RationalWiki:Articles for demotion/Archive 2021

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December 2021

Charles Darwin | Result: Left as is

Charles Darwin (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to silver

1. Definitely missional, supportive, even if there could be a bit more work done on him. CorruptUser 22:41, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Status quo

1. Sorry, but 22 refs is barely enough for a bronze, let alone a silver. Andrew5 (talk) 23:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
2. Automatic rejection: there are bare links in the refs. Outside of that, the references are a bit barren. Good potential silver-level candidate, just needs more sources. -- Techpriest (talk) 14:16, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
3. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 11:48, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Horseshoe theory | Result: Re-Shod with Silver Horseshoes

Horseshoe theory (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs)

Silver shoes

1. While silver horseshoes are soft, I feel like this is an important topic. People need to get along with one another, and being so crazy that normal people have trouble telling the difference between your position and that of your supposed opponent means you need to rethink your stance. CorruptUser 20:57, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
2. ~90 references, only 2 are Wikipedia, looks good to me.Andrew5 (talk) 14:14, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
3. Rockford the Roe ^{boop my snoot}_{praise Oscar Wilde} 14:19, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
4. It is much improved from what it was, now including both extensive critiques and possible explanations. Bongolian (talk) 02:32, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
5. Let's do it. -- Techpriest (talk) 22:20, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

November 2021

Ben Shapiro | Result: Demoted to bronze, with no objection against promoting to no brainstar

Ben Shapiro (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to silver

1. Decent start, could be silver with some polishing. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 05:28, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

The article does seem to be significantly problematic, especially with the Youtube and Twitter links. Aside from that the content is decent enough. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 06:23, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Demote to Bronze

1. This is a viable bronze article. It is not a viable silver article yet. References are too unpolished. The problematic stuff @Plutocow mentions is a joke. It's complaints about the article being messily organized (messy is Brexit, Shapiro isn't) instead of being organically grown and, links not being archived and his BBC interview. None of that I would qualify as an article needing attention. Unarchived links are not an attention part. The article isn't that disorganized and putting something you think belongs on the page as a reason for needing attention is... not something I agree with. -- Techpriest (talk) 22:06, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
2. I cleaned up the article a bit, removed 2 strikeout humour references, the "nickname" they put there, and deleted a redlink, so I'll say it's narrowly a bronze and can be demoted. Generally it doesn't require a vote, but in this case it does as there is a demotion vote, so please don't change the rating until the vote concludes. American time change coming up November 7, Andrew5 (talk) 22:47, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
3. Would be viable for silver, but almost the entire thing should undergo some reordering, so bronze seems like a good spot to me armed_roomba (she/her)^{What am I doing wrong this time?} 23:47, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. It's worth noting that the talkpage lists it as a significantly problematic article, which is an automatic disqualifier for bronze let alone silver. Though if you think it shouldn't be considered significantly problematic, you can make your case. Plutocow (talk) 05:56, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

   See my vote. It's mostly bs reasons that don't really count for significantly problematic. We have a list of rules for when an article becomes significantly problematic and most of the complaints are rules we apply to Silver-or-higher articles and in one case a non-sequitur. I've neutralized the brainstar. -- Techpriest (talk) 22:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

   I cleaned up the article a bit. American time change coming up November 7, Andrew5 (talk) 22:47, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

2. Oh. I made the vote intending for the article to be given bronze, not silver, but in the section I wrote silver. Whoops. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 09:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

   Bronze doesn't need a vote. If anyone believes it's worthy of bronze, it is, so long as they could reasonably make a case why it's vaguely missional and not a giant mess. CorruptUser 21:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

   However, in controversial cases, a vote is a good idea. American time change coming up November 7, Andrew5 (talk) 21:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

3. It appears their is a 3-2 split for bronze. Generally bronze doesn't require a vote but as its somewhat split, I am leaning towards it failing. Andrew5 (talk) 20:52, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
4. It's honestly gone stale, with no votes in a while. It appears to be no consensus even for bronze. While this generally doesn't require a vote, it appears two people think even a bronze is too little. Perhaps close with no brainstar? Andrew5 (talk) 14:23, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

What a ghastly mess (status quo)

1. It's got a ton of references, though many are fragile twitter and youtube links. That's probably the article's saving grace, such as it is. There are several things that really stand out about this piece. It's very poorly organized — just look at the table of contents. Yikes! And the first six paragraphs... ugh, what a freaking mess of strikeout "humor", "citation not needed", "do you really believe that"... it looks like someone took a bunch of memes and put them in a blender and copy-pasted them into this ghastly mess. This article needs a complete rewrite, not a demotion. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 18:22, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
2. Not yet good enough for bronze. Christopher (talk) 21:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

October 2021

Jesus | Result: Status quo

Jesus (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to gold

1. Jesus Kevs ^Ping! 06:05, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
   1. Sure. although how come it is "demotion", when it is being promoted to gold? Gale5050 (talk) 21:21, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

      It is RW tradition: RationalWiki:Community Standards#Demoting and promoting users. Bongolian (talk) 03:59, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Status quo

1. Red links, one reference is bare http. Bongolian (talk) 06:53, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
2. No less than three "citation needed" tags need to be addressed before this one's ready. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 19:14, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
3. Low on references. Most of the stuff is right now references in-line to our own transcription of the bible. That would at the least be converted to proper references before gilding this page. -- Techpriest (talk) 21:54, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
4. I casted my vote when I knew less about RW policies, but now that I do, I can surely say even calling it silver is nice, and it should not be gold. American time change coming up November 7, Andrew5 (talk) 22:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Goat

• Can this please be closed? It appears that there is a 4-1 vote against this, and it’s been out for more then 5 months? Andrew5 mobile (talk) 23:58, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Dana Ullman | Result: Status quo

Dana Ullman (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Status quo

1. References need cleanup. Bongolian (talk) 06:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
2. Many references to wikipedia articles. -- Techpriest (talk) 21:58, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. Cover story nominee. Kevs ^Ping! 06:02, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Creationism | Result: Status quo (tie)

Creationism (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to gold

1. Well-written and missional. Kevs ^Ping! 05:58, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Status quo

1. Given the length of the page, there's a distinct lack of references on the page (15). WP has 200. Bongolian (talk) 07:47, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
2. Per Bongolian; voting to break the tie. -- Techpriest (talk) 21:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Vagina steaming | Result: Demoted to gold

Vagina steaming (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to gold

1. It's well-written and well-referenced. @LeftyGreenMario and CircularReasoning, would you care to vote now that LeftyGreenMario has changed the language to be more inclusive? Bongolian (talk) 19:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
2. --Goatspeed. _{Stalk me}CircularRasoning^{See what I'm planning} 01:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
3. This waiting on anything still before going gold? - David Gerard (talk) 21:22, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Status quo

1. It's bordering gold, but I'd rather see the amount of refs crack 100, length to be a bit longer and for it to look more like a gold before voting to demote. Time change coming up November 7, Andrew5 (talk) 21:26, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. Cover story nominee. Kevs ^Ping! 06:09, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

• Probably should change to inclusive language (e.g. trans men with vaginas). --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

• I agree with LGM. Maybe change it to "people with ovaries", as I remember my science teacher calling them... --Goatspeed. _{Stalk me}CircularRasoning^{See what I'm planning} 23:01, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

• There's two history sections, so that's a bit weird. There's a part where the practice was reported by media and got popular but there's not much information either way how the thing got popular. Is this a relatively modern practice with the antiquity veil or are there records of the thing centuries ago? Article doesn't definitely say. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:14, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

  @LeftyGreenMario, I combined the two history sections and clarified the history. Bongolian (talk) 03:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

I have put this on the cover. SO THERE. - David Gerard (talk) 21:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

WND | Result: Left as is

WND (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Status quo

1. Needs more citations, particularly sections without any. Bongolian (talk) 07:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
2. Borderline worth being promoted to bronze. Andrew5 (talk) 01:05, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
3. Monet ^Ye 19:11, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. Cover story nominee. Kevs ^Ping! 06:10, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Militia movement | Result: Demoted to silver

Militia movement (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to silver

1. I added some images for context so the article doesn't present itself as a big wall of text. Overall, this one's very well done, and with a little lit of tweaking, deserves silver. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 03:57, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
2. I have performed cleanup on the page. I agree. Bongolian (talk) 07:21, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
3. Fan of how the article goes a bit into other countries too. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 17:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
4. It's iffy, but I'll say it can be a silver. Andrew5 (talk) 01:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Status quo

1. There are huge chunks of text with no citations. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 19:13, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

September 2021

Neoreactionary movement | Result: Demoted to silver

Neoreactionary movement (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to silver

1. I performed a complete review and revision where necessary. Citations are now readable and working. Bongolian (talk) 19:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
2. I agree that this one's ready for silver. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 22:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
3. It's a low silver, but a silver. CorruptUser 17:12, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
4. But it is nowhere near gold.Andrew5 mobile (talk) 19:01, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
5. Deserves it.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 20:21, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Mormonism | Result: Demoted to silver

Mormonism (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to silver

1. I read the entire page, edited where necessary, and fixed all the citations. Bongolian (talk) 04:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
2. I think it's ready for silver. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 18:21, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
3. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 03:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
4. Monet ^Ye 12:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

How come there are still monkeys? | Result: Left as is

How come there are still monkeys? (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to gold

1. If cover stories come from silver articles, then why are there still silver articles? Rockford the Roe ^{boop my snoot}_{praise Oscar Wilde} 06:59, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Status quo

1. Has the nominator read every word of the article? Bongolian (talk) 06:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

   @Bongolian I didn't nominate the article, it was @David Gerard. Monet ^Ye 11:52, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

   Sorry about that. Bongolian (talk) 19:26, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

2. Not good enough to be gold. Christopher (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
3. Monet ^Ye 12:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. Cover story nominee. Kevs ^Ping! 06:04, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Moon landing hoax | Result: Left as is

Moon landing hoax (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to gold

1. Definitely missional.Kevs ^Ping! 06:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

#GeeJayK (talk) 21:10, 25 June 2021 (UTC) Bongolian convinced me otherwise. GeeJayK (talk) 19:44, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

#--Goatspeed. _{Stalk me}CircularRasoning^{See what I've been messing around with} 23:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Status quo

1. I'm actually going through the whole article in detail. This should have been done by someone (@Monet) before making the proposal for demotion. The main problems are the citations: some failed and needed to be replaced. There are two entire sections without a citation; this needs to be fixed before demotion, and I'm not likely to do it. Bongolian (talk) 20:51, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

   There are also several dead links to JAXA/SELENE that I have now marked. Unfortunately, while there are archived copies of these pages, the archived copies do have the images, thus rendering the archives less than useful for our purposes. This also needs to be fixed before demoting the page in addition to the "citation needed" places that I marked. I have now completed my read-through of the page. See: [1] for my post-nomination changes. @Monet, CircularReasoning, and GeeJayK I'm disappointed that people think that moving a page to a cover story when there were/are obvious problems with it. Bongolian (talk) 06:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

2. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 22:17, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
3. Alas I didn't look into it enough. --Goatspeed. _{Stalk me}CircularRasoning^{See what I've been messing around with} 17:28, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Goat

• Sure this article covers the breadth of the counter arguments? I feel it's really good as a base but just making sure all pooular debunkings are here. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
• Yeah, agreed with above. Wouldn't be upset if it was demoted though. CorruptUser 18:31, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
• It needs work, but it can get there soon. What I'd really like to see in general is evidence from everyone who votes for demotion that they have read the whole article by way of recent edits. Bongolian (talk) 04:59, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
• we have demoted a lot worse AMassiveGay (talk) 08:58, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

  Not the best reason for demotion. Bongolian (talk) 20:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Jordan Peterson | Result: Demoted to silver

Jordan Peterson (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to silver

1. I performed a complete review and revision where necessary. Citations are now readable and working. Bongolian (talk) 06:48, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
2. Demote to silver. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 22:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
3. Most of the complaints on the talk page IMO show the quality of the article. GeeJayK (talk) 23:03, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
4. Pretty fleshed out.Andrew5 (talk) 13:49, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
5. Demote. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 14:46, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
6. He's pretty well known. If Dawkins is silver, Jordan can be too. CorruptUser 17:13, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Status quo

1. Doesn’t seem like a big enough issue to me. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 22:51, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

August 2021

Bryan Fischer | Result: Status quo

Bryan Fischer (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Status quo

1. Video link fail, references need cleanup. Bongolian (talk) 07:00, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. Cover story nominee. Kevs ^Ping! 05:57, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
2. Wow, we sure have forgotten about this whole "articles for demotion" thing, eh?-Flandres (talk) 01:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

May 2021

You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, but You Can't Make Him Think | Result: Promoted to bronze

You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, but You Can't Make Him Think (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Promote to bronze

1. The article probably shouldn't even be silver as it has missing sections on several chapters. I haven't checked the writing, and it's a lengthy article, maybe someone can. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
2. Also, the references are not cleaned up. There are relevant links missing, for example to the RationalWiki:Annotated Bible. Bongolian (talk) 01:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. Cover story nominee. Kevs ^Ping! 06:11, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Birth control | Result: Status quo

Birth control (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Status quo

1. I feel this article is good as silver from a glance, but I also feel there's a lot more to the "Religious opposition to contraception" than the section currently lets on. Also, again, the article needs to have language changed to be inclusive (trans, intersex, and nonbinary people for instance; a man can have a uterus and a woman can have a penis, or even have a bit of both, etc.). I also feel the politics section probably needs to be more in-depth (sexual politics doesn't even have citations in the article and I think there has to be discussion about birth control's major role in part of the sexual revolution) and maybe there's a bit of U.S. centrism. Additionally, a lot of politics surrounding birth control has advanced since 2012, so the article needs an update reflecting that. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 04:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
2. Article hits multiple categories on our mission, but I feel we need to make more love to it first before it's a Gold article. CorruptUser 16:52, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. Cover story nominee. Kevs ^Ping! 05:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

2012 apocalypse | Result: Status quo

2012 apocalypse (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Status quo

1. I know length in of itself shouldn't be a factor of singling good articles, but if you compare this article to several other gold, this just doesn't have the breadth of content. You can, however, argue that neither does Autism omnibus trial, a gold article, but that could be reconsidered as it was put for gold in 2008 and standards have likely changed since then; it's also tagged with an improvement comment on the talk page, which I think should disqualify it for gold, as gold articles should not have any improvement tags. There's also Baraminology which also isn't very long for a gold article. The citations aren't formatted either. Nevertheless I can see this as a cover story. Try comparing this and Wikipedia's variant and see where we fall short or where we do better than Wikipedia. We don't want to be like Wikipedia-lite. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 04:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
2. It's not particularly relevant these days. Might have been missional ten years ago, but no one is still running around claiming the world will end in 2012. CorruptUser 18:30, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
3. It's good as is. Bongolian (talk) 18:42, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
4. Agreed with above. I do think it's a big enough phenomenon to warrant being a cover story though (with the caveat that I haven't read the requirements for cover story status yet). ℕoir LeSable (talk) 18:47, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. Cover story nominee. Kevs ^Ping! 05:53, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Donald Trump | Result: Promoted to bronze

Donald Trump (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Make RationalWiki Gold Again

1. Easily a gold cover nomination, the only objection was the possibility that the lead (and cover story) could receive extremely significant alterations. Seems to not have happened in the 4 months the doofus has been out of office. Let's do this. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 21:18, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
2. I agree. He's more missional and relevant than Ken Ham or many other people we cover. CorruptUser 23:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

   More relevant, but definitely not more missional. I'd say Ham is more old-school RW. Gangster Computer God (talk) 20:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

I won this election by like, a lot

1. I don’t like that there are segments with just a main template and no other text. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 20:46, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
2. I strive to clean this page right the hell up when my final assessments are over in two weeks, and some smaller bits over this period. It's a massive effort, but I need something to do and it will be worth it in the long term. Only at that point can we, or even should, discuss whether this page should be upgraded. Its layout prevents any upgrade discussion, because it's such a clutter. The Curly-haired Sea Animal^{Here's the "Coral Kennel"} 11 May 2021, 19:11 (UTC)

And this guy came up to me ... big, burly guy, tears in his eyes, and he said, "Sir! Sir, this is Bronze!"

1. Read the thing from start to finish. Structurally, it's a mess, the lede is bad, and generally, the article does a poor job of identifying and explaining the key aspects of his rise to power and presidency. There's a minimum of 10 hours' solid work just to unfuck it enough to make it silver, and that's without having to dick around negotiating obvious improvements on the talk page. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 12:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
2. Actually agree. The article is very disorganized. I mean at a glance it looks great because it seems long and has a ton of sources, but the article itself, it needs a lot of improvement. It's surprisingly hard to just *find* or retain information in general, difficult to complete the article and get a sufficient summary of things. As for disorganization: What is the "Stranger things" section? What goes in there? What's the relationship of the information there? Should "Pretending to be religious" go in "Stranger things"? What's the rationale for the location of "Rare moments of sanity" being located right before his awful presidency and even his rhetoric? Should Stranger things really go into his presidency or his background before presidency? Why is the presidency section so far down in the article, and why doesn't it seem very... sufficient? Why does his presidency begin with Russia collusion rather than begin with what he actually did for the U.S., which isn't discussed until after cabinet members, and when it is, it is about "dismantling Obama's legacy" when I feel that doesn't accurately sum up the presidency. The section "Undermining democratic institutions" doesn't even go into detail how Trump is doing it, and it just lists the democracy index. I know maybe it's listed in other parts of the article, but that makes it a fault of article organization. I know a lot of content from this mammoth article was relocated to separate articles, but this also means you shouldn't have nearly empty sections that link to the main page. Those articles should be comprehensive, but the main article still needs a really good summary, not a one-liner. What we can do for starters is the first section of the article should be background information. How Trump was raised, grew up, and then maybe it can go into his business ventures to show his background as a lying scam-artist, which the article kinda does do. But should the business ventures section also talk about how he used to presidency to funnel money into his coffers? I don't see mention of his hotels even though his university and Golf courses have sections. The article "Presidency" is a smattering of information. And after that.... the article is abruptly over. There is a list of nicknames shortly after, but after that, it's just a list. I keep pouring through this page and I keep finishing it as feeling like there's a lot more to be said about Donald Trump. Certainly, a lot of information is relocated to smaller articles, but the article doesn't have a proper flow to it and should alleviate the gaps we created from relocating information.
   
   But that's a start. tl;dr: Just remember, my issue with the page is that I read and and came away not feeling like I know a lot about Trump and I have no idea about the relationship of his smaller pages. Maybe there's a point earlier that the article being about an ongoing subject shouldn't be an obstacle for gold, but this is May, and there's nothing about how Trump was barred from social media for inciting an insurrection, or I just can't find the information in the section I'm looking in; maybe the section is in the lead section, but I hit Ctrl+F just to find it, and I see, at most, an implication he got banned. I'm also not seeing much information on the post-2020 status including legal investigations into Trump. The subject matter is still hot and volatile. Getting information up to date is already a challenge, but writing it well, organizing it, sourcing it, and re-summarizing Trump is another monster Gooper Blooper. I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert on Trump and his influence and legacy, but the article isn't helping me either, and if it doesn't help me, I doubt it's going to be a worthy gold article. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
3. It’s all already been said, there’s a case to be made this shouldn’t even be bronze. One other structural oddity I noticed: “Rare moments of sanity” is a section that’s meant to be about his stopped clock moments, yet there’s a subsection of a different section entirely titled “A stopped clock on Iraq?”. Iraq isn’t mentioned in rare moments of sanity at all. Christopher (talk) 21:45, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
4. (EC)This reminds me a lot of our Brexit article. Both are obviously the result of regularly updating a very important rapidly changing subject with obsessive dedication. Both will likely not be fixed because so much has accumulated it takes a herculean effort to read the damn thing, let alone "clean it up." At least we could start fixing the Brexit article because Brexit is, if you will, "finished." I'm not so confident saying that Trump is just yet.-Flandres (talk) 21:48, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
5. Not until he croaks. Bongolian (talk) 07:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
6. Kevs ^Ping! 07:46, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Michele Bachmann | Result: Keep silver (2-6)

Michele Bachmann (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Promote to bronze

1. I don't think this article is good enough to be a cover story. Kevs ^Ping! 13:57, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

   .... Okay? Tell us why. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 14:41, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

2. Total has-been. I couldn’t even tell you what national office she held off the top of my head. Worth an article but not worth a cover story candidate ranking. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 20:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

   House of Representatives, Minnesota, a major part of the Tea Party shenanigans in its founding days. The name makes one nostalgic for ye old days on the Internet when WND, the Drudge Report, and Free Republic were the depths of right-wing insanity (well, okay, there was Stormfront, but only Nazis went there, and no one liked Nazis). Now apparently a Dean of Pat Robertson U Regent University. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 22:22, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Leave as is

1. Please put a constructive reason for this proposal. Thanks. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:31, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

   Compare this article with other cover story nominees. There are many similar articles to this, but they are bronze. Kevs ^Ping! 07:52, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

   From a glance, maybe. But can you please put effort in your criticisms? Just go through why you think this is closer to bronze than others. Is the depth of content inadequate? Are sources poor? Does the article need expansion? Perhaps the article has less "missionality" than like Homeopathy's article, and maybe Bachmann has less relevance than before, but this isn't unique to to Bachmann in our silver-level articles. If qualifications for silver need to be revised, perhaps that's discussion, but I don't see anything about this article that makes it less worthy of silver than, say, Desiree Jennings, Shoo!Tag, IslamicAwakening.com. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

   Ad hominems. Other silver articles don‘t have them. And yes, it‘s less missional than other cover story nominees. Kevs ^Ping! 10:51, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

   Ad hominems? What? Don't be dismissive. Is this not true, that you put inadequate effort in your votes, which doesn't cut it when you're dealing with a process that needs good input? You've had people ask you to elaborate your votes several times. You're still not putting any effort in my requests, which are designed to help you to evaluate a page and help you convince others why you think a page should be demoted or promoted. I already provide examples to counter your claims about relevance; you're not supposed to just reiterate your previous argument. Actually address my examples. Actually put in the time to write out a good critique rather than having waste my time trying to guide you and you not listening to me or others' advice on voting or creating these proposals. DuceMoosolini could actually provide something we can work with, please do the same. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

   I already explained my points, why it should be bronze: Ad hominems, not enough missionality and there are several articles similar to this and they aren‘t silver either. Kevs ^Ping! 19:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

   Oh, so I misread your points. I think the insults for her are justified. How is she not missional? And what articles are similar to this and aren't silver? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:07, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

   I didn‘t say she‘s not missional, I only said she‘s less missional. A few examples: Fred Phelps, Phyllis Schlafly, Sarah Palin. Kevs ^Ping! 05:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

2. An important part of our history as a wiki.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 21:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
3. It's important to give an RW take to the world on charlatans like this. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 01:11, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
4. Insufficient rationale to promote, and suggestion was made by a user who is notorious for wanting articles deleted for BS reasons. --Goatspeed. _{Watch me}CircularRasoning^{See my latest prototypes} 01:13, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

   The last Afd for „BS reasons“ was two months ago (RaHoWa). My last two Afds came through. Kevs ^Ping! 07:50, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

5. -Flandres (talk) 01:23, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
6. The scum also rises. Bongolian (talk) 07:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Islam | Result: leave as is

Islam (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to silver

1. Well-written and missional. Kevs ^Ping! 09:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Status quo

1. Not good enough, imo. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 16:29, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
2. I want more silver articles, but this is more of a historical sort of thing for supporting other articles. Now, Islamophobia is a good topic for silver/gold, as are articles on Islamist terrorism, conspiracy theories regarding Islam, pseudo-scientific arguments regarding Quranic foreknowledge and whatnot. CorSock (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
3. It's accurate, I guess, but this doesn't really fulfill RW's mission on "Explorations of authoritarianism and fundamentalism" very well. Maybe a couple of edits could get this to silver, but for now, it's fine the way it is.— Jeh2ow ^{Damn son!} 15:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. One of the requirements for slivering an article is that it’s potential gold material. I don’t see us having Islam on the front page unless we demoted one or two other major religions at the same time. Christopher (talk) 09:47, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Blazing Saddles | Result: leave as is

Promote to Bronze

1. It's a good movie. It's an in depth article. But is it so missional that it could ever be a cover story?CorSock (talk) 20:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
2. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 22:30, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
3. Kevs ^Ping! 15:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Leave as is

1. I supported its original demotion to silver and I support keeping it silver. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 20:21, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
2. I'm biased. Bongolian (talk) 20:34, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
3. Deserves its current place.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 18:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
4. Hi!-Flandres (talk) 18:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
5. It's fine being silver. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:36, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Goat only pawn in game of life

1. There were two of us who gave a silver badge for this dang thing, so unless you can wrassle up a posse, it should probably stay as is. Bongolian (talk) 19:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

   We'll do the ol' number 6 on it...CorSock (talk) 19:55, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

George W. Bush | Result: no consensus

Silver

1. CorruptUser 01:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. Definitely deserves silver. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 01:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
3. -Flandres (talk) 01:13, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
4. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 05:33, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
5. 𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 19:33, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

As Is

1. It meets all other requirements, but I don't see it meeting the "Article topic is directly relevant to and worthy of RW's mission". Let's talk about this once Adolf Hitler has gone gold. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 01:46, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. I'm not in favour of silvering articles on historical figures. He was relevant when he was president but that was 12 years ago. Avida Dollars^{her again} 16:06, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

   Well, the aftershocks of his tenure still deeply affect us today...-Flandres (talk) 01:34, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

   There's very little of that in the actual article though. Avida Dollars^{her again} 07:52, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

3. I don't believe the article is ready for Silver. As Avida Dollars points out, not much of his legacy has been talked about to the correct standard. The Curly-haired Sea Animal^{Here's the "Coral Kennel"} 10:29, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
4. Yeah, the article should delve more into the deep and long-lasting negative impacts of his presidency. Bush deserves a gold article, but we really need to do credit to his terribleness. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 07:57, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
5. Kevs ^Ping! 08:42, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. Seems to be a bit controversial. I'm fine with not demoting if there's more than a token objection, even with 2 to 1 in favor. I kinda think we should need more than just a simple majority since, well, mob mentality and all, but we don't really have rules on this so, IDK. Let's see what the Supreme Court says... CorruptUser 06:06, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

April 2021

PETA Result:Demoted

Silver

1. YepCorruptUser 02:30, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. -Flandres (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
3. Now that the references are cleaned up. Bongolian (talk) 01:27, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
4. Sources cleaned up; all non-archived sources currently exist. 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝑒 ^talk 02:02, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
5. Kevs ^Ping! 07:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

As is

Citations need cleaning up if nothing else. Bongolian (talk) 07:05, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Bongolian I have cleaned up all the bare URLs except this one, which should be replaced because it doesn't really back up the claim it's attached to. I have not examined the references numbered in the 60s and 70s. 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝑒 ^talk 23:10, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

OK, good work! Bongolian (talk) 01:27, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

1. Keep it as is. Only needs cleaned-up citations. 2601:199:4181:E00:C104:BDD8:3A6:D02F (talk) 20:58, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Companion goat

• Superbowl ads and exploiting women should probably be merged as it's both about sexual objectification. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 00:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

PEGIDA Result: Demoted.

Silver Cross

1. These guys deserve it CorruptUser 02:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. -Flandres (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
3. 𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 17:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Bronze Star

1. Kevs ^Ping! 06:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Order of the Goat

• Well I'm in it. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 02:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Manosphere Result: After one month, it's 2 votes for demote and 2 votes against. No consenus.

Demote to Silver

1. I give it my beta-male weak support. Given all the incel murders of late, fairly important. CorruptUser 02:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. -Flandres (talk) 01:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Leave As Is

1. Kevs ^Ping! 06:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. Needs more work, in my opinion. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 05:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Church of Scientology Result: Left as is

Demote to OT III

1. Me CorruptUser 00:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
2. Good, extensive and thoroughly sourced article that's missional to boot. Demote ASAP. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 01:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
3. -Flandres (talk) 01:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

We need to pay more first

1. Citations need cleaning up first. Bongolian (talk) 07:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
2. As well as the badly formatted citations already mentioned, some sections aren't referenced at all. --Annanoon (talk) 09:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
3. Kevs ^Ping! 11:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
4. It could be silver at some point, but it needs more references in a few places, and many references that are there are a poorly formatted mess. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 14:49, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Jeb Bush Result: Left as is

Silver

1. Feel free to disagree CorruptUser 01:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. Yes. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 01:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
3. -Flandres (talk) 01:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

As Is

1. I don't see how someone so insignificant as Jeb is worthy of silver level. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 01:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. Same reason. Jeb who? Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 02:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
3. ? Kevs ^Ping! 08:33, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
4. Not really worth it, surely? a minor figure in politics at his peak, he's now a footnote in history. Avida Dollars^{her again} 15:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
5. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 05:34, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Holocaust | Result: Demoted

Holocaust (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Oops, should have clarified silver

1. This is a high quality article on a subject vital to the wiki's mission. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 18:59, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
2. Agreed 2A02:120B:C3FB:3B40:405E:9B00:E152:34FE (talk) 19:05, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
3. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 19:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
4. Plutocow (talk) 19:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
5. Yes. Bongolian (talk) 19:41, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
6. Kevs ^Ping! 19:56, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

North Korea Result: Demoted

Silver

1. It's why I'm here. CorruptUser 02:26, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. -Flandres (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
3. Cool shit. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 05:36, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
4. I cleaned up the references. I now support demotion. Bongolian (talk) 18:03, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
5. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 18:36, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. Needs citation clean up first. I'll give it a read-through. Bongolian (talk) 02:39, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

March 2021

Tiananmen Square Massacre Result: Demoted

Demote to Silver

1. Could be gold as far as I'm concernedCorruptUser 02:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. Yes! Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 02:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
3. -Flandres (talk) 02:35, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
4. Yes to silver. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 14:44, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
5. Yes. Bongolian (talk) 02:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
6. Kevs ^Ping! 05:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Uighur genocide Result: Demoted

Silver

1. I support. The article, not the genocide. CorruptUser 00:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
2. Sure thing. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 01:10, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
3. Absolutely silver. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 01:31, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
4. -Flandres (talk) 01:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
5. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 05:38, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
6. Kevs ^Ping! 11:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Goat

i feel like im always bitching bout something but this article has vexed me for sometime. china being china is very tight lipped about the whole thing. theres a media black out and all. as such there is little known for certain. we know there is a massive internment in reeducation camps. we know from some leaked documents and from satelite imagery. we know surveillance is insanely pervasive. we know there are prohibitions and restrictions and obstacles to dissuade uighurs from practising their religion or aspects of their cultural. what is known is worrying enough, and i understand what we know is enough for it to be categorised as a genocide.

but this is all we know. the rest is rumour and uncorraborated testimonials. this article regurgitates every rumour as if it was all proven fact, as if it were all uncontested eye witness accounts, and the significance and meanings of this claim or that claim as presented in the article is often not supported by its references or it is grossly misrepresented - so often i'd need to go through line by line to highlight it all, which i just not gonna right now., i just dont wanna. is not helped that its all a little scattershot in its presentation.

i realise some folk here have a tendency to accept every outrageous claim made about china without question just because its china, but as ive already said what is known for certain is worrying enough, and i understand what we know is enough for it to be categorised as genocide. i have no problem recording what rumours emerge from the news black out, or the testimonials even (many of which consist of 'i heard this' or 'i heard that' type accounts of torture - not first hand), but the article does a poor job and relating to the shortage of verified facts actually coming china. its pretty shoddy over all in documenting or recording. its a political tract. AMassiveGay (talk) 08:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Bible Result: Demoted

Silver

1. natch. CorruptUser 00:59, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. -Flandres (talk) 01:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
3. Yes. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 01:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
4. Sure. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 01:41, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
5. Yes. Spud (talk) 04:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
6. Yes. Bongolian (talk) 04:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
7. — 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 ^{talk stalk} 05:32, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Alternative medicine Result: Demoted

Demote to Silver

1. Very missional, half the reason for this wiki. Def needs silver. CorruptUser 20:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
2. -Flandres (talk) 01:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
3. I think it needs a bit of cleaning up around the edges, and more citations would be nice, but as it is, it deserves silver. The work needed to get it to gold status is worth it. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 01:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
4. Yes Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 02:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
5. I have cleaned the page up. I now support demotion. Bongolian (talk) 20:15, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
6. Demote. --Goatspeed. _{How's my editing}CircularRasoning^{My experiments} 20:19, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Goat

• It needs some editing. I will decided after going through it. Bongolian (talk) 04:30, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide denial Result: Demoted

Demote to Silver

1. I believe that this is a well sourced article, but more importantly, this article is critical to the wiki.CorruptUser 20:10, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
2. I support demotion. Bongolian (talk) 20:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
3. I concur, this article deserves silver. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 01:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
4. -Flandres (talk) 01:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
5. Yes. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 02:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
6. Yes. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 02:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Goat

I'll read the whole think in a couple of hours and give my opinion. GeeJayK (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Logical fallacy Result: Demoted

Demote to Silver

1. Because I am never wrong, and I said so, this must be the right choice. CorruptUser 01:13, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. Yes. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 01:21, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
3. -Flandres (talk) 01:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
4. This thing is good enough for Gold as far as I'm concerned. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 01:40, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
5. Bongolian (talk) 01:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
6. Definitely. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 02:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Joe Biden Result: Left As Is

Demote to Silver

1. yup CorruptUser 01:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Leave as is

1. We should be less hasty to do this for articles documenting recent events which may need to be constantly updated. Besides, some sections of this still need polish.-Flandres (talk) 01:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. This page documents current events and it will likely change dramatically over the course of the next few years. I think we should wait. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 01:06, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
3. For the reasons I put on the talk page. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 02:01, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
4. Nope. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 02:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
5. Bongolian (talk) 03:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Homophobia Result: Fabulous/Demoted

Demote to Silver

1. How could you not? CorruptUser 01:10, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
2. Yes. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 01:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
3. -Flandres (talk) 01:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
4. Definitely good and missional enough for silver level. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 01:38, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
5. Looks good to me. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 19:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)