andreas

What is AKjeldsen's first name?[edit]


  • Strong support. TmtamesP 16:55, 10 March 2008 (EDT)


  • Strong oppose. TmtamesP 16:55, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

*Strong support. AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:02, 10 March 2008 (EDT) But... it's true. I can prove it. I have papers and... stuff. :-(

  • Comment - nonsense. The mob and the mob alone will determine your name. TmtamesP 17:03, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
    • Reply - Hm. In that case, I might as well try to get a more awesome name. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:09, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
  • Strong oppose - obviously lieberal deceit. humanUser talk:Human 18:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)


  • He's a sock of AmesG. αmεσ (spy) 16:57, 10 March 2008 (EDT)


He's my sock. PalMD



  • Or, in full, "ANDREW SCHLAFLY" - strong support - humanUser talk:Human 18:08, 10 March 2008 (EDT)


  • Exercising my powers as bureaucrat, in the hopes that this may make us "as bad as CP," I find that AKJ's first name is Bohdan.-αmεσ (spy) 20:31, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
  • Strongly disapprove -- Bohdan 21:24, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

food or pet?[edit]

Has your shrimp mauled your betta splendens yet? humanUser talk:Human 21:41, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

They both died :-( -αmεσ (spy) 21:44, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Natural causes, I promise :-) But the betta was the one that tried to kill itt! How'd you know about that?-αmεσ (spy) 21:45, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Oh, I was just browsing around the web, following links... humanUser talk:Human 22:02, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Oh no, I demand a pmail as to where these links were!-αmεσ (spy)

I'm sending you an important email regarding some of what we were discussing ASAP. You should get it in a few minutes.[edit]

I'm sending you an important email regarding some of what we were discussing ASAP. You should get it in a few minutes. humanUser talk:Human 22:12, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

I have sent the aforementioned email. Please check your email soon and read what I wrote.[edit]

I have sent the aforementioned email. Please check your email soon and read what I wrote. humanUser talk:Human 22:15, 10 March 2008 (EDT)


Will you send the email to TK telling him his block is over? Please? TmtamesP 14:53, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

nope.-αmεσ (spy) 15:16, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Well well well, isn't that just the perfect example of liberal tolerance and kindness? TmtamesP 15:16, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
No, it's an example of liberal treating TK as an adult person who probably has a calendar and knows how to use it. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:22, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

I think you're confused about what tolerance means. Where there's objective cause shown to disregard the benefit of the doubt accorded the person, the presumption that he's a nice guy drops out. For example, one need not tolerate a felon who hasn't served his time. Just so, one need not tolerate an insufferably recidivist douchebag. -αmεσ (spy) 15:25, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

If TK said that, he would be blocked. TmtamesP 15:30, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Yes he would. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:34, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
I never said that TK was a douchebag, I just intimated!-αmεσ (spy) 15:44, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
And you were properly blocked for it. Don't do it again. *frowns sternly* --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:52, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Fair's fair :-) -αmεσ (spy) 15:53, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Surprise debate time[edit]

You ready? TmtamesP 22:36, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

"Uh-oh! Here we go again!" UchihaKATON! 22:39, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Oh damn, I was just about to get dinner. DogP 22:39, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Topic? humanUser talk:Human 22:43, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Should DogP get dinner? TmtamesP 22:44, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

-_- UchihaKATON! 22:48, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

I only have my iPhone available right now which means I may not be able to debate well. I nominate human as my second-αmεσ (spy) 23:00, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

I'm Human's second! -- eewnamuħ   23:28, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

I will not attend, as I am going out to have a life after my nice dinner. Debate well, Liberal Scum! DogP 23:32, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Strong support: DogP should get dinner. Food is good. I ate food. It was good. I will live another day to participate in yet another SURPRISE DEBATE. humanUser talk:Human 01:34, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

I have returned to zhe debate, but am a bish too drunk for deh debatink, offisher. G'night. DogP 03:11, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Strong delete - Ames has obviously used extensive original research in his law studies. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

Another debate[edit]

Tonight. 9 eastern. You had better show up. TmtamesP 16:54, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Wait...don't just show up, look around for a sec, and declare yourself the Viktor.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Goatspeed! 17:10, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Depending on the wimminz, I may not be available!-αmεσ (spy) 17:14, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
We could have a debate, "Should Ames have a girlfriend?"-αmεσ (spy) 17:15, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
As long as it's not my wife...-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Goatspeed! 17:16, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Well...-αmεσ (spy) 17:19, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

I heard a rumor that Ames and Spitzer are chums. TmtamesP 17:17, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

We're both liberals and in New York. Coincidence?-αmεσ (spy) 17:19, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Or, "should Ames have girlfriends?" Bohdan, what topic did you have in mind? (deciding whether to spectate or participate) humanUser talk:Human 17:18, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Maybe Ames and Susan could hook up? --Kels 20:19, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Good news![edit]

I just remembered that I can email people through the wiki. TK has been notified of his expired block! TmtamesP 18:56, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

I am RationalWiki's karajou! I destroy all things that I don't like! RAAAAAAAAAAAWR!-αmεσ (spy) 19:02, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
He'll be thrilled, I'm sure. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 19:03, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Go play with your wooden shoes, Anders. TmtamesP 19:05, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Liberals don't make spelling errors.-αmεσ (spy) 19:06, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
That would be the Dutch. Please get your Euro-commies straight. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 19:06, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Dutch, Danes... you're all the same. TmtamesP 19:08, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Debate time! Are the Dutch and the Danes the same?[edit]


  • Strong Support - only someone with a serious WP:COI would disagree. TmtamesP 19:15, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
    • Comment - I'll conflict your interest!-αmεσ (spy) 19:15, 12 March 2008 (EDT)


A bit[edit]

  • Kind of. But Danes are way cooler. See, e.g., Beowulf, but not the movie. Please, God, not the movie.-αmεσ (spy) 19:14, 12 March 2008 (EDT)


They both were wooden shoes, thus they are the same. Simple. TmtamesP 19:16, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

I must protest! Neither I, nor anyone I know, has ever been a wooden shoe. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 19:18, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Don't you know the basics of the theory of evolution? TmtamesP 19:19, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Only the Schlafly clan evolved from wooden shoes and, errrr, other objects.-αmεσ (spy) 19:19, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
AKjeldsen, you are simply revealing your own liberal ignorance. This type of deceit will not be tolerated. Godspeed.

I'll be back at nine when the real debate begins. Please be sure to establish a substantive topic so we can all Learn Together.[edit]

I'll be back at nine (EST) when the real debate begins. Please be sure to establish a substantive topic so we can all Learn Together. humanUser talk:Human 19:43, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

You aren't invited. TmtamesP 19:46, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Thanks! I'll be there!-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Goatspeed! 19:48, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
You are only invited if Ames choosed to go out with Spitzer rather than debate. TmtamesP 19:49, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Are you calling my girlfriend Elliott Spitzer?! Hot! Anyways, I think I will have to miss, can I make Human my second?-αmεσ (spy) 19:55, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Why is it all the interesting debates happen way after my bedtime? :-/ --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 20:05, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Why is it that all the interesting debates happen when I'm supposed to be doing schoolwork? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 08:00, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

What happened to the much-heralded debate for the champion crown of uber-debater that was supposed to be happening hereabouts round about now?[edit]

What happened to the much-heralded debate for the champion crown of uber-debater that was supposed to be happening hereabouts round about now? humanUser talk:Human 21:33, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Ames is out, Kjeldsen is gone, PalMD is missing, and Interpreter is only here in spirit. The debate can't happen. TmtamesP 22:06, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Of course it can -- you and I are both at least partially here, Secret Squirrel is nibbling on stale acorns nearby, and that Glaucopis guy would surely have 3 or 4 depreciated cents to toss into the mix. So I certainly would argue for the proposition that the debate can happen. humanUser talk:Human 22:14, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
It can't. TmtamesP 22:21, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Well, it won't, if you continue to refuse to argue and merely attempt one or two worded gainsaying of the opposing view's presentation. I am going to get some more eloquent editors to come join the fun! humanUser talk:Human 22:27, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Hello. Dark Matter Glaucopis 22:31, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Muwahahaha-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Goatspeed! 22:34, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
I believe the current debate topic is "can the debate happen?" humanUser talk:Human 22:38, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Pwned! ...or?.... shit!!! humanUser talk:Human 22:57, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

You need a new topic. Dark Matter Glaucopis 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
To quote my third favorite video game, "I'm ready to render a verdict in this matter."-αmεσ (spy) 23:01, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
What video game is that? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:03, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Bearded Judge from Phoenix Wright. I'm delighted that there are so many RW fans of that game, btw, and apparently one Conservapedia lib'rul fan too. Anyways, yeah. Ahead of PW are probably Starcraft, Civilization IV, and Knights of the Old Republic. Oh crap, I can't count!-αmεσ (spy) 23:05, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Mine? Pokemon, Fire Emblem, and Zelda. What's with that look? Yes, I am older than twelve, thank you very much. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:08, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Silence! The spirit of Wikinterpreter says that... I win the debate! I am now 3-0 against you. See you next time ames. TmtamesP 23:12, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

I debate the results of this debate. I say Human won it, as my second, meaning I won it.-αmεσ (spy) 23:12, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
You dare question the spirit of interpreter? TmtamesP 23:14, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
My sock was Human's second. Does that mean I won, too? (It boggles the mind...) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:13, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

OBJECTION!-αmεσ (spy) 23:15, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Good day. What's teh topic eh? Secret Squirrel 07:55, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

Consolation prize[edit]

Since I schooled you in the debate, here is something to brighten your day. TmtamesP 23:24, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Since you're evidently too lazy to put it in your signature, I put it in mine. TmtamesPObjection.gif 23:43, 12 March 2008 (EDT)


What did you study in college? TmtamesPObjection.gif 14:56, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

The ladiez. Hahaha. Just kidding. Ancient history, then political science.-αmεσ (spy) 15:10, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
So are you a political science major? TmtamesPObjection.gif 15:11, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

Both. I doubled it up.-αmεσ (spy) 15:12, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

I see. Just curious, where did you graduate from? TmtamesPObjection.gif 15:13, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

Rice. See my luserpage-αmεσ (spy) 15:14, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

I avoid luserpages. Call it a phobia. TmtamesPObjection.gif 15:16, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
Good call. May I help you with some policy or historical needs :-) ?-αmεσ (spy) 15:18, 13 March 2008 (EDT)













Speak to Me! (haha, buttsecks?)

BrainMop.png As a confirmed mustard jar for taking on this job as a Sysop on RationalWiki: I pledge to only block users if they ask for it, or insert unfunny vandalism.
I furthermore pledge that if I indulge in secret private conversations about you, we will make a formal report to the mob. Is that all?
If you impugn my motives without warrant, or challenge my "AUTHORITY", er, there is nothing I can or will do.

Teh Cabal
(Oh noes! Halp!)


Are you ready? TmtamesP 23:24, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

No. --Gulik 00:00, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
I am. It's on! humanUser talk:Human 01:26, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
Hello all. So I was actually flying. See, I was supposed to have landed in City 1 by now, but wound up in City 2. Why, you ask? Two words: fuck Airtran. Some more words: your two-hour delays are bad, and made about 100 people today miss their connections. Human, would you be my second again, even though Bohdan isn't man enough to debate you?-αmεσ (spy) 01:37, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
Sure, no problem. Although all it usually takes to derail teh nadhoB is a simple non sequitur, followed by an ad hoc jab with an ad hominem truth. Hope you make it home (or wherever your destination is). humanUser talk:Human 01:43, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

City #2 is where fambly lives, so life has a pretty good silver lining :-) but thanks for your concern! I'd be concerned for Airtran. Heads're gonna roll.-αmεσ (spy) 01:47, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

ha ha![edit]

Even you believe you're just like what you claim cp is sometimes. TmtamesP 11:59, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

I hadn't paid attention to the according to page in a while, but I do think it's vitally important that we mean what we say, yeah. Which is one reason I like having you around... you keep us honest in our internal dealings, if sometimes you go too far.-αmεσ (spy) 12:03, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
I have been called a sock of tmtoulouse, a sock of you, a sock of aschlafly, but never a sock of tk. TmtamesP 12:05, 14 March 2008 (EDT)


But we could still do with some more help. I'm beginning to get tired and cranky with the discussion. MarcusCicero 13:38, 14 March 2008 (EDT)


Ames, I have secured a wiki for non-stop debating. Please tell me what time you are available to debate. Until then, TmtamesP 19:49, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

You are, however, not permitted to wear clogs or play with Lego while on the site. Just remember that. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
What? I have to play with Lego when I edit wikis! TmtamesP 19:59, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
Remember NDPOV, Bohdan. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
You're right. I will gladly give it up for such a noble cause. TmtamesP 20:02, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
I think everyone should be playing with Lego all the time. The more, the better! --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 20:05, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
That figures... TmtamesP 20:06, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
Well, we all have to do ours for the balance of trade. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 20:31, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
AKjeldsen, please come join the fun at rwww. We need a resident Dane. TmtamesP 20:38, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
As long as he does not try to infiltrate the awesoem articles with a Danish Point Of View! Keep him under close supervision! humanUser talk:Human 21:51, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Its tuesday, debate night. TmtamesP 12:54, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

I'll debate if you go over to the other place & call Ed Poor out on his craziness.-αmεσ (spy) 12:56, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
Really? Now I must earn debates? Are you talking about the liberal code words page? TmtamesP 13:01, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
Just general, "articles sourced to blog posts" pages.-αmεσ (spy) 13:03, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
Whoa. You did. I guess we have to debate now!-αmεσ (spy) 13:35, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
Yes, you owe me a debate. Due to the climate of this site, I suggest we have our debate on Rwww. Not only are there bytes upon bytes to go around, I can block you if I start to feel I am losing. Its really win-win. TmtamesP 17:37, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Well? Where are you? Don't make me write a liberal honesty article... TmtamesP 22:23, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

apologies but I'm currently occupied with throwing up. Some bad Indian food. Pray for mojo. Sysop rights to the first person to place that quote.αmεσ (spy) 00:03, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

As much as it pains me to say this, I don't believe you. You're probably out with Spitz right now... TmtamesP 00:09, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
Bohdan, did you just pass up the op for sysopness?????? Pinto's5150 Talk 00:12, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
B17, you might want to go put a security fence around your beloved RWWW. Teh wandals edit it more than anyone else; teh logo, she iz gonn, captin. humanUser talk:Human 00:20, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
And where, may I ask, were you whilst the wiki was being vandalized? I made you a sysop for a reason. TmtamesP 00:53, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
Bohdan dearest, I was telling the truth! And I just sat up for the first time in 12 hours or so. It's really exciting. I had to share it.-αmεσ (spy) 16:33, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
Ames, old sport, I think I speak for the entire wiki when I say "thank you for sharing". Get well soon. TmtamesP 17:53, 19 March 2008 (EDT)


They think I drove away Susan. Thats why their pissed. MarcusCicero 07:01, 25 March 2008 (EDT)


ames, can you block me for 5 minutes, i dont want myself getting too angry here --RyanB 11:00, 25 March 2008 (EDT)


Ames, do you have a Flickr account?

Reply to apparently Susan. I'm sorry for the comment by StrangeIP above. I've Commented it out for douchiness. I don't :-(. But I guess I could get one! Alternately, could you e-mail me a high-res one? I'm I promise to use it only as a desktop and not commercially :-)
Hope you're back on the site soon.-αmεσ (spy) 23:26, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

Community Standards[edit]

I put some suggestions on RationalWiki talk:Community Standards to help progress the conversation in a new direction. I view it as a community wide discussion, not arbitration for a specific case. Please comment there. Sterilexx 17:49, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

I need help[edit]

Yesterday, TK was blocked for no reason by PalMD. PalMD would not explain why. Would you look into this abuse of admin powers? There was no reason for the block, and no reason given in the block log. Please see my complaint oh his talk and the admin abuse page. tia, TmtamesP 18:20, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

TK's expressed a desire to leave and never come back, so I think the harm is minimal. We'll hear when we get back :-/ -αmεσ (spy) 22:01, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
You mean when he gets back? humanUser talk:Human 22:39, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
Ooops. I'm afraid I just revealed myself as a TK sock.-αmεσ (spy) 22:47, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

No. Yesterday we were having a conversation. PalMD blocked him for no reason. He was unblocked. He was again blocked with no reason then unblocked. Then he was blocked again. No reason was ever given. Is this the sort of site you run? TmtamesP 22:54, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Honestly, I hadn't paid that much attention to the debates/wars surrounding MarcusCicero. I leapt in a couple times to defend who I had imagined to be the underdog, but found my assumptions wanting, and so tried to slowly, slowly, carefully back out :-). So I actually didn't notice TK's blockage until someone brought it up on TK's little CP Discussion Group Google thing. So I don't think I'm that competent a reviewer. Also, I'm biased.-αmεσ (spy) 23:07, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

You are also a liar. You promised me a debate, and you have not followed through. TmtamesP 23:09, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

I'm learning about close corporations and pornographic art. One sounds dirty, the other is! C'mon, no contest. Sorry :-( -αmεσ (spy) 23:19, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
Have you finally lost your mind? I ask you about debates, and you tell me this? TmtamesP 23:42, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
I have started, or added amicus briefs to, some debates at the Great Debate Wiki, but I am getting no nibbles, not even a simple "that's not cricket, old chap"! Slacker. humanUser talk:Human 00:11, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
I voted to accept the debate. TmtamesP 00:16, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Say what?[edit]

Details, man! ;) --Robledo 00:28, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

I conquer concur (assuming Robbley is talking about the Assfly debate at Princeton). DickTurpis 00:32, 28 March 2008 (EDT)
He is indeed. --Robledo 00:35, 28 March 2008 (EDT)
The best source for the details from an attendant to the imbroglio is at humanUser talk:Human 00:49, 28 March 2008 (EDT)
Sweetness. Night, all. :) --Robledo 01:00, 28 March 2008 (EDT)


When you blocked TK, you blocked his email. Earlier you said you didn't know how to do that. Were you (gasp) lying to me again? TmtamesP 18:39, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

Or maybe he just looked it up when you (Was that you? I'm working from memory and gut feeling here... *checks* Ah yeah, looks like my memory was right.) brought it up before...</drive-by-guess> --Sid 18:45, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

Sid got it right. I hadn't seen that option before but jumped at re chance.-αmεσ (spy) 19:09, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

Sid, ames lies to me everyday. I always assume he is lying. Besides, he is a lawyer. TmtamesP 20:27, 29 March 2008 (EDT)
May I create a CP sock and quote you for a new cp:Lawyer values? ;) --Sid 21:02, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

A game to play with laywer friends[edit]

Assuming lawyers have friends give nomic a look some time. --Shagie 22:16, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

That looks super fun. I'm partial to Mafia though... always awesome, but I will try, thanks!-αmεσ (spy) 00:41, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
P.S. - anything that compares itself (seemingly plausibly) to Calvinball is alright by me.-αmεσ (spy) 00:42, 31 March 2008 (EDT)


Will you unblock my real account (human blocked me for no reason), and then rename it to "Wikinterpretererer"? Thanks in advance, Bohdan2 00:56, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

I just learned that this "PMOTF" isn't stated policy, but an advisable policy, but I think that it's a policy which we would be wise to adopt. Accordingly, I didn't unblock you, Bohdan, even though I would've liked to have. Sorry :-(.-αmεσ (spy) 16:07, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
I could not disagree with you more. This site has no rules on blocking, so who can undo an unjust block? At the begining, it was fun to get little blocks. I even requested them. But now, it is getting old and it is sometimes very inconvenient. Perhaps not for the users who are sysops and able to unblock themselves, but for everyone else it is. You, as a high ranking and respected user, need to take a stand against this. Do it for me. I no longer want to be blocked for anything. I rarely ever vandalize the site anymore, so why am I always blocked? And besides even if I did vandalize, read the quote I put on my userpage (it appears some of the newer sysops don't remember this). Put an end to this senseless blocking. Again, it is not hard for you to get blocked for 2 hours, you will just unblock. But I cannot. When I am in a conversation with a user, and an uninvolved user decides (for no reason) to give me "another timeout" for ___ hours, this is very inconvenient. Thanks, TmtamesP 22:10, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
Bohdan, besides what may have been an unjustified block today on you, what other editors are getting inconvenienced by blocks? Have any editors even been blocked lately besides that troll we all got sick of last May or so?— Unsigned, by: Human / talk / contribs
You're right. Not many other editors are blocked unfairly (and if they are, they just unblock themselves). I am usually the one who is targeted. I suppose I am the only non kool-aid drinker left, perhaps thats why?
Look earlier. I was blocked by a user I have never heard of or interacted with. Why? Because I added Tmtoulouse as a problem at the "constitutional convention page? Is that a good enough reason? TmtamesP 23:14, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
Yes, that was a good reason. You added a senseless attack on a particular editor at a policy discussion page. No other users get blocked, sysop or not, if you take the trouble to actually research instead of just whine. If you are "turning over a new leaf", you'll also have to give up random hand grenades on pages people are trying to take seriously. Save them for sillier discussions, like the rest of us try to do. The very fact that the blocker had never interacted with you attests to the "fairness" of the block. It wasn't personal, silly, or fun. It was for disruptive behaviour. humanUser talk:Human 01:12, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Senseless attack? Please, your whole wiki is based on senseless attacks. The fact that he never interacted with me and just blocked out of the blue attests to the fact that your block system is flawed, and you need to start training your sysops what is blockable and what isn't. I am not whining, the only users who get blocked and are unable to unblock themselves are me and TK. My behavior was not disruptive at all, if someone is so disturbed by it, why not just ignore it? I have no reason to give up random hand grenades, as Tmtoulouse assured me safe passage on this wiki no matter what. He specifically said that I would not be blocked. Perhaps Aschlafly is right about liberal deceit? TmtamesP 01:19, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Safe passage? Only as the "resident vandal". And, as resident vandal, you are also game for fun blocks. Or was that only fun last summer? Which way do you want it? Serious editor, no silly blocks, and you comport yourself accordingly, or resident vandal, subject to hilarious short-term blocks just "because", but you get away with any silliness with no lasting repercussions? You can't have it both ways, Mr. SomebodyElsesNames. It's up to you, but you seem to be driven to take the advantages of the "resident vandal" along with the respect of a normal editor. At this point, one is surely tempted to follow you around posting "ignore the troll, he is our resident vandal" and link to the comment Trent made early last summer. humanUser talk:Human 01:03, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
No young man, that is not the deal. Safe passage no matter what. I can vandalize all I want and not get blocked at all. TmtamesP 22:54, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
Bravo, Human. I said the same thing myself some months ago, so obviously I agree with the sentiment. --Kels 21:43, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
You did not say the same thing. Liberal honesty... TmtamesP 22:54, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
Quiet, troll. --Kels 22:59, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
Please point out where you said, verbatim, what Human said. TmtamesP 23:01, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
Please point out where I'm supposed to care about your opinion. Unless, of course, you want to give up being "resident vandal" and thus your supposed immunity. --Kels 23:04, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
For the record, I gave that up a long time ago. I passed it off to Pintobean guy. You're clueless! TmtamesP 23:06, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
And, hence, you gave up the immunity that came with that role. QED, and Welcome to the Dollhouse. humanUser talk:Human 23:34, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
Get bent. I blocked you because, as stated above, it was a stupid senseless attack on Tmtoulouse on a page dedicated to a serious discussion. And get over it, the block was for one lousy hour. Time that was apparently not spent thinking about what you did. Addendum: While you point to this as why you got blocked, it was actually this. Had you left it alone after RA's revert, I would've never thought twice about it. --Edgerunner76Your views are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter 07:29, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
Get a life. This wiki won't collapse because of a sweet attack on Tmtoulouse. TmtamesP 22:54, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
About time someone told the wazzock! SusanG 07:31, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
Go burn a crucifix. TmtamesP 22:54, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
I'll stop blocking you senselessly, and if someone tries to do it in fun I'll undo it. Sorry :-/-αmεσ (spy) 22:38, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
I think the heart of the matter is that if Bohdan wants to redefine his status here, that's fine with everyone - then we'll treat him like any other editor. Of course, that works both ways. No senseless blocks vs. no vandalism and no trolling. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 11:14, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
Did the original "Resident Vandal" concept include trolling in the first place? Wandalism can be pretty light-hearted (and was cute for about a week), but trolling is a bit less of a jolly jape. --Kels 11:23, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
Not that I recall, but it evolved so organically, I guess it's impossible to say for sure. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 11:32, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

Voting on the above matter[edit]



  1. Pinto's5150 Talk
  2. In accordance with RW:PMOTF, only the original sysop can reverse the blocker. Taking contrary action is divisive and impolite. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding
  3. Coincidentally, I unblocked TtamesP earlier today, partly after realizing that no one else would due to the above-referenced policy. How about renaming it to "WikiTwerp"? humanUser talk:Human 14:42, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

For You[edit]

For the lawyers among us
(looks better @ full size) SusanG 17:38, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Susan, this is a true gift of love, and some fine, fine photoshoppin :-). Dickie P will appreciate it!-αmεσ (spy) 23:52, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

I sent a very important e-mail to the ASPCA[edit]

I sent a very important e-mail to the ASPCA. They told me that, due to both the sheer number and brutality of the complaints they receive on you, they no longer handled investigations involving AmesG, instead they said I needed to go to the animal cruelty division of SMERSH. I fired off an email to them, and they assured me that swift retribution would be dealt. TmtamesP 23:51, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

In my defense, I do supply kitty with numerous pictures of her, photoshopped and captioned hilariously, thanks in part to SusanG-αmεσ (spy) 23:52, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
what sort of sick person are you? TmtamesP 23:55, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Fer chissakes he's in school to become a lawyer!!! HELLO? CЯacke® 00:02, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
No, no, no. Lawyers hurt people, Cracker, not cats. Not even lawyers are so heartless. Insurance salemen, now they would hurt a cat. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 01:13, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

side by side template[edit]

I made a new one and put it here for now. I think, and hope, that it would be a lot easier for people to work with, especially those who are table format-challenged. I would like to replace the template itself with it, but thought since you made the original I'd at least get feedback from you before over-writing your fine work. Any comments here, at its talk page, or at talk main (where I made a small blurb for it), would be appreciated! Thanks, humanUser talk:Human 13:47, 2 April 2008 (EDT)


























--TmtamesP 23:49, 2 April 2008 (EDT)



The lord of all universes[edit]

Think Elassint had a mood swing... again --Ryan 21:38, 4 April 2008 (EDT)


If Ames does not respond, I will accept anyone... SHahB 01:00, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Look Amos, you promised me a debate. I ask you: how long? SHahB 16:42, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
Unblock me at CP and we'll see! Or unblock a sock of mine of your choice.-αmεσ (spy) 16:43, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Debate here please. You were already unblocked and that didn't turn out well. SHahB 16:45, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Just because Karajou's primal instincts were aroused when he discovered there was something in his cave. As he seems to be getting dumber by the minute, there's no telling how he'd react now.-αmεσ (spy) 16:48, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Ames. Never. Ever. Put. The words. 'Karajou'. And. 'Aroused'. In. The. Same. Sentence. Gottit?

In other news, I've been a little ill lately, and as such have watched the entire first season of Battlestar Galactica (almost) back to back. It is, as you say, excellent - although I'm not sure yet that I see a similarity between Baltar and Terry.--מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום


(closing argument)

Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Ames would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote "Stinky Britches" ten years ago. And he makes a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a wiki, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

SHahB 22:56, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

OLD! PHAIL! --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 14:22, 9 April 2008 (EDT)
It never gets old. SHahB 14:26, 9 April 2008 (EDT)


Hey homes, any chance that a bureaucrat or someone could reset/change the password on the User:Fox account so that I can reclaim it? I don't especially mind the V. vulpes, but I'd prefer not to be a "sock" of myself if you see what I mean :D If it can be done, then the new password could be emailed to my gmail address and I could reclaim my identity. V. vulpes 15:46, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

I wish I could, but I don't know how to. I think you might have to talk to fearless leader.-αmεσ (spy) 15:54, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Nema problema, I will ask on his page :) ty anyway Fox 15:59, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
One way I or another 'crat could do it would be to rename the Fox account, to something of your choice. Then, you could reregister as Fox (renaming leaves the old name "untaken", strangely enough). Let me know if you want to do that. Although, since Tmt is around maybe for a bit, asking him to do it might work. humanUser talk:Human 22:18, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
I thought of that but discounted it because I assumed he'd want his old contribs acessible, too... but that's a good option if TMT can't help.-αmεσ (spy) 22:21, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
As chance would have it, I just remembered that I had enabled the email, and so was able to get a temporary password :) And now have reclaimed the account. As the V.vulpes is already redirected to the Fox user spaces, I think that pretty much means there are no other loose ends to tie up. Fox 12:01, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
In that case, welcome back to your old self! --Kels 12:07, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Th hug.gifSusanG 12:07, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Hehe, it's just as I remember it ;) Fox 12:22, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Might it be debate time?[edit]

Eh? Public, please join too!-αmεσ (spy) 22:18, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

You can archive, but you can't hide the truth. Nods.gif (<- he nods in agreement) SHahB 22:19, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

But it works so well for Karajou! As anyone can plainly see by looking at his page now, no-one has ever disagreed with him! Otherwise it'd be there or archived, right?-αmεσ (spy) 22:21, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

You can't seem to stop talking about Karajou. Nods.gif (<- once again, he nods in agreement)SHahB 22:22, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
I admit it. I'm so into him. And other seamen.-αmεσ (spy) 22:23, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Does this mean your -supposed- "girlfriend" (I doubt her existence given your editing a wiki) is a sailor? SHahB 22:26, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
KooKoo? And Se(a)men, anyway you can get it? Oooh, the mussels! humanUser talk:Human 22:28, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Those are terrible puns, Human. And she exists! I swear!-αmεσ (spy) 22:32, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, sure. And she edits the wiki with you, right? SHahB 22:36, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Right next to his kitty-kat and the Newton's balls! Mmm, yummy! humanUser talk:Human 22:43, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
I don't think anyone I know is as amused by CP/RW as I am, it's true.-αmεσ (spy) 22:54, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
You think that's bad... how do you think the dear friend who sent me a link to CP last April LAUGHS TO HER FUCKING SELF EVERY NIGHT!!! At how I spend my time. Although, she does chuckle when I say "Assfly". humanUser talk:Human 22:59, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Actually, several of my law school friends were quite proud of my destroying CP efforts, although it has yet to bear fruit. But some are quite amused, so that's good.-αmεσ (spy) 23:06, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Haha, you said "bear fruit". Don't piss off Stephen! humanUser talk:Human 23:07, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Bears grow from fruit. Teach the controversy.-αmεσ (spy) 23:12, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Fruity bears, perhaps. What controversy? You think your "science" can explain this any better?!?!?!?!?!? humanUser talk:Human 00:20, 16 April 2008 (EDT)


I thought we disabled that....PFoster 20:37, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

We did, but it still shows as a group. I'll make you a bureaucrat temp so you can see; it's not a group that you can switch users into or out of anymore, but the software still thinks it's there.-
  1. REDIRECT User:CivisAmericanusSum/AmesGsig 20:40, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
No need to do such a thing - I'll take your word for it, historian to historian. PFoster 20:47, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Thanks! Yeah, trent tried to figure out how to nuke the group, but we can't. Instead, I'm a member of a group with no special page attached. Sigh.-CivisAmericanusSum 20:49, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

No more Mr Nice Caius![edit]

Expect more puns incoming.— Unsigned, by: Interpreted / talk / contribs

I can't believe they used that on BSG. But it was awesome! And the name was inspired more by Marius than by Baltar, I promise....-caius (orator) 16:01, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Dr Dino[edit]

OK so where do I sucker these creationists for $17.95? I can't seem to find the link. (Doh, I searched for free coaster!) Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 18:44, 17 April 2008 (EDT) it doesn't really cost them 17.95, of course. You get a free DVD with free shipping, though. And you can opt-in to their snail mail newsletter (I did), I figure that costs them cash, too. I already got confirmation that mine shipped! Spread this link far and wide, the offer's good through April 30. humanUser talk:Human 19:44, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
But they lose the opportunity cost of $17.95!-caius (orator) 20:09, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
Only by giving it to people who would have bought it anyway - and for those folks, it is, after all, part one of a series of eight. Opportunity cost... you know, the most harm we could do to the social conservative movement would be to kill CP, because then Andy would make things harder for them by re-surfacing. Did his mommy buy him his blog to get him out from underfoot? humanUser talk:Human 21:06, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
The link still doesn't work for me. Maybe because my IP is non-USA. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 03:52, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
No, even through a US-based proxy I can't find it. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 04:38, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
The general consensus is that they shut it down. I read it on a science blog, so I can imagine they got swamped with materialist IPs requesting copies, and zillions of people whose names and addresses didn't jibe with their sekrit "one of us" lists... humanUser talk:Human 12:15, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
That's awesome. Well, I got mine in before it happened :-) -caius (orator) 12:25, 18 April 2008 (EDT)


Are you available? I have a serious topic if you are. SHahB 23:29, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Sure! Don't knwo how long I'll be up though.-caius (orator) 23:49, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

You should stop posting Conservatives name. he clearly does not want it posted, so why are you doing it? SHahB 23:57, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Hmmmm. You have a point. I can't concoct an argument that doesn't sound like one TK would make for using his real name. KDBuffalo, though, I should expect, is fine.-caius (orator) 23:59, 17 April 2008 (EDT) Retracted - I thought of an argument.
But wait. On the other hand, he active trades on that name (Ken DeMeyer) in internet circles, and his denial that he's one and the same is magnificently transparent. Doesn't his usage of the name in internet circles, for similar activities, drop his legitimate expecation of privacy?-caius (orator) 00:00, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
Well, in a way. Whenever someone posts it themselves, then they can't expect privacy. But it seems clear he does not want you to be posting it. Can't you do stop out of the goodness of your heart? SHahB 00:07, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
First I'd like to distinguish between privacy between websites, and privacy between one website and the outside world. I think it violates a canon of internet debate - at least at this level - to use someone's positions against them in the real world. I'm not sure the same thing is true for between websites.
I've actually done a lot out of the kindness of my heart for Ken... I wrote an essay about him that was particularly mean-spirited, and upon his request, I deleted it. He has yet to do the same regarding his KDBuffalo account. But, I think the issue is material to his dishonesty and level of argument at CP, if he's ashamed of his past attempts. But, upon request from him, I probably would.-caius (orator) 00:12, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
"I've actually done a lot out of the kindness of my heart for Ken... I wrote an essay about him that was particularly mean-spirited" - gee, what a friend. SHahB 00:14, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

I didn't think it was too mean spirited at first. But he convinced me and I took it down. If you want to talk real mean spirited... have you read cp:homosexuality?-caius (orator) 00:17, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Don't try to change the subject, Amos. SHahB 00:26, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
And now you misspell my name! Do I have to change my name back now?-caius (orator) 00:26, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
What? I misspelled your name? When? SHahB 00:29, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
It's "Ames" you lie-beral!-caius (orator) 00:31, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
I've called you Amos before. You haven't noticed until now? :( SHahB 00:33, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm not that bright. I wouldn't retain me.-caius (orator) 00:35, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Speaking of real names... oh, nevermind, Bohdan 127 apologized for that. Back to business, serious, boyz. humanUser talk:Human 00:44, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

sub pages[edit]

Aren't they all at Luser:Caiaphus/ by now? You might want to take out the trash if you really want to slowly fog the trail of that wanna-be lawyer guy you used to play on here. humanUser talk:Human 23:45, 18 April 2008 (EDT)


I figured that I'd put this here instead of the debate page. I'm from Pittsburgh, Pa. Except for when I went to college outside Eire, Pa. I haven't moved around much. --Edgerunner76Your views are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter 14:14, 23 April 2008 (EDT)


Sorry for saying you are long-winded, arrogant, and self righteous. It wasn't fair, I know you're still in school. To make it up, I will advertise your blog on my user page. SHahB 18:17, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Am I allowed to comment on your blog? Every day? I will promise, no trolling. I only troll here... SHahB 02:51, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Definitely!-caius (orator) 09:37, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Wait. Ames has a blog? Since when? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 12:56, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
She's brand baby spanking new.-caius (orator) 13:03, 24 April 2008 (EDT)



Based on Fox's obscnee reading of what the cat is doing, I can't tell if you're being obscene or not... but I like it! I love my qitty :-) -caius (orator) 18:14, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Shifty.gif Never crossed my mind. SusanG  ContribsTalk 18:21, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
HAH! Me either. That fox is a dirty old bugger. But yay! I has a lolcat.-caius (orator) 18:22, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Arterial blockage[edit]

I think that was I, wiseass ;) If you ever need it, ask & I'll give you the password. If I remember it. humanUser talk:Human 21:22, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Whoa. I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about.-caius (orator) 00:02, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Orly??? Surely you remember blocking some lawyer-wanna-be from NYU when they turned back up on here after you tried to run and hide your nefarious web-identity? humanUser talk:Human 01:18, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

YES! Were you the creator of the new Ames account? I figured it was my pet troll!-caius (orator) 01:47, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

Hehehe. It's my favorite hobby, registering old user names after their inhabitants have migrated. I even tried to register "Bohdan" on CP after Shabby evacuated it, but my IP can't register usernames on CP and I'm too lazy to learn proxy use. humanUser talk:Human 14:06, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

Just curious[edit]

Are you Is AmesG still of the same opinion about Ed Poor:

Honestly, I think he's the most sane of them all there; while that's not saying a huge amount, I don't think he's the one to worry about.-αmεσ (spy) 10:07, 14 January 2008 (EST)

I may have had similar feelings at those times, but the last few weeks have convinced me of the opposite. (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 08:56, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

I had no opinion on the guy but after my little bit of googling, I now think he's a fifth column working everywhere trying to get people to think he's a reasonable guy while pushing his Moony agenda. SusanG  ContribsTalk 09:19, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, Editor & Susan, I have changed my opinion ever since the great crazy-going of Aught-Eight.-caius (orator) 10:32, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
I used to think EP was "mostly harmless", and when I said that to Trent he was shocked - shocked - that I thought so. It takes a long time to see just how weird he is, though of late it's been easier to catch on to. So I would echo Caius' learning curve on this one. humanUser talk:Human 13:54, 1 May 2008 (EDT)


so you are the insidious caius! Rubico 20:43, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

I am! I'm very evil.-caius (orator) 20:55, 1 May 2008 (EDT)


Your edit summary here was totally devoid of class, and also slanderous. I always thought you were better than that. SHahB 01:18, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Copycat - I has one. But I'm disappointed in him/her too.-caius (orator) 01:20, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Do you really expect me to believe that isn't you? Who do you think it is? SHahB 01:23, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Someone who likes provoking Karajou?-caius (orator) 01:23, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Yes, but you are the only one who likes that. SHahB 01:25, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

No, I like provoking Ed Poor. SCW was me. But the people who keep reverting back teh comments are not.-caius (orator) 01:25, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

I've seen you provoke Karajou. SHahB 01:28, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Yes, and I've posted ridiculously often about it, and about his tendency to now overshoot and assume everyone is me. I suspect someone picked up on the lulz n ran. The timing was quite poor for me though.-caius (orator) 01:29, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Please Ames, just admit you sock often. You are far more recognizable then you seem to think. SHahB
The last two I had lived only long enough to plug my blog & die. I'd love to hear what makes me recognizable though - as you yourself point out, the people you're accusing of "being me" actually act quite differently.-caius (orator) 01:36, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
No, no you have little things that give you away. "RCooper"? Please, try to mix it up a bit. SHahB 01:41, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Sock identification on CP is nothing but paranoid guesswork, Shabohdan my hairy friend. I have been blocked for being AmesG on several ocassions, and I'm fairly certain I'm not.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 01:43, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Dude, check out the recent changes. The goal is attainable. SHahB 01:44, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

LOL! Yeah, sorry about that 85 :-/. Check this and do a find for "AmesG" - it's ridiculous.-caius (orator) 01:50, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Idea - I think he thinks all Tor users are me. I do use Tor - but I learned the trick from other people at this site. That's a particularly shitty assumption of him to make.-caius (orator) 01:51, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
(Edit conflict) Oh, don't worry about it, it was kinda flattering :) But making the sysops believe that they can identify hidden enemies in innocent accounts is the surest way we can starve CP of sincere editors. It seems like whenever I get blocked over there, Karajou selects three random bystanders and assumes they're also me. Progress!
And, yeah, I think he thinks only one person could possibly use Tor, and I have frequently found that Tor also temporarily gives me IPs that are used by other people on the wiki, so that is a serious error for him to make.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 01:56, 9 May 2008 (EDT)


Thanks for putting me in touch with your gay lawyer friend in NJ. He's agreed to serve the crvio class action directly to the man himself and do all the paperwork as pro bono. Together KTDiputsho and FrancisG have got well over a hundred examples and almost thirty have now signed up so far. The evidence from the talk pages where they have ignored warnings should be quite damaging. However, Harvey says that even if the court only gives token damages his standing in legal circles should be severely undermined. The only disappointment is that it won't happen until a few days after NotBK. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 03:16, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

So someone finally managed to build a (legal) case against ASchlafly? That's good to hear. Question: Are you sure we aren't violating some sort of privacy law by discussing the details of a legal case on a public forum like this? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 11:49, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
I'm not sure about the wisdom of info leaks - and all I did was suggest the guy to go to if they wanted to go to someone - but this is inspiring news indeed. But, a little good news from the troops can't be that harmful :-)-caius (orator) 11:52, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Trent is gonna setup the user group "Ides" soon, that will help a lot I think. humanUser talk:Human 13:06, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Ides means...? NightFlareSpeak, mortal 13:13, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Got it. Wow, I had no idea that things were comign together this fast. NightFlare, you'll be blown away.-caius (orator) 14:04, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
I'm metaphorically peeing myself. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 14:08, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
What a coincidence I am literally peeing myself. Wut 14:09, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Good man. Next Friday will be legen...
Wait for it...
Dary.-caius (orator) 14:11, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Op Merry Days[edit]

Caius, some bad news and some good news. Today's testing went splendidly - especially the rights toggle. The problem is only accounts with rights can be manipulated. So if your sock never had rights in the first place then they can't be changed. However, any accounts that did have rights, even if blocked will be promoted. So if you really want to use your AmesG account for that pwning you'll have to get whoever ran Samwell or Mex Max to unblock you. They will have to unprotect the required page. We reckon you'll have about four hours to play with before the system has to be reloaded. None of the original sysops, bureaucrats or even controlling admin will have any rights whatsoever while those with edit, block or upload will have full sysop rights (HJ even gets to be a bc!). I only wish we had real pyrotechnics to go along with it all. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 17:22, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Shoot! But since TMT used to be a sysop, he'd be a sysop again, right? And since my Phoenix account used to have edit, that could still work?-caius (orator) 17:35, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
I knew PhoenixWright was you! Stop naming your socks after videogame characters. Like Arcturus Mengsk— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 17:46, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
No, anyone who was a sysop cannot be made one again. So Fox and TK would not be reinstated. It would have to be someone who only had edit,block or upload rights. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 17:52, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Sorry 85, PhoenixWright wasn't, but "Phoenix" - one word - was. So Genghis, would Phoenix (who only had Edit I think) get sysopry?-caius (orator) 17:53, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Yes. Have to go now I've had a long day and by head is spinning. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 17:56, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

My favorite part about this plan is that they can't do a goddamn thing about it. Genghis. Good job.-caius (orator) 17:57, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Wait - did you set the transwiki from ED to CP up? I can't see it, and if it's not working, then they might be able to reverse it. I mean, only Ed has the know-how, but it's still a risk that said plan could backfire terribly against all of the seven participating wikis. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

Just out of curiosity - will the "Ides" be receiving all of the attention it deserves, so that we may all partake in its lulz? In other words... will I actually know when it's happening? Will others be able to follow the succession of events? Or will this be a silent and deadly strike, with only shadowy high-fives passed about afterwards before moving on? UchihaKATON! 21:47, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Once the wheels are set in motion, there won't be anywhere on the planet - nay, in our solar system - nay, the entire galaxy - where you won't be able to see the gears grinding. However, it is rumored that the best seats are in the inner Oort Cloud. Things might be too bright and too loud to really appreciate from our earth-bound vantage. However, the dvd set of the process will be carefully filtered. humanUser talk:Human 22:06, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for the response human - I await with anticipation! UchihaKATON! 22:24, 13 May 2008 (EDT) "...said plan could backfire terribly against all of the seven participating wikis." Is that a good idea to write, or is an indication of scale (such as that) just fine to disclose? UchihaKATON! 22:27, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

I think that was hyperbole and worrywartism if our toys got loose before they were fine-tuned to obey us 100%. What's more likely is that six of the seven wikis will be all that remains of human civilisation when the dust settles. Wait, was that more hyperbole? Stay tuned ;) humanUser talk:Human 23:02, 13 May 2008 (EDT)


I have some questions that need answering, Caius. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 03:42, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Deep as a puddle[edit]

I think you said it a while back, but it bears repeating. Yes, their faith really is that shallow. I'm a freakin' nonpracticing pagan, and even I can conceive of a richer Christianity than that. --Kels 23:04, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Kels - YES! I absolutely agree! That argument never seems to sink in with them. I wrote an editorial like that for the Rice editorial pages, and it was the ONLY ONE which I got significant hate mail!-caius (orator) 23:39, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
What is the "Rice" you're talking about? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:22, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
RA you're still in high school, right? Go west, my son, and grow up with the country!-caius (orator) 17:12, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Don't listen to that man. Come to the Big House. PFoster 20:23, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Hey, you know what they say: Harvard is the Rice of the northeast.-caius (orator) 20:32, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Nay, Caius: I'm in college. And I'd rather not go back to Texas—two years of my childhood spent with fire ants was enough for me, thank you very much. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 11:48, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Why did I think you were in high school? I'm... not that bright.-caius (orator) 12:08, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Were you thinking of Godless Liberal? And the "I'm not so bright" self-gloss is my turf. Lay off. Frantically working on my Epic Phail MA thesis. It sucks. I'm doomed. PFoster 12:11, 14 May 2008 (EDT)


Well hello Caius, how do the coming ides find you? Cassius 20:17, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Surprisingly well :-). our edits in that namespace aren't showing up in recent changes, are they?caius (orator) 20:23, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
No, they are not. Cassius 20:34, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
MWAHAHAHAHAHA. I only wish TK were alive to see this.-caius (orator) 20:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
That would indeed be interesting. Hmm.... Now where's Casca? (Sorry, couldn't resist.) Cassius 20:44, 13 May 2008 (EDT)


Would a raid coinciding with Ides be a good thing or a bad thing. UchihaKATON! 16:25, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Just don't forget your Kevlar? humanUser talk:Human 16:27, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
No, you know, DDOS... I saw one or two threads suggesting it so I wanted to know if I should discourage it to prevent interference. UchihaKATON! 16:29, 15 May 2008 (EDT)


Don't be a stranger. SusanG  ContribsTalk 22:10, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

I promise I won't be! Unnamed Law Firm is keeping me busy, and the journal, I actually have work on it all of a sudden. Le sigh. But I'll be back soon, I love you all too much to stay away for more than it takes me to get caught up with life :-) -caius (orator) 23:46, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
Think of me when you're playing with your Pussy. SusanG  ContribsTalk 07:17, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Newton kitty? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:25, 28 May 2008 (EDT)


Its been a loooong time Ames. Debate? SHahB 00:04, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

I know I am not welcome here, so, yes, I'm in! ħumanUser talk:Human 00:54, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
You're correct, you are not welcome. So indeed, lets begin. SHahB 01:11, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
What's the topic? "Danish poker players - are they just sexy, or are they smart as well?" ħumanUser talk:Human 01:13, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking: Welsh footballers - are they all as ugly as Ryan Giggs? SHahB 01:20, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Hmmm, what's your fetish with "futballers"? Most of us Walish peoples are teh pretty and have teh pretty voices. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:26, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Futballers? What on earth is that? Use English, not Welshish. SHahB 01:28, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Sorry, typo, I meant "futbol". Screech we Dainisch, not the Islander slanguages? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:44, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
You are a football fan, right? I thought all humpback whales were? SHahB 02:02, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Can we debate something worthwhile, please? <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes. 02:22, 28 May 2008 (EDT)


Ames, you have repeatedly ignored my calls for debate. Is there something (or someone) else I should know about? SHahB 21:06, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Hee hee. I'm sick, actually, and sleepy. Watching Enterprise and socking at CP seem to be theo nly things I'm capable of.-caius (orator) 21:15, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Tought it out. SHahB 21:17, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Enterprise? You watch Enterprise? As in "watch it and enjoy doing so"? --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 05:21, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

I do! Seasons 3 and 4 are quality! Seasons 1 and 2 are, of course, unwatchable crap, though.-caius (orator) 09:36, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Self promotion?[edit]

Nods.gif :) SusanG  ContribsTalk 18:44, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Apparently Shangrila Habib and her Buttresses is asking you a question about the validity of her actions over at the CP block log.[14] You can use my red telephone if you need to, it's Swedish. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:30, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
After reading this diff, I am certain that's Ames. SHahBCause in every city, there's fools to pity. 21:49, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Funny, that read more like Andy, to me. Oh well, you know them both better than I do. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:57, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
That was DEFINITELY Ed Poor's wife. Remember, wearing pants is cross dressing for her. Nice of her to inform us that she's playing by the rules.-caius (orator) 22:54, 14 June 2008 (EDT)


I appreciate the thought, but I saved everything on all of my essays, userpage, and user talk page. So no worries :) --Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 21:11, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Glad to have you here full time buddy. You lasted longer than any of us could've guessed. I suspect you won their respect, if not their minds. Very good job. Well done.-caius (orator) 21:49, 18 June 2008 (EDT)


Ames, can I have your permission to use this Ames image in an Ames userbox? I uploaded it last night and was instantly blocked for two days. Bohdan2 21:25, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Depends upon the box, but so far I suppose :-).-caius (orator) 00:47, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
The box would say "AmesG". Like the Kjeldsen box (his had a picture of wooden shoes). Bohdan2 00:50, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
Caius - I deleted the image, (did I block?) Anyway, if it is of you and you approve then it's your call. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 16:30, 3 July 2008 (EDT)


Ames, in order for this relationship to work you need to be honest with me. What sort of discussion went on in the secret forum? It was conversations about site policy, wasn't it? Bohdan2 00:39, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

Actually, no: when a conversation developed into site policy discussion, it was stopped and the thread moved, or conversation discontinued and begun again here. The forum's almost dead lately; it was 99% just about keeping things from TK.-caius (orator) 00:56, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
And Bohdan. 01:02, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

Give me access, Ames. Give it to me. Now. Give it. Now! Now! Now! Bohdan2 01:09, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm not sure that Ames even can give you access - I can't remember if he's a forum benevolent dictator admin. I, on the other hand, could. But I don't think I will. Sorry. :-( --AKjeldsenPotential fundamentalist! 08:30, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
It's not worth accessing anyways, Bohdan. The secret forum is like the Special Discussion Group, only without the backstabbing, paranoia, and general intrigue, and with more goat jokes. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:39, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
"...only without the backstabbing, paranoia, and general intrigue..." - so in other words, it's nothing like the SDG at all. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 15:56, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
But they're exactly alike! They're both closed-to-the-public secretz! Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 04:10, 4 July 2008 (EDT)


Meh, Schlafly was on the radio also. You're really not that special. Say, is that really how you pronounce your last name? I always thought it was pronounced Jones. Bohdan2 22:14, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes, but Schlafly entire purpose when doing so was to pimp Conservapedia, not to sound intelligent. In fact, he's also appeared on TV, but only under the networks' policy of "equal time for nutjobs". Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 11:29, 10 July 2008 (EDT)
Hey, is "bŌ-dăn" really how you pronounce your name, Bohdan? I always thought it was pronounced "bastard". Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 11:29, 10 July 2008 (EDT)
LOL! Bohdan's a harmless friend... I prefer my name pronounced "mon capitan."-caius (orator) 00:16, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
What about "KJeldsen"? Bohdan2 22:00, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
How about "JEldsen"? ħumanUser talk:Human 23:40, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
I actually go by "Ed Poor." That's right. You ought have guessed by now! MWAHHAAH. After all, by Karalogic(c), we're both in Manhattan, and probably both use RoadRunner, so...-caius (orator) 11:40, 12 July 2008 (EDT)
What's "RoadRunner"? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 16:34, 12 July 2008 (EDT)
A cable ISP brand name. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:42, 12 July 2008 (EDT)
'Kay, I understand now. Thanks. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 17:26, 13 July 2008 (EDT)


Still no word from ASchlafly. Have you sent an email? Bohdan2 22:00, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

I think I'm on the block list :-)-caius (orator) 22:38, 11 July 2008 (EDT)


So that's your game? Starve the cat to death? That's low. Very low. I am ashamed of you. Bohdan2 22:09, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

How dare you blaspheme Teh Ceiling Kitteh?!?!?!?! ħumanUser talk:Human 02:58, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

I already read that ^_^[edit]

Am I overusing that smilie? Marginally Less Chaos!Audacity! 17:09, 31 July 2008 (EDT)


Change the links in your blog as well.
If you haven't already, I mean... ~ Gloom(is never asleep) 12:48, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Ah, I also redirected the old site, so internal links should bounce correctly after ping-ponging off :-)-caius (orator) 19:54, 3 August 2008 (EDT)


You might want to define it along the way, it took me several clicks to get to "Party Unity My Ass" at riverdaughter's blog... Wait, I can edit this wiki! Thanks for reminding me. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:25, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


Entertaining Sme (see your block comment) is all very well, but I hope you'll help out when I'm cleaning Jinx's crayon graffiti off the wiki :P <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!Hysterical and useless 22:34, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

That I can do :)-caius (orator) 22:55, 27 August 2008 (EDT)


There have been quite a number of ames blocks by Karajou and HenryS in the last couple of days, and I was part of it in many of them. I hope you don't mind. The invitation is valid though, if you happen to come to this part of the world. It extends to Karajou and Toffeeman and all RWans too. Harimau 09:33, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks man! I had missed that, that's hilarious! I haven't had a sock on CP since the Great Debate, but apparently every drunk has-been Holmes needs his Moriarty, and, even when I don't know it, I guess I am that Moriarty. Good show bothering Karajou :).-caius (orator) 11:49, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

This is an archive page, last updated 4 January 2012. Please do not make edits to this page.

"Hmmm. I did pull a TK.". -αmεσ (spy)

Tabula Rasa[edit]

Hi!-caius (orator) 11:54, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Hi. What do you want?
Hurry up. I'm a busy fish. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!Hysterical and useless 11:55, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
Hi, I'm selling these nice leather jackets... --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 11:56, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
I thought it was "fine leather jackets". You're expelled from the obscure injoke community. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!Hysterical and useless 12:00, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
Grand. Then I'll have more time for my meetings at the community of people with faulty memories. If I could just remember when they were, that is... --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 12:02, 1 September 2008 (EDT)


You're part of the Democratic Attack Machine™. Sterilesnore! 17:30, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

I intend to use my newfound status to destroy common decency in America. YES WE CAN.-caius (orator) 17:51, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
Once more into the breach, people. Harry, England and St. George, and all that. Keep up the good work. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 17:55, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Tip re: Sarah Palin[edit]

You might find this week's Sinfest comics of some interest. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 15:17, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Thomas Friedman on McCain ...[edit]

... is a good read. Sterilesnore! 17:40, 9 September 2008 (EDT)


Feel free! Hell, subtract/edit if you don't think something is funny. Tell your friends. I plan to add it to the Fun name space once it's up to snuff. --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 05:39, 24 September 2008 (EDT)


You and you shameless self promotion of your own blog. Why dont you get job. Ace McWickedcast ye the first stone 20:28, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

He does. He works in a law firm in New York City. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 21:14, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
You're cluelezz. Ace McWickedcast ye the first stone 22:45, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Not yet :). Just a 3L now :). Will be working for them soon! For now skool is teh job. But I love my self promos :).-caius (orator) 17:44, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Also, I can tell from your insistence that I get a job that you probably oppose school prayer.-caius (orator) 17:44, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
No, you are in denial. As I have always said, Liberalism causes breast cancer and "Prof." Dawkins causes abortions. Ace McWickedcast ye the first stone 18:59, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
Hey, good work on The Tangled Bank this week. You'd think Colorado Springs spoke for the entire state. EVDebs 14:56, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
Thanks buddy! Colorado Amendment Two was truly the most bigoted thing ever created by a democracy in the modern era. It takes a truly twisted mind to call it okay: Scalia simply amazes me.-caius (orator) 16:54, 2 October 2008 (EDT)


Three at once! New3.pngPink(I think we have a medal for that) 15:14, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

/bow ;-)-caius (orator) 19:49, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

You have not responded to my very important email[edit]

Well? What do you have to say for yourself? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 18:29, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Oh no! I lost it! What was it!! I'm so useless! <self flagellates>-caius (orator) 19:49, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Your blog...[edit]

...isn't showing up right in IE, although it's fine in Firefox. Something with the "Endgame" entry. Sterilesnore! 09:22, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

CARP! I'll look into it... I don't know how to fix that though.... tech person halp plz?-caius (orator) 14:41, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
A comparison between two "closing arguments" is striking:

Closing arguments.jpg Sterilesnore! 15:43, 30 October 2008 (EDT) Sterile! That's SO COOL!! Can I put that on my blog :) and attribute you?-caius (orator) 01:17, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Please do--World allows use under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 United States License. (And you can attribute to Ian, since that's who people will recognize over there!) Sterilesnore! 09:03, 31 October 2008 (EDT) Sterile's OK, too...

You can haz youtube faem?[edit]

Some extremely poor vocals, but it praises your blog vs. Andy's humiliation in this clip. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 22:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)


Is it just me, or are the sliders messed up? Whenever I try to go to either WiGO talk or the CP idiot thing I get an error crying about slider.php. JazzMan 02:14, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Correct - I can't get anything at all. Someone with tech knowledge... HELP.-caius (orator) 02:15, 18 November 2008 (EST)
I've alerted the relevant authorities...-caius (orator) 02:18, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Did someone ask Andy for tech support help? Stop the blog, I wanna get off. Stile4aly 02:19, 18 November 2008 (EST)
lols. Luckily, Trent's a master of fixing disaster :)-caius (orator) 02:24, 18 November 2008 (EST)
There is an upside to all this: I discoved that nifty side wordle and am now having fun comparing different wiki's versions of articles about Barack Obama. I want to do one of Ken's articles next and see how big the words "in" "regards" and "to" are. JazzMan 02:31, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Jazz, I'm going to need to see those charts :) :) -caius (orator) 10:43, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Tried (4 times) to Wordle Ken's "Homosexuality" - every time Firefox gave up the ghost and went in to "sulk" mode. So I stopped. ToastToastand marmite 10:48, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Here are teh linx: Conservapedia vs. RationalWiki vs. Wikipedia. A visual representation of Ken's vernacular is interesting stuff indeed. (Big words: wrote, following, and regarding).

This was particularly interesting. I typed the Obama web address into the "website address with an RSS feed" line, and out it popped. I have no idea what's on CP's RSS feed, but Joaquin is all over it. JazzMan 15:17, 18 November 2008 (EST)

"Following" and "regarding" bigger than all the others - not a shock :). Those are awesome!-caius (orator) 16:12, 18 November 2008 (EST)
I am having way too much freaking fun with this site. Guess whose user:talk this is? JazzMan 16:32, 18 November 2008 (EST) <-- frantically looks for more things to copy/paste into wordle

Hey there[edit]

Ames, is you? They deleted a lot of your comments from TWIGO and I reverted. CorryI'll be in the hospital bar. 20:16, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Think the IP edit conflicted & chose the wrong option. ToastToastand marmite 20:17, 24 November 2008 (EST)
Def wasn't me - thanks for asking though!-caius (orator) 21:21, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Next time you decide to put on a fresh pair of socks[edit]

...use a name from this list, we have a lot to get through. DickTurpis 18:12, 25 November 2008 (EST)


Is this like Ed's promotion the other day? - User 02:44, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Definitely :)-caius (orator) 02:45, 3 December 2008 (EST)
Wiki-tease! - User 02:47, 3 December 2008 (EST)
Totally blueballed Kenservative.-caius (orator) 02:48, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Andy's Lawyerin' Skillz[edit]

I WiGO'd it, but I thought I should point out this little gem. I'm no lawyer, and Canadian to boot, but even I can see there's so much wrong here it makes my eyes cross. --Kels 00:05, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Questions for you[edit]

I was just wondering if you had any advice to a young black man thinking about starting his own blog? It would be really helpful if I could learn from someone with a little more experience than I. Thanks in advance! SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 04:06, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Yeah man! Use Wordpress... provided you don't want to do anything too fancy with your site immediately, hosting for free on is the easiest system to use, with the best community & publicity. What would be your topic?-caius (orator) 09:12, 12 January 2009 (EST)
Wait, Caius is black? Redchuck.gif Генгисmutating 12:30, 12 January 2009 (EST)
to Genghis, No, I'm black.... and to Caius... probably politics and anything that comes to mind... Kinda Dave Berry meets Al Franken. SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 13:19, 12 January 2009 (EST)
Other than wordpress, anything else come to mind right away? What about readership? You seem to have a decent number, other than pimping yourself out on RW (something I plan to do a lot :-) What do you do? SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 01:06, 14 January 2009 (EST)

Ah! Sorry I didn't get back to you! As for readership, I'm honestly nothing special: Wordpress, thankfully, pimps its own content, and RW is always good for about 150+ hits per day (hi guys!!!). For readership growth, PalMD might be a better advisor: he's WILDLY successful (I'm jealous!). A couple good tips to get yourself noticed, though, are to seek out people with similar blogs on Wordpress and link to them: more often than not, your blog post will show up in their comments, and you'll get traffic from it and start building a side-community. Similarly, carnivals are always good - that is, groups of similarly-motivated bloggers writing on narrow subject fields, like "Tangled Bank" by PZ Myers - and get you some "authority" rather fast. Beyond that, I'll sure link to you when you start it, and that might be good for a few!-caius (orator) 01:14, 14 January 2009 (EST)