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May 2021[edit]

Birth control | Result: Status quo[edit]

Birth control (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to gold[edit]

Status quo[edit]

  1. I feel this article is good as silver from a glance, but I also feel there's a lot more to the "Religious opposition to contraception" than the section currently lets on. Also, again, the article needs to have language changed to be inclusive (trans, intersex, and nonbinary people for instance; a man can have a uterus and a woman can have a penis, or even have a bit of both, etc.). I also feel the politics section probably needs to be more in-depth (sexual politics doesn't even have citations in the article and I think there has to be discussion about birth control's major role in part of the sexual revolutionWikipedia) and maybe there's a bit of U.S. centrism. Additionally, a lot of politics surrounding birth control has advanced since 2012, so the article needs an update reflecting that. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 04:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
  2. Article hits multiple categories on our mission, but I feel we need to make more love to it first before it's a Gold article. Cortex (pester) 16:52, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Goat[edit]

  1. Cover story nominee. Kevs Ping! 05:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

2012 apocalypse | Result: Status quo[edit]

2012 apocalypse (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to gold[edit]

Status quo[edit]

  1. I know length in of itself shouldn't be a factor of singling good articles, but if you compare this article to several other gold, this just doesn't have the breadth of content. You can, however, argue that neither does Autism omnibus trial, a gold article, but that could be reconsidered as it was put for gold in 2008 and standards have likely changed since then; it's also tagged with an improvement comment on the talk page, which I think should disqualify it for gold, as gold articles should not have any improvement tags. There's also Baraminology which also isn't very long for a gold article. The citations aren't formatted either. Nevertheless I can see this as a cover story. Try comparing this and Wikipedia's variant and see where we fall short or where we do better than Wikipedia. We don't want to be like Wikipedia-lite. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 04:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
  2. It's not particularly relevant these days. Might have been missional ten years ago, but no one is still running around claiming the world will end in 2012. Corner (pester) 18:30, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  3. It's good as is. Bongolian (talk) 18:42, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  4. Agreed with above. I do think it's a big enough phenomenon to warrant being a cover story though (with the caveat that I haven't read the requirements for cover story status yet). ℕoir LeSable (talk) 18:47, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Goat[edit]

  1. Cover story nominee. Kevs Ping! 05:53, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Donald Trump | Result: Promoted to bronze[edit]

Donald Trump (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Make RationalWiki Gold Again[edit]

  1. Easily a gold cover nomination, the only objection was the possibility that the lead (and cover story) could receive extremely significant alterations. Seems to not have happened in the 4 months the doofus has been out of office. Let's do this. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 21:18, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
  2. I agree. He's more missional and relevant than Ken Ham or many other people we cover. Corvee (chat) 23:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
    More relevant, but definitely not more missional. I'd say Ham is more old-school RW. Gangster Computer God (talk) 20:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

I won this election by like, a lot[edit]

  1. I don’t like that there are segments with just a main template and no other text. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 20:46, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  2. I strive to clean this page right the hell up when my final assessments are over in two weeks, and some smaller bits over this period. It's a massive effort, but I need something to do and it will be worth it in the long term. Only at that point can we, or even should, discuss whether this page should be upgraded. Its layout prevents any upgrade discussion, because it's such a clutter. The Curly-haired Sea AnimalHere's the "Coral Kennel" 11 May 2021, 19:11 (UTC)

And this guy came up to me ... big, burly guy, tears in his eyes, and he said, "Sir! Sir, this is Bronze!"[edit]

  1. Read the thing from start to finish. Structurally, it's a mess, the lede is bad, and generally, the article does a poor job of identifying and explaining the key aspects of his rise to power and presidency. There's a minimum of 10 hours' solid work just to unfuck it enough to make it silver, and that's without having to dick around negotiating obvious improvements on the talk page. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 12:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  2. Actually agree. The article is very disorganized. I mean at a glance it looks great because it seems long and has a ton of sources, but the article itself, it needs a lot of improvement. It's surprisingly hard to just *find* or retain information in general, difficult to complete the article and get a sufficient summary of things. As for disorganization: What is the "Stranger things" section? What goes in there? What's the relationship of the information there? Should "Pretending to be religious" go in "Stranger things"? What's the rationale for the location of "Rare moments of sanity" being located right before his awful presidency and even his rhetoric? Should Stranger things really go into his presidency or his background before presidency? Why is the presidency section so far down in the article, and why doesn't it seem very... sufficient? Why does his presidency begin with Russia collusion rather than begin with what he actually did for the U.S., which isn't discussed until after cabinet members, and when it is, it is about "dismantling Obama's legacy" when I feel that doesn't accurately sum up the presidency. The section "Undermining democratic institutions" doesn't even go into detail how Trump is doing it, and it just lists the democracy index. I know maybe it's listed in other parts of the article, but that makes it a fault of article organization. I know a lot of content from this mammoth article was relocated to separate articles, but this also means you shouldn't have nearly empty sections that link to the main page. Those articles should be comprehensive, but the main article still needs a really good summary, not a one-liner. What we can do for starters is the first section of the article should be background information. How Trump was raised, grew up, and then maybe it can go into his business ventures to show his background as a lying scam-artist, which the article kinda does do. But should the business ventures section also talk about how he used to presidency to funnel money into his coffers? I don't see mention of his hotels even though his university and Golf courses have sections. The article "Presidency" is a smattering of information. And after that.... the article is abruptly over. There is a list of nicknames shortly after, but after that, it's just a list. I keep pouring through this page and I keep finishing it as feeling like there's a lot more to be said about Donald Trump. Certainly, a lot of information is relocated to smaller articles, but the article doesn't have a proper flow to it and should alleviate the gaps we created from relocating information.

    But that's a start. tl;dr: Just remember, my issue with the page is that I read and and came away not feeling like I know a lot about Trump and I have no idea about the relationship of his smaller pages. Maybe there's a point earlier that the article being about an ongoing subject shouldn't be an obstacle for gold, but this is May, and there's nothing about how Trump was barred from social media for inciting an insurrection, or I just can't find the information in the section I'm looking in; maybe the section is in the lead section, but I hit Ctrl+F just to find it, and I see, at most, an implication he got banned. I'm also not seeing much information on the post-2020 status including legal investigations into Trump. The subject matter is still hot and volatile. Getting information up to date is already a challenge, but writing it well, organizing it, sourcing it, and re-summarizing Trump is another monster Gooper Blooper. I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert on Trump and his influence and legacy, but the article isn't helping me either, and if it doesn't help me, I doubt it's going to be a worthy gold article. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 21:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  3. It’s all already been said, there’s a case to be made this shouldn’t even be bronze. One other structural oddity I noticed: “Rare moments of sanity” is a section that’s meant to be about his stopped clock moments, yet there’s a subsection of a different section entirely titled “A stopped clock on Iraq?”. Iraq isn’t mentioned in rare moments of sanity at all. Christopher (talk) 21:45, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  4. (EC)This reminds me a lot of our Brexit article. Both are obviously the result of regularly updating a very important rapidly changing subject with obsessive dedication. Both will likely not be fixed because so much has accumulated it takes a herculean effort to read the damn thing, let alone "clean it up." At least we could start fixing the Brexit article because Brexit is, if you will, "finished." I'm not so confident saying that Trump is just yet.-Flandres (talk) 21:48, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  5. Not until he croaks. Bongolian (talk) 07:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  6. Kevs Ping! 07:46, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Goat[edit]

Michele Bachmann | Result: Keep silver (2-6)[edit]

Michele Bachmann (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Promote to bronze[edit]

  1. I don't think this article is good enough to be a cover story. Kevs Ping! 13:57, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
    .... Okay? Tell us why. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 14:41, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  2. Total has-been. I couldn’t even tell you what national office she held off the top of my head. Worth an article but not worth a cover story candidate ranking. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 20:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
    House of Representatives, Minnesota, a major part of the Tea Party shenanigans in its founding days. The name makes one nostalgic for ye old days on the Internet when WND, the Drudge Report, and Free Republic were the depths of right-wing insanity (well, okay, there was Stormfront, but only Nazis went there, and no one liked Nazis). Now apparently a Dean of Pat Robertson U Regent University. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 22:22, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Leave as is[edit]

  1. Please put a constructive reason for this proposal. Thanks. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 20:31, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
    Compare this article with other cover story nominees. There are many similar articles to this, but they are bronze. Kevs Ping! 07:52, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
    From a glance, maybe. But can you please put effort in your criticisms? Just go through why you think this is closer to bronze than others. Is the depth of content inadequate? Are sources poor? Does the article need expansion? Perhaps the article has less "missionality" than like Homeopathy's article, and maybe Bachmann has less relevance than before, but this isn't unique to to Bachmann in our silver-level articles. If qualifications for silver need to be revised, perhaps that's discussion, but I don't see anything about this article that makes it less worthy of silver than, say, Desiree Jennings, Shoo!Tag, IslamicAwakening.com. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 21:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
    Ad hominems. Other silver articles don‘t have them. And yes, it‘s less missional than other cover story nominees. Kevs Ping! 10:51, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
    Ad hominems? What? Don't be dismissive. Is this not true, that you put inadequate effort in your votes, which doesn't cut it when you're dealing with a process that needs good input? You've had people ask you to elaborate your votes several times. You're still not putting any effort in my requests, which are designed to help you to evaluate a page and help you convince others why you think a page should be demoted or promoted. I already provide examples to counter your claims about relevance; you're not supposed to just reiterate your previous argument. Actually address my examples. Actually put in the time to write out a good critique rather than having waste my time trying to guide you and you not listening to me or others' advice on voting or creating these proposals. DuceMoosolini could actually provide something we can work with, please do the same. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 18:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
    I already explained my points, why it should be bronze: Ad hominems, not enough missionality and there are several articles similar to this and they aren‘t silver either. Kevs Ping! 19:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
    Oh, so I misread your points. I think the insults for her are justified. How is she not missional? And what articles are similar to this and aren't silver? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 22:07, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
    I didn‘t say she‘s not missional, I only said she‘s less missional. A few examples: Fred Phelps, Phyllis Schlafly, Sarah Palin. Kevs Ping! 05:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  2. An important part of our history as a wiki.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 21:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  3. It's important to give an RW take to the world on charlatans like this. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 01:11, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  4. Insufficient rationale to promote, and suggestion was made by a user who is notorious for wanting articles deleted for BS reasons. --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee my experiments 01:13, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
    The last Afd for „BS reasons“ was two months ago (RaHoWa). My last two Afds came through. Kevs Ping! 07:50, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  5. -Flandres (talk) 01:23, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  6. The scum also rises. Bongolian (talk) 07:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Goat[edit]

Islam | Result: leave as is[edit]

Islam (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Demote to silver[edit]

  1. Well-written and missional. Kevs Ping! 09:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Status quo[edit]

  1. Not good enough, imo. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 16:29, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
  2. I want more silver articles, but this is more of a historical sort of thing for supporting other articles. Now, Islamophobia is a good topic for silver/gold, as are articles on Islamist terrorism, conspiracy theories regarding Islam, pseudo-scientific arguments regarding Quranic foreknowledge and whatnot. CorSock (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
  3. It's accurate, I guess, but this doesn't really fulfill RW's mission on "Explorations of authoritarianism and fundamentalism" very well. Maybe a couple of edits could get this to silver, but for now, it's fine the way it is.Jeh2ow Damn son! 15:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Goat[edit]

  1. One of the requirements for slivering an article is that it’s potential gold material. I don’t see us having Islam on the front page unless we demoted one or two other major religions at the same time. Christopher (talk) 09:47, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Blazing Saddles | Result: leave as is[edit]

Promote to Bronze[edit]

  1. It's a good movie. It's an in depth article. But is it so missional that it could ever be a cover story?CorSock (talk) 20:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
  2. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 22:30, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
  3. Kevs Ping! 15:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Leave as is[edit]

  1. I supported its original demotion to silver and I support keeping it silver. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 20:21, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
  2. I'm biased. Bongolian (talk) 20:34, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
  3. Deserves its current place.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 18:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  4. Hi!-Flandres (talk) 18:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
  5. It's fine being silver. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 20:36, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Goat only pawn in game of life[edit]

  1. There were two of us who gave a silver badge for this dang thing, so unless you can wrassle up a posse, it should probably stay as is. Bongolian (talk) 19:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
    We'll do the ol' number 6 on it...CorSock (talk) 19:55, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

George W. Bush | Result: no consensus[edit]

Silver[edit]

  1. Corgi (pester) 01:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. Definitely deserves silver. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 01:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. -Flandres (talk) 01:13, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  4. The 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 talk stalk 05:33, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
  5. 𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 19:33, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

As Is[edit]

  1. It meets all other requirements, but I don't see it meeting the "Article topic is directly relevant to and worthy of RW's mission". Let's talk about this once Adolf Hitler has gone gold. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 01:46, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. I'm not in favour of silvering articles on historical figures. He was relevant when he was president but that was 12 years ago. Avida Dollarsher again 16:06, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
    Well, the aftershocks of his tenure still deeply affect us today...-Flandres (talk) 01:34, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
    There's very little of that in the actual article though. Avida Dollarsher again 07:52, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. I don't believe the article is ready for Silver. As Avida Dollars points out, not much of his legacy has been talked about to the correct standard. The Curly-haired Sea AnimalHere's the "Coral Kennel" 10:29, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
  4. Yeah, the article should delve more into the deep and long-lasting negative impacts of his presidency. Bush deserves a gold article, but we really need to do credit to his terribleness. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 07:57, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
  5. Kevs Ping! 08:42, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Goat[edit]

  1. Seems to be a bit controversial. I'm fine with not demoting if there's more than a token objection, even with 2 to 1 in favor. I kinda think we should need more than just a simple majority since, well, mob mentality and all, but we don't really have rules on this so, IDK. Let's see what the Supreme Court saysWikipedia... Corgi (pester) 06:06, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

April 2021[edit]

PETA Result:Demoted[edit]

Silver[edit]

  1. YepCorps (yak) 02:30, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. -Flandres (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. Now that the references are cleaned up. Bongolian (talk) 01:27, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
  4. Sources cleaned up; all non-archived sources currently exist. 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝑒 talk 02:02, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
  5. Kevs Ping! 07:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

As is[edit]

Citations need cleaning up if nothing else. Bongolian (talk) 07:05, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Bongolian I have cleaned up all the bare URLs except this one, which should be replaced because it doesn't really back up the claim it's attached to. I have not examined the references numbered in the 60s and 70s. 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝑒 talk 23:10, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
OK, good work! Bongolian (talk) 01:27, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
  1. Keep it as is. Only needs cleaned-up citations. 2601:199:4181:E00:C104:BDD8:3A6:D02F (talk) 20:58, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Companion goat[edit]

  • Superbowl ads and exploiting women should probably be merged as it's both about sexual objectification. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 00:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

PEGIDA Result: Demoted.[edit]

Silver Cross[edit]

  1. These guys deserve it Corncob (argue) 02:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. -Flandres (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. 𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 17:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Bronze Star[edit]

  1. Kevs Ping! 06:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Order of the Goat[edit]

Manosphere Result: After one month, it's 2 votes for demote and 2 votes against. No consenus.[edit]

Demote to Silver[edit]

  1. I give it my beta-male weak support. Given all the incel murders of late, fairly important. Corvee (yak) 02:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. -Flandres (talk) 01:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Leave As Is[edit]

  1. Kevs Ping! 06:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. Needs more work, in my opinion.The 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 talk stalk 05:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Goat[edit]

Church of Scientology Result: Left as is[edit]

Demote to OT III[edit]

  1. Me Corpse (pester) 00:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. Good, extensive and thoroughly sourced article that's missional to boot. Demote ASAP. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 01:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. -Flandres (talk) 01:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

We need to pay more first[edit]

  1. Citations need cleaning up first. Bongolian (talk) 07:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. As well as the badly formatted citations already mentioned, some sections aren't referenced at all. --Annanoon (talk) 09:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. Kevs Ping! 11:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
  4. It could be silver at some point, but it needs more references in a few places, and many references that are there are a poorly formatted mess. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 14:49, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Goathetan[edit]

Jeb Bush Result: Left as is[edit]

Silver[edit]

  1. Feel free to disagree Cortex (pester) 01:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. Yes. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 01:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. -Flandres (talk) 01:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

As Is[edit]

  1. I don't see how someone so insignificant as Jeb is worthy of silver level. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 01:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. Same reason. Jeb who? Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. ? Kevs Ping! 08:33, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  4. Not really worth it, surely? a minor figure in politics at his peak, he's now a footnote in history. Avida Dollarsher again 15:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  5. The 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 talk stalk 05:34, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Goat[edit]

Holocaust | Result: Demoted[edit]

Holocaust (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs) – (View discussion)

Oops, should have clarified silver[edit]

  1. This is a high quality article on a subject vital to the wiki's mission. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 18:59, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
  2. Agreed 2A02:120B:C3FB:3B40:405E:9B00:E152:34FE (talk) 19:05, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
  3. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 19:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
  4. Plutocow (talk) 19:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
  5. Yes. Bongolian (talk) 19:41, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
  6. Kevs Ping! 19:56, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Status quo[edit]

Goat[edit]

North Korea Result: Demoted[edit]

Silver[edit]

  1. It's why I'm here. Corpse (argue) 02:26, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. -Flandres (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. Cool shit.The 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 talk stalk 05:36, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
  4. I cleaned up the references. I now support demotion. Bongolian (talk) 18:03, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
  5. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 18:36, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

As Is[edit]

Goat[edit]

  1. Needs citation clean up first. I'll give it a read-through. Bongolian (talk) 02:39, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

March 2021[edit]

Tiananmen Square Massacre Result: Demoted[edit]

Demote to Silver[edit]

  1. Could be gold as far as I'm concernedCorinth (yak) 02:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. Yes! Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. -Flandres (talk) 02:35, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  4. Yes to silver. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 14:44, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  5. Yes. Bongolian (talk) 02:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
  6. Kevs Ping! 05:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Leave As Is[edit]

Slaughter a bunch of goats and then deny the whole thing[edit]

Uighur genocide Result: Demoted[edit]

Silver[edit]

  1. I support. The article, not the genocide. Corinth (talk) 00:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. Sure thing. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 01:10, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. Absolutely silver. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 01:31, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  4. -Flandres (talk) 01:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  5. The 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 talk stalk 05:38, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
  6. Kevs Ping! 11:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Leave as is[edit]

Goat[edit]

i feel like im always bitching bout something but this article has vexed me for sometime. china being china is very tight lipped about the whole thing. theres a media black out and all. as such there is little known for certain. we know there is a massive internment in reeducation camps. we know from some leaked documents and from satelite imagery. we know surveillance is insanely pervasive. we know there are prohibitions and restrictions and obstacles to dissuade uighurs from practising their religion or aspects of their cultural. what is known is worrying enough, and i understand what we know is enough for it to be categorised as a genocide.

but this is all we know. the rest is rumour and uncorraborated testimonials. this article regurgitates every rumour as if it was all proven fact, as if it were all uncontested eye witness accounts, and the significance and meanings of this claim or that claim as presented in the article is often not supported by its references or it is grossly misrepresented - so often i'd need to go through line by line to highlight it all, which i just not gonna right now., i just dont wanna. is not helped that its all a little scattershot in its presentation.

i realise some folk here have a tendency to accept every outrageous claim made about china without question just because its china, but as ive already said what is known for certain is worrying enough, and i understand what we know is enough for it to be categorised as genocide. i have no problem recording what rumours emerge from the news black out, or the testimonials even (many of which consist of 'i heard this' or 'i heard that' type accounts of torture - not first hand), but the article does a poor job and relating to the shortage of verified facts actually coming china. its pretty shoddy over all in documenting or recording. its a political tract. AMassiveGay (talk) 08:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Bible Result: Demoted[edit]

Silver[edit]

  1. natch. Corvee (chat) 00:59, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. -Flandres (talk) 01:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. Yes. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 01:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  4. Sure. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 01:41, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  5. Yes. Spud (talk) 04:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
  6. Yes. Bongolian (talk) 04:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
  7. The 𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 talk stalk 05:32, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

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Goat[edit]

Alternative medicine Result: Demoted[edit]

Demote to Silver[edit]

  1. Very missional, half the reason for this wiki. Def needs silver. Correkt (yak) 20:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. -Flandres (talk) 01:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. I think it needs a bit of cleaning up around the edges, and more citations would be nice, but as it is, it deserves silver. The work needed to get it to gold status is worth it. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 01:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  4. Yes Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  5. I have cleaned the page up. I now support demotion. Bongolian (talk) 20:15, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
  6. Demote. --Goatspeed. How's my editingCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee what I'm planning 20:19, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Leave as is[edit]

Goat[edit]

  • It needs some editing. I will decided after going through it. Bongolian (talk) 04:30, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide denial Result: Demoted[edit]

Demote to Silver[edit]

  1. I believe that this is a well sourced article, but more importantly, this article is critical to the wiki.Cork (pester) 20:10, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. I support demotion. Bongolian (talk) 20:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. I concur, this article deserves silver. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 01:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  4. -Flandres (talk) 01:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  5. Yes. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  6. Yes. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 02:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Leave as is[edit]

Goat[edit]

I'll read the whole think in a couple of hours and give my opinion. GeeJayK (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Logical fallacy Result: Demoted[edit]

Demote to Silver[edit]

  1. Because I am never wrong, and I said so, this must be the right choice. Cortez (argue) 01:13, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. Yes. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 01:21, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. -Flandres (talk) 01:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  4. This thing is good enough for Gold as far as I'm concerned. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 01:40, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  5. Bongolian (talk) 01:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  6. Definitely. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Leave As Is[edit]

Goat[edit]

Joe Biden Result: Left As Is[edit]

Demote to Silver[edit]

  1. yup Core (talk) 01:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Leave as is[edit]

  1. We should be less hasty to do this for articles documenting recent events which may need to be constantly updated. Besides, some sections of this still need polish.-Flandres (talk) 01:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. This page documents current events and it will likely change dramatically over the course of the next few years. I think we should wait. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 01:06, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. For the reasons I put on the talk page. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:01, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  4. Nope. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 02:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  5. Bongolian (talk) 03:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Goat[edit]

Homophobia Result: Fabulous/Demoted[edit]

Demote to Silver[edit]

  1. How could you not? Corgi (talk) 01:10, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  2. Yes. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 01:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  3. -Flandres (talk) 01:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  4. Definitely good and missional enough for silver level. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 01:38, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  5. Looks good to me. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 19:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Leave As Is[edit]

Goat[edit]