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If that's the Saloon Bar, then what is this? The bathroom or the back alley? Toast 17:29, 11 January 2009 (EST)

I have decided:it's the back alley. Toast 17:40, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Probably a repositry for piss and vomit. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 17:42, 11 January 2009 (EST)

And for fightin' ? Toast 17:51, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Eggsakly; Toast 17:50, 11 January 2009 (EST)

BTW, Genghis,I like it (the saloon bar). How come we've never had one before? Toast 17:50, 11 January 2009 (EST)

I don't know, but there has been an increasing number of "I don't know where to post this" entries clogging up WIGO:CP which resulted premature archiving of active threads. Also the Main-Page_talk doesn't seem appropriate for things that people just want to comment on but are not site-related. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 18:04, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Are minors allowed in this here saloon? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 17:54, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Of course, but they can only have a sasparilla. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 18:04, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Wha!!?? I wan WHISKEY...! *hic* ...Lynad^Hello? 08:25, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Sidebar

Should we add this to the nav sidebar? Phantom Hoover 16:51, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Yeah, I think that's a good idea, it would give it a chance of actually being used. DogP 17:17, 11 January 2009 (EST)

It is done! Toast 17:35, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps. Please! Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 17:37, 11 January 2009 (EST)

How do we decide which conversations take place in the saloon bar & which ones in the back alley? Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:27, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Conversations about the saloon bar take place in the back alley? Toast 18:30, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Ah, the old days. It reminds me of when CP was the saloon bar, and RW1 was the back alley. By the way, too bad the way the sidebar works is so fucking clumsy, I wanted to add "and the back alley" to the saloon link, but it failed as expected. ħuman 23:47, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Saloon bar

I wouldn't be seen dead in a saloon bar. That's for golfers, tories and similar vermin. Can we call it the snug instead? Totnesmartin 04:42, 12 January 2009 (EST)

The snug's for the old ladies (Ena and Minnie). Also saloon is a reference to US wild west bars. We can't be too UK-centric about our terminology. As for saloon or lounge v. public bars, well most places I go to only have one bar nowadays. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 05:31, 12 January 2009 (EST)

See you here then Martin, in the back alley, next to the dumpster. (with cheese)_{talk to Toast} 05:34, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Great! Mine's a pimm's. </irony> 08:50, 12 January 2009 (EST) Totnesmartin

As far as American Western references go calling it a saloon bar is redundant and seems disfluent. Saloons are more or less bars and vice-versa. Why not the Coven or something as a nod to the Satanists among us? or the Yert for that Goat herder liet-motif? ^{Exasperate me!}Sheesh!_{Not the most impressive contributor here} 14:41, 12 January 2009 (EST)

I'm just striking a balance. The posher pubs in the UK have saloon or lounge bars in contrastto public bars or tap-rooms where there's sawdust on the floor and they play darts or dominoes. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 18:40, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Well, a "saloon" is also a type of car... so that dump on the other side of that door is the bar in the car... Speaking of that stinky dump, can someone sneak in on another nachos raid? We're running low out here. ħuman 19:03, 12 January 2009 (EST)

We could make it a strip joint... but honestly, I don't think I can fit into my old lingerie anymore... Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 19:34, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Chalkboard

I like the chalkboard, very pub-like. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 07:56, 13 January 2009 (EST)

Cheers. Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 08:12, 13 January 2009 (EST)

I've put in a pub sign style header as well now. + A bunch of smileys, which can be removed if people find them too irritating. Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 12:51, 13 January 2009 (EST)

The only problem I've got with this now is adding new sections. Can any JS whizzes add a new section button? Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 13:27, 13 January 2009 (EST)

Copy the link at the "+" sign here, edit it, and paste it at the top. I'll do it. ħuman 13:53, 13 January 2009 (EST)

Yeah, I love it too. But it can only fit so much on before it becomes unusable so perhaps having three or four that are randomly selected? And of course, an editor to trim off spam and old notices, there's nothing worse than a massively out-of-date noticeboard. ArmondikoV^moral 15:02, 13 January 2009 (EST)

(undent) I added __NEWSECTIONLINK__ to the page which adds the plus button like on talk pages. -- Nx ^talk 08:23, 14 January 2009 (EST)

this page's name

Do we have to call it that? I squirm every time I read it. fröhlich ^{"gay" and "happy"} 08:36, 14 January 2009 (EST)

No, change it back to your version. I only changed it for a joke & was expecting it to be reverted straight away. Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 08:59, 14 January 2009 (EST)

Done. (& it wasn't my version.) fröhlich ^{"gay" and "happy"} 09:11, 14 January 2009 (EST)

Arkivin

When it eventually becomes necessary to archive the page I suggest calling them the Barchives. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 11:43, 14 January 2009 (EST)

ha! made me laugh. :D Refugee^{talk page} 21:48, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Pub Games

I like the addition of background piano music. All it needs now is some kind of add on that will let us play poker in there. Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:20, 15 January 2009 (EST)

What about chess, for us more 'civilized' types? :-) --"ConservapediaUndergroundInductor^{is Fall Sideways} 18:36, 15 January 2009 (EST)

I like it when my picture of a glass of Macallan turns up... ħuman 19:03, 15 January 2009 (EST)

Pick your bar game and maybe I will see what I can do. 216.221.87.112 13:17, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Pool (8 ball) and darts. The classics. ħuman 14:04, 16 January 2009 (EST)

I don't think it's wise to mix pointy things, sticks, and angry people... : ) Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 14:56, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Dominoes, cribbage & shove-ha'penny. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 15:02, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Am I the only one who likes bridge? Perfect pub card game, really. The dummy, who sits out each hand, is free to get the next round without delaying play. DickTurpis 15:18, 16 January 2009 (EST)

We can always play Conservopoly (add <conservopoly /> to a page), or Mornington Crescent. Phantom Hoover 15:27, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Was an actual playable version of Conservopoly actually made? DickTurpis 16:39, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Trent made a version where you can roll and buy properties, then gave up. Phantom Hoover 17:34, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Pocket billiards, sofa rugby or hide the sausage?  Lily ^{Ta, wack!} 15:52, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Er, "sofa rugby"? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 15:55, 16 January 2009 (EST)

It's a one-a-side game. :) -- Генгис{{User:Genghis

Khant/sigtalk}} 17:13, 16 January 2009 (EST) We could use java and adobe flash to make a game216.118.68.193 23:33, 27 January 2009 (EST)

One person is is the Hooker and other is the Blindside Flanker. Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 17:19, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Just to elucidate, it is normally a mixed gender game. Surprisingly the term didn't turn up much in Google until I changed to google.co.uk. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 17:23, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Heh, having no pe-defined time limit it can last for hours. --  Lily ^{Ta, wack!} 17:28, 16 January 2009 (EST)

hehehe ħuman 19:55, 16 January 2009 (EST)

But only if you think about Margaret Thatcher. Corry^{Those are balls.} 19:57, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Well, that just about killed it. It always does! Corry^{Those are balls.} 23:34, 16 January 2009 (EST)

I prefer poker and blackjack. No one better to play with than the drunks in bars--Nate River 00:46, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Bra top

I've moved the bra top bar top to a template to help with archiving/editing of the page. There's a shortcut to the template at the top of this page if you need to edit it. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 07:03, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Where have all the winos gone?

No-one comes out here into the back alley any more. The rats are running wild & the empties haven't been cleared up for days.  ^(Toast) _{and marmalade} 09:33, 2 February 2009 (EST)

User:Ttony21/sig2 19:12, 8 February 2009 (EST)

They must have installed a big telly in the front lounge. You can't hear yourself think in there. DogP 19:17, 8 February 2009 (EST)

• Javascap is sitting chugging a pint of beer on a broken pile of wooden crates*

You do get a better class of person out in the back alley - the serious drinkers. Silver Sloth 19:59, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Cheersh... now where the %*#& are my sober pills... Here, take this (half drinken) can. ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ secret trainer of telephones!

Urp. Ice (heresy!). Scotch. Water. Urp. Why does my back hurt? Why does this place smell bad still? Urp. Ice. Scotch. Water. Ah, that's better. ħuman 22:21, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Cheersh huarmans... Drinkin to health at taverns and lads... or sumpin like that. ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ secret trainer of telephones!

I am drinking cheap hooch from my boots and shooting at rats. Hey! Whatchoo looking at buddy? Ace McWicked^Revolt 22:29, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Who slammd teh dumster lid?! Thoes lefotvers weer still warm! ħuman 22:37, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Whisha one ya bin stealing me thoughts? Tell me, I'll show you all! Ace McWicked^Revolt

Yerh thoughsts belongs to me!! ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ secret trainer of telephones!

Cheersh Scavpaja, pleex dont kik me. Haf sum scotch... ħuman 22:43, 8 February 2009 (EST)

I am going to join this intoxication ceremony. Here Human, another scotch for you, and Javascap... I dunno, a beer? Aimless Blaster 22:46, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Beersh? Not jush beer... ish no good bersh!! ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ secret trainer of telephones!

• hic* I has always liked you Aimless Blaster, you had theucihwp crwegger egrg and we was like you and mee against the world and vfheruiir ferfg $5?! Get otta here *hic* Ace McWicked^Revolt 22:55, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Aw yor kweer for him und hiz bear Ace, oh, mor sctoch thankz mutch. Let's set fiar to teh dumster. ħuman 23:16, 8 February 2009 (EST)

I lorve to playz with fire. Ace McWicked^Revolt 23:20, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Fire gush! Fire gush! Hersh a mash! ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ secret trainer of telephones!

Bern babie birn! Heet up teh leftovuz! Hey, what's them sirenes fur? ħuman 23:32, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Ah shewt! Ish the chopper! Ish choppers! Interh the sahlun! ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ secret trainer of telephones!

Mmmmmmm but thees natchos ar gewd teh secund time 'round! Hey, is that yore half-cheezburger? I kan haz..?.... ħuman 23:55, 8 February 2009 (EST)

No, but you can has a hotdog. This is mah cheezburger. Aimless Blaster 23:59, 8 February 2009 (EST)

• snore* Ace McWicked^Revolt 03:39, 9 February 2009 (EST)

OH, look, a back alley. Man was that door hard to find. (or, you know, I just never read anything).--En attendant Godot_{"Such is life."} 14:08, 18 February 2009 (EST)

hrughhrughhrugh hrugh hrugh hrugh! ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ secret trainer of telephones!

hrughwinehrugh hrughchocolatehrugh hrughwinehrughchocolate...

Smilies

I'm going to change two of the smilies on the bartop, just to add some variety.--Ipatrol 11:45, 21 February 2009 (EST)

Pssssst...

<whisper>Anyone back here?</whisper> User:Ttony21/sig2 23:01, 6 March 2009 (EST)

no....sssh. DogP 23:03, 6 March 2009 (EST)

EC Only Me/Mei. Bored much? Mei is bored. User:Mei 23:04, 6 March 2009 (EST)

I woulda brought some beer for the alcies and winos, but being underage and a non drinker, all I got is diet coke. But it's got caffeine, I'm sure after a few liters of the stuff you might feel a buzz. User:Ttony21/sig2 23:06, 6 March 2009 (EST)

S'ok, I brung a jug of Highland... wait, you're a minor...? Lemme distract you with this amusement. Hic. ħuman 23:28, 6 March 2009 (EST)

Oooooo super tiny art. Still can't beat that guy who put the entire bible on a credit card. User:Ttony21/sig2 23:35, 6 March 2009 (EST)

Whathe fuck d'yahuh say about my mother? Ace McWicked^Revolt 01:39, 7 March 2009 (EST)

Wha? fuckin bourggghhh whafucksitmatter mmmmnnn jusfuckin' whatever & the mmmhmm back alley & hahaha yeah ffff sssshhh with Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 09:38, 7 March 2009 (EST)

Submitted with tongue in cheek, please!

Who was the hardest bastard in here till I walked in?? Fox 08:16, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

me :) ħuman 20:44, 8 March 2009 (EDT) (hic!)

/points at Human... yup, it's him. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 04:46, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

Hey-you lookin' at my girlfriend? No? Why not? Is there something wrong with her? Hello Face, meet Knee. DogP 16:59, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

Me?

Oh dear, I've been here an hour and a half, written an article, made a few edits, but nobody's said hello! What has happened to your honor, RatWiki? Has it all gone downhill since I left? I leave you people alone for a minute and look what's happened, everything's fallen apart. Robespierre 00:38, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

"Robespierre", suicide is so prevalent among abortionists that no further talk-page debates about it are necessary or will be tolerated. I reread the beginning of your rant at the top of this section and you seem to believe that the Romans had the concept of "truth", so there's a 95% chance you're not here to think and learn. Your atheistic worldview has led you to deny that prayer in school helps resist autism. It's simple logic: Socrates was ordered to die, and it wasn't just for his beliefs. His liberal students terrorized Athens. You might also claim the National Enquirer doesn't have gossip! Actually, I suppose its employees might claim that. Help yourself by opening your mind, before it's too late.--aschlafly 18:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Gentlemen! I will pasteurize your precious Goatspeed, enabling me to destroy evolutionism on the internet. You should all be annihilating over Operation Suzuki, which will likely give Conservapedia a top result on a certain search engine starting with G.

Gentlemen at an atheist website,

It is time for you to realize that your comments in regards to the death of evolutionism on the internet are slightly tedious. As far as evolution and the Gay Agenda, I would also point out that all cultures have been religous. In fact, by the time the secret liberal shadow governent is destroyed, it is likely Liberals will have lost all vestiges of credibility. :) :) :)

Rest assured, Operation Galvanized Standpipes is gathering steam!!! Now that Wikipedia has an article on "desecularization", the "Growth of religion" and "Postsecularism", isn't it time to fly the flag of surrender and shut down this wiki? Wikipedia was founded by an atheist and agnostic. Sincerely,

Conservative

Rant.

Anonymous user,

That is an interesting concept, but it has a (rather big) hole. You claim incompetent staplers are abandoning around contrabands, but ignore the possibility that goats can do the same thing. Your argument has fallen apart, in a dramatic way. Interesting thought, though. ĵ₳¥ášÇ♠ʘ yes, JAVASCAP

I was mildy worried when i randomly saw my name at the bottom of this page, when i have been almost totally inactive for, what, 6 months? lol

Damnit, spanish keyboards don't have tildes... Oh there's a button at the bottom. Fancy. xD ...Dan^{rant at me} 14:15, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

There's AltGr+4, isn't there? Flare^Talk 18:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Umm...wait. What did I say again? It keeps on changing! -- CodyH 23:02, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

OOOOooookay... I almost never check this page, so when I was looking at this and saw my name at the begining of this section, it was a definate WTF. I was sitting there trying to figure out what in the hell did I say to generate such giberish. Then I went to reply and saw the quote generator... that thing is evil in a place like this. So, damn you for short circuiting my righteous ranting reply and keep up the good work. Ravenhull (talk) 10:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

2 days now....

.....So no sleep. Nope none. Fuck the shadow people are popping in and out of my vision and the orange tablet I swallowed about an hour ago has caused all the blood to flee my frontal lobe. I am trying desperatly to make sense of my surroundings yet, as soon as I have a grasp on reality, things fall away from me and I find myself talking incoherently to the empty beer bottle staring at me in the face. I am sitting in my little home office listening to my girlfriend speak, at the other end of the house, to her ex-boyfriend. She is explaing, in the nicest possible way, that last night inbetween dinner and the F1 I propped myself on one one knee and flung a ring at her. Yes indeed, I did the honourable thing. jesus fuck, my blood is thinning. My typing is erratic. I feel the ebbs and flows of a certain brain embolism running from my tail bone up into my head. My time is short. Flee, run, stay, fuck and love. These are all the certaintys of life. Ace McWicked^{bitch and moan} 11:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I second you on the 2 days thing (bloody deadlines) and many congratulations on the ball and chain engagement. Does this mean that drinks are on you? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 11:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

shadow people, nothing. I were 'tacked by Poltergeists, my "undergound city of the Dead" tour guide in Edinburgh said. (WFG)

Oh, you went there. Time bastard Phantom! 21:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me

Is this the right way to the co-op? Totnesmartin 10:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Turn left at the lights I believe. Ace McWicked^{The Liquid Room} 10:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

And you wandered into the wrong alley buddy. Gimmie ya wallet. Ace McWicked^{The Liquid Room} 10:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I need to never watch Fox news again

I just saw a moment on fox, about Ram Emanuel, It was a lead in for a segment about who will replace him as the "#1 potty mouth on capitol hill" I shit you not.^{— Unsigned, by: Opcn / talk / contribs}

That title is valid without any further comment, honestly. --Kels 18:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Can I piss here?

Too late. Yorick 05:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, gross. That smells terrible. You should've pissed here. JS Leitch 05:40, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, that was my fucking leg you fuckwad. Try to fucking piss on the restaurant across the alleys bums next time, you fucking lazy pissing creep! Shit, now my leg is wet, and it wasn't even my fault. ħuman 05:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe that that was my pee stream that your leg interrupted. It had the most delightful arc until your ambulatory appendage saw fit to drench itself. Yorick 08:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Have some liquid soap to wash it off. --127․0․0․1 10:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

New Bar!

Apparently everyone has moved to talk over to my talk page, so if your wondering where everyone is, it is here [Opal's Lounge[1]]OpalHonors 21:39, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Random

Is this the place to start a random discussion? Am I in the right place? Alright that's a rhetorical question. I've been doing that a lot lately, gosh.

I was wondering if there could be debate about anything else besides the mayoral election in my life. No staff in my school never thought of doing a debate on something like abortion or religion. A religious debate would be quite a feisty and loud one but I can just so imagine that. My teacher would have his eyes wide when he will see the forceful and violent sides of my classmates.

Gosh. I wonder about the most retarded things sometimes. Don't find me please...^{— Unsigned, by: Fairoozhaider / talk / contribs}

You can have random discussions in the Saloon bar, if you want. This is the back allay. - π 22:51, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Breaking glass

I love the sound of it. ħuman 05:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, the dulcet tones of Hazel O'Connor. Totnesmartin 18:33, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Auto-tune whilst drunk

You gotta Belieeeeeve it! Belieeeeeeve it! -- CodyH 13:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

what a night

mmnnghhrrrr... my head... waitaminute... whu... Hey! This isn't BlightyNet! where am I? And where are my trousers? Totnesmartin 09:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll get those right back to you after I've washed them... sorry again about that. -Redback^{OMG, someone get the Raid!} 09:58, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

2010

The first down and out of 2010... Ahhhhhh, shit, I fell asleep in a puddle of my own puke. SJ ^Debaser 18:14, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Find the bypass...

Find the bypass. Find the bypass. Find the bypass.

It's what a scout lives for: to find the bypass.

Obstacle on the route? Find the bypass.

Bridge that can be destroyed? Find the bypass.

There's a mountain in your way? Find the bypass.

It's in a scout's blood to find the motherfuckin' bypass, no matter what. This applies to life as well as topography. Physical and metaphysical. Real and surreal. Tangible and intangible. Find the fuckin' bypass or die tryin'.

You know what doesn't have a bypass?

The Grand Canyon. Niagara Falls. The Atlantic motherfuckin' Ocean. My wife when she wants something.

Those are the things that don't have bypasses.

Really, they do though. You just have to go a hell of a long way off of the main route to find them.

So find the fuckin' bypass, already. Time's wastin'. The Foxhole Atheist (talk) 04:13, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

i raped human

and she loved it!Waronstupidity (talk) 09:20, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I'll attest to that. Waron's stickly prickly was the best I ever had. And it wasn't rape, since I seduced Waron. Obviously. ħuman 09:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

of course you loved it! everyone love my little pickle! Waronstupidity (talk) 09:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

emphasis on "little", hence why it was so easy to engorge in my ass. ħuman 09:38, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

im glad you loved it now piss off.Waronstupidity (talk) 09:39, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say I even enjoyed it, I just said it was easy to accommodate. Hell, you came long before I did, luser. What, no reacharound? No finding what I like as you poled me? Lousy lover, now go rub yourself. ħuman 09:42, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

haha, do you suffer from Narcissism disorder?Waronstupidity (talk) 09:48, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I have daffodils, if that's what you mean. They're very pretty this time of year. ħuman 10:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

WHARRGARBL

WHARRGARBL - WHARRGARBL (wharrgarbl) 23:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Your new sig is definitely an improvement... ħuman 04:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Are there any tits back here?

Public fucking? Prostitutes? Blow jobs? I mean, other than Human seducing Waron. That was fun but I need more. Senator Harrison (talk) 20:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Stupid. You don't look for tits in the back. --Kels (talk) 20:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's why they call the middle bit of a chick the "waste"... 'cos they could have put another pair of tits there. And senator, you do know it's $1 a drink night at the bondage clubs today? --PsyGremlinParlez! 21:11, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I've been using the internets for a while now, and only today someone informed me that there are breasts on the internet somewhere. Can anyone confirm? Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 22:05, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I once saw a vagina on the internet. Ace^{Liquid Room} 22:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

A what? Is that the thing you put flowers in? Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 22:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed.--The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 22:20, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

A blonde and a brunette are out shopping when the brunette spots her boyfriend buying roses. "Oh crap" she says to the blonde "he's buying flowers, now I'm going to end up on my back with my legs in the air all night!" The blonde replies "well why don't you buy a vase then?" Well, obviously that would be funnier if the last two posts weren't the punchline. ^moral 22:21, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Flowers? I thought a vagina was a type of kosher vegetable. Ace^{Liquid Room} 22:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Was it Terry Koeckritz? - David Gerard (talk) 22:53, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

New header and the bar

Where is the bars new header? - π 22:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

We refrained from updating the bar because breaking changing WIGO:CP is HCM-tastic enough in its own right. -- Nx / talk 23:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

It is just as I was clicking along I got stuck at the saloon bar. - π 23:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Can you put the buttons inside the bartop template? There's already so much shit at the top of the bar, although bartop is almost information-free... ħuman 01:21, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

The garish and sucky design for the bar can be found here. Although I have to say, all pubs have to, at some point, close for refurbishment and come back as trendy wine bars. ^moral 00:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

PibotHidden

I know there's a lot of clutter at the top of the page, but the archive search was actually really useful. E.g. if you're looking for a website or external article that you know was posted in SB sometime, which could be a good citation in one of our articles. Can we have it back? If we want to clear some room, maybe take some of the filler out of the bartop (jukebox, drinkquote, etc. - I think the novelty has worn off on this stuff). Wéáśéĺóíď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 17:36, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've unhidden the Pibot search again. Wéáśéĺóíď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 23:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

You can use {{Talkpage/SearchArchives}} if you want the search box. -- Nx / talk 23:52, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

The search bar is here above the archives. - π 01:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, but the link to the barchives isn't very prominent. I think it would still be useful to have the search box on the SB page. More useful than random song lyrics & such ilk. I'm raising some clean-up suggestions at bartop talk page. Wéáśéĺóíď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 09:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. ħuman 09:37, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Does Rationalwiki endorse alcoholism?

All these pictures at the top of the page have something to do with drinking alcohol! --Idiot number 59 (talk) 20:17, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

My word, so they do! Strange! 20:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

The life blood of this wiki is 180 proof. tmtoulouse 20:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

For some, it is 200 proof. --The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 20:37, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Do aviation fans endorse air accidents? Sen (talk) 16:34, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Alcohol in a bar, whatever next?  Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 18:16, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

In English pubs, the saloon bar is normally the one where the social climbers hang out. The public bar is where it's at. Ajkgordon (talk) 19:30, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Did someone say alcohol? Ace^{Liquid Room} 21:35, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, idiot #59 is made of pure alcohol. Grind him up and eat him oh acey one. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 22:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

The Man has endorsed alcohol and cigarettes; I suspect these are only some results. ~ Lumenaid - ("backup" chattery) 07:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Cigarettes: Noam Chomsky claims cigarettes are the most killing "drug" that is exported from one country to another IIRC. When "we" correct the economics of the "weaker sovereign states", part of the package includes shitloads of cheap junk food, cigarettes, etc. Heart disease is the third leading cause of death in developing countries. ~ Lumenaid - ("backup" chattery) 07:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Alcohol causes cancer. In moderation, alcohol can counteract some of the diseases you get from eating the usual animal fat. Other medications can do all these things as well as the short-term effects, with less undesirable side effects. Especially when taxes and health insurance are considered, the cost may be less. ~ Lumenaid - ("backup" chattery) 07:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think RW attracts much of the 40+, post-menopausal demographic. ^moral 07:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I fink 90% of us fit that prophile... ħuman 09:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Can't you really replace those pictures of drunken yellow men with something more suitable? Teddy-bears? --Idiot number 59 (talk) 17:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah, much better now. --Idiot number 59 (talk) 17:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

the 8 things people 'know' about the election that are false

http://www.truth-out.org/eight-false-things-public-knows-prior-election-day64486

Have you guys seen this? i read some of the Cited information, try nitpicking it and see if any of it's true? so far i knew that Bush requested the Bank Bailout that republicans Seeve over, but this stuff would kill any Republican argument if they knew it was true...HKJGN (talk) 09:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I saw it a couple of days ago. It goes to show how well-oiled the Republican lie machine really is. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 09:21, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, fuggoff all of you, and the donkeys you rode in on. Where's my can opener? ħuman 09:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Why is this posted here?  Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 09:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

The Pope's door was full. ħuman 09:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Wait, why was my link posted, or why was human making a rant on anti-liberalism? :3HKJGN (talk) 09:50, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Whose foot did I just pee on? Sorry, but that was good pee... what a waste... ħuman 09:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm confused...why is there the question 'why is this posted here?'HKJGN (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

This is the Back Alley, where we pee on the dumpster. You might have meant to urinate on the page itself, the Saloon Bar. ħuman 10:22, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Ranting in the alley with a bottle of ale and a vicious shoulder-riding chip

All god damn pissy, only half drunk but not enough to take me over the threashold. Sun burnt, throat roughed red from cigarettes, pills and wine, hungry and this fucking stupid wireless router. So the wireless breaks down. Try all the usual stuff and nothing happens. I turn everything off and go away for the weekend. Come back, still fucked. Try the Playstation which still connects to my wireless so the problem isn't the signal. Try everything, nothing works. Unplug wireless router in rage, throw cables across the room and plug into my normal router. Still won't connect. Fly into bigger rage, go to shop and buy beer. Come home and try everything again. Get enraged, kick shit and smoke. Uninstall wireless and associated software and try reinstall, get halfway through installation before I get an error. Reset wireless router to factory settings, same problem. Drink beer, throw an empty bottle at a bird and consider moving to Siberia. Connect computer via ethernet cable to wireless, wireless to router, router to wall socket and internet starts working. Realise the only way I can connect is by running through the wirless with a series of cables but can't actually connect directly from my PC to Cable Internet. Only works through the wireless, settings all fucked up, beer all over the floor yet curiously the PS3 still connects despite restoring all the settings and not sure if the signal is password protected. Computer still tells me no signal in range while surfing the net on the PS3. Fiancee sober and Not Fun. Fucking hell. Ace^{word up} 06:37, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like my average Thursday. Blue (is useful) 15:46, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello, officer? Yes, there is a passed out New Zealander outside my bar. Yes. Yes. No, not as far as I know. Routers, of all things. Yes. 20 minutes? Thanks. ^{An iron, yet caring fist} 15:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Ew

Something smells bad in here. Do you guys ever run a fire hose over this place? Emerald (talk) 04:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

NO! Colbert|Fan^Newbie-admin 17:51, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Five days late

but happy second birthday, saloon bar! Real first name and last initial (talk) 19:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Only place my gibberish is welcome right now despite by best efforts.

So fuckwers can go fuxk themsxelves because I am going to tyoe as if I was speakinjg which meanbs there is no opportunity to recomense myself, no chgance of rededit.......shit nman, this is true gonze, no editor, nor way tio go tback - mo reason too. lets jkust see what cpomea out m- iot has been a long week of drinking drugs anf my own personal mistress. Hell I have been married fr 5 days and my ,istress has been hagning around fpour 5 dayus - hell. I ashoulsd feel terribly guilty but fuck I almost feel as I am desrving. Just what the fuck I dont know but I do feel as if my hell is waitnuing. mI know tnat i will cast in tpo the pput of flME. This is why U post here and not in the saloon bar.........My sins are grave and continuous...mercy is far and forgiveness...never. Look ibto her eyes....I'll fuck it but she int my wife. He3ll, I know itr woriong but sem,enn is strong and over tAkes my notmal rational way pf thinking about thuinhbs. Heh....we'll see wht hppems/. heh! (P.S. Typed all this in one single burst over a 20 sec period so excuse the typos.) Ace McAwesome 09:31, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Erm... Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 09:36, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I just smoked pot from a potato...what have YOU done today? Ace McAwesome 09:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Pfft. You haven't lived until you've injected heroin through a banana. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 10:13, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm guessing Ace is staking an early claim for next year's RWW Editing under the Influence award. --Ψ GremlinSpeak! 10:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

OK now, all is well. Was just jabbering in the free form, free association sense. Not editong myself nor correnting. JKust seeeng what would come out. Like so.;..;it is fun to d/. You knolw whjat you wnats tposay then just type t as fasy as you can a nd mot vorre yourte;f/ Easy peasy. Ace McAwesome 10:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

You've been cheating on your wife every day since you got married? Weak, dude.--^talk 11:08, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that was the bit that confused me more than the spelling and grammar. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 11:23, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Dont be fucking stupid. I'd never cheat on my fucking wife. What kind of person do you take me for? I love my wife. But I do enjoy......writing. Ace McAwesome 11:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Just wait until she tries to change you, as she most surely will, then we'll see what kind of person you are. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 11:39, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Gimme Whisky or Gimme Death

Just spent ten hours down the pub with my best mate - a guy I hardly see any more since I'm in London and he's in Edinburgh. SO much better to meet a proper drinker than all the fucking London pussies who think a "night out" starts at 7pm and ends at 11.

A dive bar is just what I need for a nightcap. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 23:51, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I was thinking

Maybe all the single digit archive should be moved to 01, 02, 03... to keep the running order intact since the software will simply put say, archive 2 at the head of the twenties?

The archive templates don't have that problem afaik. -- Nx / talk 21:22, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh No

I created the first archive for this page. Leninist123 (talk) 17:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

A talk page... has a talk page. This place is screwed up. The unbusinesslike^{man of business} 17:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

No, this is a talk page for a project page that just happens to be used for talk. This is a talk page for a talk page! Real first name and last initial^{Talk, talk, talk skim my contributions} 21:21, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Is there really any point to archiving a single, brief, and admittedly odd, discussion?--User:Brxbrx/sig 21:25, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

that's not an archive, it was concurrent with the debate and its talk page. Real first name and last initial^{Talk, talk, talk skim my contributions} 21:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I mean here--User:Brxbrx/sig 21:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

No you did not create the first archive. First archive is here: RationalWiki talk:Saloon bar/Archive1. Everything appears to have been kicked out of whack when Mindless Cheerleader moved [RationalWiki talk:Saloon bar] to some nonsense location & RNS moved it to [RationalWiki talk:Saloon Bar]. What a bunch of fuckin morons. Wēāŝēīōīď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

HAHA YOU DIDNT CREAT THE FIRST ARCHIVE AND U THOUGHT U DID DANG MIGHT AS WELL GO CRY YOURSELF TO SLEEP NOWISwagHard (talk) 05:38, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

THE BAR HAS BEEN GOATSE'D AGAIN

....can't see how in the history. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 20:04, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

So what's it gonna take to turn off IP edit now? -- Seth Peck (talk) 20:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

That's just a band-aid...what we need to do is LOCK THE FUCKING DATABASE. Occasionaluse (talk) 20:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

NITE MOAD. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 20:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Guide to the Book of Mormon

Hello,

I'm new to RatWiki membership (though I've browsed for a while), and I consider myself an ex-Mormon (I'm currently being raised Mormon and still have to go to church and all of its activities, etc.). Since we have a guide to the Bible, I thought it would be fun to make a guide to the Book of Mormon as well. What do you guys think? ^{— Unsigned, by: TheIrrationalShark / talk / contribs}

Sure, if you're happy to take the lead on it, since most of us won't know as much about it as you. Щєазєюіδ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 06:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm currently working on it. It may take a while, though.

WHO CARES IF YOUR WORKING ON IT ISwagHard (talk) 05:39, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

what REALLY happened to the gold plates ? what powers does the magic underwear give you ? is it true that you never take off the undies while overseas and do they have a flap ? answer those (if they are not secrets) and the angel Moroni will bless you. Hamster (talk) 03:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I'd offer to help, but I haven't read it in >13 years. Look forward to reading it though.--Barryjon (talk) 13:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Uuuurgh

UUUUrgh!

(retch)

BBLAARRGHHHGGHHH

Sophie^Wilder 20:12, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

*Fetches mop* What did you drink? Humorless fascist^sociopath 20:15, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

That stuff they're trying to find a name for in there. Sophie^Wilder 20:33, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Tsk tsk. Humorless fascist^sociopath 20:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I can see an entire fetish built around this!--P3A58NT86 22:24, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

34. Corry (talk) 06:51, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

I coughed hard. It make me feel like I needed to throw up. Are you OK, Sophie? ħuman 05:58, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

An important message

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v2UGsb4-_c --TechCheese^protest 01:37, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Bestiality

Any fellow heathens partake in acts of depravity lately? I had an extra cup of coffee this morning. Wasn't hard to fight any of the zoophilia urges inherent in godlessness. Successful day.^{— Unsigned, by: some tosser or other / talk / contribs}

Oh dear, this one's not even trying. To be a successful troll you need to needle us, not make blunderingly ridiculous claims. Go back to the start; think abut what you're trying to achieve. What's your aim?Sophie^Wilder 13:57, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

lulz. And deserved doom shall be unto you (talk) 13:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Suicide Choir

"Sometimes I feel,

Long ago, life took the last breath from me.

Life itself, the grand enemy.

The white bride of wretched death,

Did guide me through gardens grey.

The fruit of which, would only grow to rot away.

Amidst these vast gardens,

Even doth the sun itself,

Seem so pallid.

Seven statues of saddened stance,

Perhaps the craft of a man still sadder.

Fallen leaves of a thrice dead oak,

A morbid portrayal, of a once grand majesty.

The once glorious moon,

Its pallor so unhallowed.

Kneel before,

The Suicide Choir.

Be judged by your,

Suicidal desire.

What would one tear filled glimpse stand to reveal?

Upon his grey green throne,

Stained with the horror,

of a thousand bloodied suicides.

Sate the Suicide Choir."

MĖSSIÅH ØF DØØM ^{Clam down dere, matey!!1} 13:38, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Happy stuff. Trapped inside this octavarium 07:28, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Is this site biased?

I've seen people accuse the site of being biased and I've actually seen the site itself admit it in this article:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Atheism_Plus#Dissenting_views ^{— Unsigned, by: TemplarJLS / talk / contribs}

Yes it is: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RW:SPOV#RationalWiki_is_not_neutral_point_of_view Nullahnung (talk) 09:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Um, like… did the formatting fuck up or something? Or are you a pretty cool music person as well? MĖSSIÅH ØF DØØM ^{Reaching out to embrace the random} 11:16, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I figured the back alley could use a little curating, so I fixed Templar's segmenting of MoD's thingymaboop. For those wondering, part of the topic right above this one got merged into this topic, and Templar tried to fix it but only put the last two lines back in the right place, leaving the YouTube link hanging out at the end of Templar's message. Narky Sawtooth (BoN is paranoid!) 11:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Cosmetic Surgery and Health Care

In places that have universal health care (not the US of A), should certain cosmetic surgery procedures such as liposuction be included under insurance plans for everyone (over 18)? ^{— Unsigned, by: 66.87.120.169 / talk / contribs} 19:25, 25 May 2015‎ (UTC)

Yep

That orange juice was spiked.

That orange juice was spiked.

Narky Sawtooth (BoN is paranoid!) 13:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

AND YOU LEFT NONE? ArcticVixen (talk) 10:49, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Super top secret pictures from Lord Jerboa's phone leaked sexy nudes yes

I'd tell you to keep the back alley classy but apparently it never has been so... 104.5.9.13 (talk) 08:08, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I think this is where

we go to be

high.

Narky Sawtooth (BoN is paranoid!) 08:13, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Who thinks I'm abusing my HTML style privileges?

I'M

COMING

UP

THESE

STAIRS

TO

KICK

YOUR

ASS

I... I...

With Comic Sans. Narky Sawtooth (BoN is paranoid!) 22:09, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

AND

FALLING

RIGHT

BACK

DOWN

...

WITHOUT

WalkerWalkerWalker 04:21, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, can I use---copy this onto my userpage? It looks so cool and want to do it but I don't have a ton of time right now. Zexcoiler Kingbolt (talk) 05:35, 29 September 2015 (UTC)Zexcoiler Kingbolt

Bar top template mess

For some reason I can't access any of the top of the page tabs on the main saloon bar page. I think it has something to do with the banner template. Or perhaps some bullshit because I refuse to use the vector skin.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 12:55, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah it's definitely some garbage to do with mono book and I AM NOT SWITCHING TO VECTOR.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 12:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Solution to that.--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 12:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be useful to apply that padding to the template as well?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:52, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it caused by a template though?--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 00:55, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

OH FUCK, now the Saloon Bar talk page button bar looks weird!!--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:59, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Well why else is the padding issue only on this page?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:34, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Might I suggest... using Vector? WalkerWalkerWalker 11:50, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

No '0' edit first section link. Queex_{chthonic murmurings} 12:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Hang on, I bet I can make that happen... WalkerWalkerWalker 12:07, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Yah. WalkerWalkerWalker 13:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

gurgle

blurp
MaillardFillmore (talk) 02:59, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Notice anything different?

yah, me neither. MaillardFillmore (talk) 22:06, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

What are you doing?

I have to ask, what are you all doing here? You've started a site called "RationalWiki", and dressed it up to look like a reliable source for information, but none of you seem to be the least bit interested in verifying that the information actually is reliable, or in justifying why anyone else should believe a word of it. Some of you are not only not interested, but, when asked, openly contemptuous and hostile.

So, what are you doing? If it's not to build a reliable information source, then why are you here? Is it to advocate your own political position? I don't understand how you can pretend that this site has anything to do with rationalism, when one of you can write, unchallenged, "[P]olitical leftism is correct, while rightism is incorrect. Simple as that." (Obliquely disagreeing is not the same as challenging -- clearly, this expressed view is acceptable here.) Others capriciously assert that there is no such thing as truth -- the mother of all logical fallacies.

Every page I've visited so far belies the notion that this site is devoted to rationalism. That's a shame, because people could really use a site that was, to help them sort out fact from fantasy. I don't know how such a site would work, but this site is not even close.

Don't you see that the hubris you exhibit by assuming you are right, and assuming you are rational, without doing due diligence on your own thought process, is the same trait exhibited by every anti-science villain in history? It's not enough to feel in your gut that you're right -- everybody has that feeling. It's not enough to have Internet buddies to back you up -- there's that pesky matter of selection bias.

I accuse this site of being a purveyor of lies and nonsense.

It has:

• No process for quality control,
• No standards for evaluating evidence,
• No guidance for editors on how to be "rational",
• No safeguards in place against what is probably the most pernicious source of false information: groupthink. On the contrary, groupthink is enshrined as a community standard!

(On a side note, it's pretty obvious that something is wrong when you have parody pages mixed indiscriminately with ostensibly serious ones.)

This site's guilt is compounded by the fact that it ostentatiously bills itself "rationale". It adopts the veneer of integrity, without bothering to implement anything that integrity entails. Klortho (talk) 08:51, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

inb4 some clown links this template.--The (((Kigel))) (talk) (mail) 09:03, 9 August 2016 (UTC) 09:03, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Klortho, if you don't like it, which you obviously don't, the door's right over there. Spud (talk)

Now that is even worse than this dumb template, it's as if it was piratecopied from the Right (policy $A, $B and $C is 'Murica, if you don't like it, leave and go to country $D where you came from, you <insert ethnophaulism here>).--The (((Kigel))) (talk) (mail) 15:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC) 15:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

We do have citations and talk pages. Wikipedia doesn't do much more to ensure accuracy, either. another Jewish conspiracy by (((Laurogeita Hamabost))) (talk) 16:55, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Drink! Also, specific examples? Zero ^{(talk - contributions)} 17:42, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Honestly? Those are all things that could be changed, but promote more bureaucracy and don't really generate quality content on their own.

As to how to be rational: you aren't rational. Neither am I. Individual ideas can be rational, and can be quantitatively and qualitatively evaluated in ways particular to their domain of knowledge. You wouldn't ask for a mathematical proof in a chemistry lab, you wouldn't ask for scientific experiments in a court of law, and you wouldn't want to convince a jury of your peers that an essay has certain themes. Ideas have rationality tests and understanding what those tests are is not some easy on-off switch you can put into a machine and *ping* get the right answer. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 18:03, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Quality control, jokes, etc. are all essentially fixed by requiring citations -- same as on WP. Anything more than that is very difficult to enforce and begins to tread the line of "what is rationality". The FCP Foundation (talk/stalk) 22:08, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Are you going to report us to the Florida Department of Agricultural and Consumer Services? --Ymir (talk) 22:49, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

"Florida Department of Agricultural and Consumer Services"? Is that some kind of RationalWiki in-joke?--Harkinian | Oah! (talk) 16:55, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

yes it is I am not the Ombud's man 17:18, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

This magial rational,quality controlled wiki exists and it is called Wikipedia. In my opinion, the problem with the name RationalWiki isn't the word Rational it's the word Wiki which people tends to assume that it would imply this to be a place of facts and boredom. RW is much more a community for sane people (and nobs ^-^) than it is an encyclopedia.

If you come here for an unbiased opinion you definitely in the wrong place. If come here to read smart, fun and insightful articles on various topics and then you have come to the right place. TheGrandmother (talk) 09:18, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I am pleased that more people are seeing the issue with Rationalwiki. To say that those who are protesting this platform do so because of ideological differences is absurd, my own viewpoints are rather similar to most of the perspectives here, from politics to science. Rationalwiki's main problem is that it becomes a staging ground for individuals to harass others and voice their own distorted opinions on people or topics with the comfort of being anonymous. As a progressive, I am alarmed to see that we have our own version of the 'alt right' in this behavior, and Rationalwiki is simply 'fake news' dressed up as an encyclopedia. One individual who edits quit frequently here has conducted illegal activity such as extreme slander and leverages the page ranking of this platform on Google as one of his main staging grounds. It is highly likely that David Gerard, Fuzzy Cat Potato and the powers that be here simply have psychological disorders and see nothing wrong or harmful about their abuses. See what happens when people get a little bit of power on the internet? 03:23, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Simples answer - create your own wiki, with more rational rules (or, as the cartoon says, if you know a better hole go to it). 31.49.51.46 (talk) 23:07, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Can you, at least, give us examples and/or citations about wrong information? You know... A wiki is something colletive, if you find something wrong and use your brain (I hope you have one) to prove your point, we will be glad to edit and update the page. 109 (talk) 10:08, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Science can be wrong too, you know. nobs 10:57, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Rationalwiki's harassment problem

It is highly recommended this platform reflect on allowing a known online stalker whose name I wont mention and his massive sock army here and removing the articles he has posted against individuals he holds grudges against online. As the evidence is building against this individual and the legal ramifications, RW will be held accountable just as much as this individual since they harbor his activities. This individual's initials are O.S. Stopharassmentonline (talk) 01:39, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Isn't posting vague threats and insinuations like the above just another form of harassment online? Stop yourself! Annquin (talk) 10:09, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Sure, if we want to use bizarre logic, it is harassment in the same sense that an abusive husband considers himself the victim after he beats his wife. This message, and all messages to follow, are a response to harassment and an attempt to achieve some sort of recourse despite being blocked or banned when attempting to do so. Consider, if this platform actually allowed some sort of responsible pathway to resolve these issues, legal recourses would not be necessary, hence this message.Responsive12 (talk) 00:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

(As an editor)Look, we've seen people attempting to do this in the past, and take a very dim view of our site being used to make defamatory claims, particularly about unrelated internet drama. If you point to examples of these articles, and your point is valid, there's no need to be vague and use several different accounts. We're a modestly small community and things slip through the cracks, but please no more legal threats, the salloon bar is not the venue to make them. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 00:15, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

And just so you know, making legal threats is a reason to get yourself another ban.--JorisEnter (talk) 00:46, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

There have been many attempts to try and resolve this reasonably over the years, every single one of them met with hostility or twisted logic to justify why they are doing what they are doing. Why don't you inform me of how you would prefer this is addressed? I would prefer a peaceful and non confrontational resolution, however if I am met with hostility, naturally I would choose what ever other options are available to me, and simply stating that is NOT making a threat so please do not treat it as such simply so you can find a new way to ban me or censor this discussion.

Shouldn't we try and do better as progressives? Do you really want practice this type of abuse that is similar to the 'shitposting' tactics of the_donald, 8 chan and the alt right? Don't you see that what you are doing here is actually HARMFUL to your own ideals as progressives and discredits the ideas you claim to promote? Do you really want to use those same sort of tactics? I'm a politically progressive and pro science individual, yet on this website I am treated as an anti science crank. What makes this difficult for me the most is that since I actually SHARE most of the viewpoints here on this site AND I am someone WHO IS politically active in many of the same areas this platform claims to speak for, you're putting me in an awkward position.

So why don't we start fresh? A simple rational conversation will take minutes, but creating multiple accounts and getting banned over and over again will continue to be years in the making.

Please advise as to next steps. Responsive12 (talk) 03:46, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Which concrete claim in which concrete article do you have a problem with? Worzelpete (talk) 03:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I am skeptical about addressing your question here simply because past experience tells me it will simply be met with more hostility. How about this, why don't you provide me with a throw away email account, and I will email you from another throw away email account. In that email, we can both agree to keep the contents private, and carry on our conversation that way? Honestly, this is not really a safe space to have this discussion if you want me to mention names and details and I would rather not have a dozen responses to my statements that simply dismiss me with name calling and accusations. Responsive12 (talk) 04:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

we can start here. denuthisap@throya.com You or anyone here can create a throwaway email address as well here http://www.throwawaymail.com/ all of these communications will be deleted in 48 hours. How does that work for everyone? Responsive12 (talk) 04:10, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

If my suggestion for throwaway email does not work, please suggest another alternative. Responsive12 (talk) 04:51, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Since you want to discuss legal threats, you should contact: legal@rationalwiki.org

You should also stop posting vague insinuations here & await a response from the Foundation. Wėąṣėḷőįď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 09:45, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I think you yourself should email legal@rationalwiki.org and inquire as to what actually constitutes a legal threat, because clearly you're confused. Since I clarified in writing in this post that I was seeking to have a reasonable dialogue which should NOT be construed as a legal threat, you appear to be informing me that my only recourse is a legal one. Odd. Was that your intention? Are you saying that the only way for me to resolve this is a legal channel and you are unwilling to resolve this with me any other way? Please be clear as to your answer, and be certain that you are speaking for the platform and community, not just yourself. In case you are still confused, my intention is to resolve this by my own petition directly to the editors here and in a way where I will not be harassed for doing so. I don't think that is vague at all. What are you afraid of? Responsive12 (talk) 13:35, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

You've said you want to discuss whatever this issue is by email & I have provided you with the relevant contact details. If addressing it to an email address designated for legal issues pains you, try rationalwiki@rationalwiki.org instead. It's likely to be the same RMF board members/officers who respond either way. Ŵêâŝêîôîď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 14:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Blocked for legal threats. If they have a problem, the board is emailable - David Gerard (talk) 15:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

TL,DR: "I want to discuss a serious problem you have." "Ok, we'll look into it, what's the problem?" "Stop being a jerk! I just want you to fix your problem!" "What. Problem." "I'm not telling you here or you'll all yell at me. Meet me in a dark alley, where I can be sure nobody's watching." "Um...Here's my number, out you go." TeflonTrout (talk) 01:36, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

At risk of being dragged into something I literally don't care about, don't quote things nobody said. Gaul Dernitt (talk) 07:48, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

"Stopharassmentonline" is a sock of Rome Viharo (he suddenly now claims to be "pro-science" and wants Rationalwiki to remove his history of supporting pseudo-science and crankery. I'm the person he's talking about, but what he writes about me is false. Yesterday he threatened to contact my parents or report me to the police; he showed up on my blog leaving his same delusions and false accusations and he's been doing the same to Tim Farley. He's completely nuts. I've never harassed anyone on Rationalwiki, nor have I harassed him. He's still talking about his Wikipedia ban that happened 4 years ago. He joins multiple forums/wikis to post about me and Tim Farley; I recently got a defamatory Wikipediocracy thread of his closed and the admins on that site also saw his as a troll; no one believed a word of his baloney story he's been harassed, but he still goes spamming it on wikis and forums. 86.14.2.77 (talk) 03:03, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Long time lurker, first time talk-pager

I have used RW to get through my workday on a 6 days a week basis. I refurb networking equipment. I don't much care for computers, spend my off time playing in bands and digging dirt, real Midwestern purist. But when I'm dying from watching packets transfer successfully, I read this wiki. I watch the user pages. I can spot a RationalZombie94 headline from a glance. And I like the kid, I don't know why. I groan before ikanreed posts a short, frustrated response, I groan after. I like nobs. I don't know why. I like RCP, I know exactly why. I like FCP. I read Zexcoiler start to finish, same with diale...coli? Damn, should have written this down first. Pb, Plutoniumboss,Owlman, the Grandmother, Smerdis, Sword of the Northern... Anime YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE, SIR. Anyway, I appreciate all you editors and the mission and even the execution. Wow, what? You guys are doing great and salving my existential wounds and if I didn't list you in the names that came to mind, I'm sorry, WEASELOID! Shit, uhhh, Levi RIP, Petey, and uhh Karl Marx? Keep doing what you're doing, a toast from here to all, long live RatWik, motion to move to Saloon Bar, and I THOUGHT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RATIONALWIKI!!! Edit ooooops 174.71.85.63 (talk) 06:52, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Traditionally, the next step after long-time lurking and IP-editing is registering an account, so... welcome to the menagerie. :)--ZooGuard (talk) 13:06, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

I suppose you're right. I suppose you're usually right. Sorry for not shouting out in op, I said ZooGuard out loud today, though, so... oh my God, do I have Tourette's? How do I Poe? Gaul Dernitt (talk) 03:09, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

This was a wholesome post. Thank you for writing it! Also, where you wrote "I like RCP", I'm going to bet you meant to say "RBP", because I'm humble like that. Or because I'm an outstanding detective. Prolly not both though. All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:18, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome here ! Diacelium (talk) 14:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Obviously, I meant to write ICP, but Reverend Black Percy is OK too, I guess. Last night was all wine and brandy. I regret not signing! (It's kinda like a pun if you read it out loud, leave me alone, I have so much shit to do today, ow my head)174.71.85.63 (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

That's perfectly fine. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 16:19, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Nah nah nah dawg! You're teaching me wiki tricks. But let's be honest.Edit added another colon, this is confusing.174.71.85.63 (talk) 16:34, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 17:46, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

What a kind post! Much more nice than most BoN comments on RW. Why dont you gett an account and start editing yourself :) Its fun! And if you have more important things to do that you don't really want to do, it's way more fun! TheGrandmother (talk) 10:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

mercy me, I just got back from driving an hour in the wrong direction to deliver a laptop computer to a friend that would have hafta driven two and a half hours otherwise. On top of him driving the hour and a half to meet me. I have access these days, and I still love you guys, but don't expect a lot out of me.

If none of that made sense, you ain't exactly plains people. Gaul Dernitt (talk) 07:33, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I was so dumb to not notice the talkpage as also getting updates. Here I was looking at the actual Bar looking for who posted what and finding nothing. Though, thanks BoN! I'm happy to have been mentioned (:D). I feel strangely honored. Ɀexcoiler Kingbolt]] Noooooooo! ^{Look! Up there!}' 07:39, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Strangely honored is a pretty good phrase. Thanks, sincerely. Gaul Dernitt (talk) 07:55, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Down to 8 threads

Should we up the archive time from 5 days, or just bemoan the sad state of the bar? Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 04:00, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

As a cynic, I say bemoan the sad state of the bar. As a person who hates seeing things disappear so quickly, I say up the archive time to ten days. So...make of that what you will. RoninMacbeth (talk) 04:24, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

suggestion

shouldn't we add an area here where people can argue, bicker, call each other names, and threaten each other (for the lulz) kind of like a drunk fight area? You think the goats will agree? I mean they like butting heads anyway...(of course they aren't serious fights)--Rimuru Tempest (talk) 17:54, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Every talk page? ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 18:37, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

No, more like a place to have fun poking at each other but as a joke and not serious.--Rimuru Tempest (talk) 19:16, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Again, that's pretty much everywhere. Christopher (talk) 19:33, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

throws beer keg at Christopher Shhh! don't correct meh m8 XD --Rimuru Tempest (talk) 21:34, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikispooks

I started an article on Wikispooks. When it's a bit more mature it deserves to be added to Template:Wikinav. --Gerrit (talk) 00:47, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

The dozen or so single-post topics

What's up with people adding new topics but not responding to others'? WHAT HAS THIS COMMUNITY COME TO, THIS 25TH OF AUGUST? FuzzyCatPotato of the Dumb Kittens (talk/stalk) 05:48, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Figured it out. One troll resurrected a bunch of old discussions. Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 21:37, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

They also removed a bunch of stuff, can anyone be bothered to put it back in? Christopher (talk) 10:24, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Meta

I just realized something: this is the talk page of a talk page. —вιgℓʝвιgℓ (ᴛᴀʟᴋ/sᴛᴀʟᴋ) 03:43, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Well no, it's the talk page of a RationalWiki page. ^{Pedantry level up!} —Kazitor, ^pending 05:20, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

It's both. PearOfSalamanca^{Crisis? What crisis?}

Topic

What is this for? Bombshell (talk) 14:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

It’s a place for general discussion about anything that doesn’t fit anywhere else. Christopher (talk) 14:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

well no, that would be the saloon bar. this is the talk page for the place for general discussion about anything that doesn’t fit anywhere else. it was always quite redundant and thus filled with assorted nonsense which folk got bored with pretty quickly. pointless arse that is somehow more pointlessy arse than some of the stuff that occasionaly appears in the saloon bar? you see its inherent flawAMassiveGay (talk) 15:52, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

black invention myth debunked says right winger

This discussion was moved to RationalWiki:Saloon bar/Archive273.

Mods on a power kick?

I appreciate that mods are an important part of a site like this, but are there any safeguards against mods who are just on a bit of a power kick? For example, someone who might undo multiple edits that have offended them without any kind of explanation or reference to the RationalWiki guidelines. It seems that every now and again you may get a mod who perhaps isn't quite able to participate on an intellectual level, so ends up going a bit nuts with a ban-hammer instead... and as far as I can see, there's nothing the site can do about it? Is that about right? I signed up thinking this was a discursive community site as per "we welcome contributors, and encourage those who disagree with us to register and engage in constructive dialogue" - but that doesn't quite work if there is even one unaccountable autocrat, unwilling to engage in dialogue, who normal users can't touch. Star Gazer (talk) 15:44, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

mods dont have any special powers. they cant do anything a regular user cannot AMassiveGay (talk) 15:49, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Do I mean mod? Maybe I've got the wrong terminology, maybe I mean sysop. Anyway, whoever has the power to shut down discussion by undoing edits, blocking users then locking a page. Star Gazer (talk) 15:58, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

that is literally everyone. you or i can revert, block anyone or anything here AMassiveGay (talk) 16:58, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Errrm that doesn't seem to be true. There is a whole that only SysOps can do. "The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Sysops". So my question remains. Anyone experienced on RationalWiki tell me how constructive dialogue can be encouraged, if just one SysOp decides against that policy? Star Gazer (talk) 17:24, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

pretty much everyone is a sysop here. its like the default position. you argue your point and try to gain a consensus via talk pages. if you cant, you'll likely be reverted. AMassiveGay (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

No one starts as a SysOp, so it's not default. I agree with your point, but my issue is that people can and do ignore a Talk page. An example; I made an edit, it was reverted and I was told to take it to a Talk page. Fine. So I took it to the Talk page, and no one had anything to say about it, including the person that asked. I concluded that it had passed muster, so I put it back. Then it gets reverted again, no explanation, no talk, no dialogue. Just a SysOp tantrum. If the site is supposed to encourage constructive dialogue, awesome, I'm in. My question is still... what happens when a SysOp is unable to do that? It means that 'gaining a consensus via talk pages' ends up being a way of preventing edits, because you can just ignore the Talk pages and prevent a consensus being reached. Star Gazer (talk) 18:07, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

firstly,[RationalWiki:Sysops], secondly, i note that there is a distinct lack of dialogue from you on the bait and switch page - take it to the talk page works both ways. defend your edits if they are reverted. mods can step in an empasse. there is the chicken coop for more extreme conflict resolution, not i might add for edit wars. in all cases a majority is required. its a little early mods or coop either way. AMassiveGay (talk) 18:58, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

oh you have 'taken it to the talk page', my mistake. AMassiveGay (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Very quiet around here

Any idea what's happened? Recently there have only been about four edits each day, and right now there are just 11 changes on my watchlist from the past 72 hours. —Kazitor, ^pending 03:56, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Kazitor I've been watching anime and reading the Hitcherhiker's guide to the galaxy omnibus edition. I can't speak for anyone else though. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 03:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

MHA, AOT?Doublethink (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, If everything I bring up is just a Rant, its a rant then

Yeah its true and DeviantART is just controversial, the more I talk about stuoid users, the more Attention I bring, I found Alt-Right Pages like WorldEvents (a homophobia group of retards) but I digress.

Maybe I should thought better, hmm. Well I have not have a good idea and its true that this is just a rant, the only good part is bringing links, but you won't care anyways. *signs*MysteryMan9000 (talk) 01:58, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

An observation

The Saloon Bar cannot be edited by IPs - but the talk page to it can.

Does not seem to be a problem though. Anna Livia (talk) 15:40, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@Anna Livia my boi GrammarComnie protected it after a trololol attackMa boi (talk) 22:26, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

I wonder what's for dinner.—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3  (talk • stalk) 22:28, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Isn't your diet entirely composed of cheeseburgers? — Dysk (contribs) 22:29, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

You know what they say, all toasters toast toast! _{only cheeseburgers made from Bowser's Sourpuss Bread}--It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:29, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

If anyone's looking for dinner or any other meal, you can always pay a visit to Rationalwiki's favorite local Italian restaurant! Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 23:15, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

I hope they made lotsa spaghetti! --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:18, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

This spaghetti?

[I was 'just observing' that there might be a theoretical issue (should the nuisances find it out). Anna Livia (talk) 23:40, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

If you need instructions on how to get through the hotels, check out the enclosed instruction book! This peace is what all true warriors strive for. _{I don't think so, but I do hope that joint leads to one of those seven Koopa Hotels or even the island of Koridai} --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 02:07, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

'Testing, testing, testing.' 82.44.143.26 (talk) 14:33, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Subjects RationalWiki will never cover

Say this is a rant, but you will ignore me anyways ^{— Unsigned, by: MysteryMan9000 / talk / contribs}

tl;dr—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3  (talk • stalk) 02:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@MysteryMan9000 Part of why we label most of your posts rants is because you (try to) say something in 50,000 words that most of us can say in under 20. Just try to read your most recent post, it looks like someone ranted into a voice-to-text program for an hour and a half. Until you learn to work with your audience you'll keep running into this problem. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 02:05, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Go outside, get some air. Maybe work out a little. That much text on something literally no person cares about is nothing short of wasteful. Click Link Or Gulag (talk) 02:16, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

--It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 04:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Ethics in JournalismTheDarkMaster2 (talk) 12:08, 5 November 2018 (UTC)TheDarkMaster2

Subjects not covered by RW will be those outside its remit - recipes, vexillology, obscure sports, fashion... Anna Livia (talk) 12:57, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

@Anna Livia We have lots of recipes. Spud (talk) 14:55, 5 November 2018 (UTC)