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½? Why do we have a ½ archive? It won't show up in the auto-list. Sterilesig.svgtalk 12:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

It's an archive of the talk page rather than the Saloon Bar itself. Previous one is at RationalWiki:Saloon bar/Archive78½. I have no idea why this is happening. ŴêâŝêîôîďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 12:29, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
In fact this guy is responsible both times. WeaseloidWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 12:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for archiving to the wrong place! Could someone (I don't think I should) move this to RationalWiki:Saloon bar/Archive1, and delete this as the conversations seem to have been moved back for some reason? Jc86035 (talk) 10:19, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Ethics In Journalism[edit]

how do I use this website[edit]

i want to log in but my account's password is a scramble and i don't have ym password database but also i want to contribute but like editing a wiki is kinda intimidating bc it feels like if i give out anythingthat isn't 100% right I'm spreading misinformation and bleh basically what I'm really asking is how do i get over wiki anxiety??? (talk) 02:08, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

If you're unable to login, you should probably bring it up at RationalWiki:Technical support. In the meantime, you should go ahead and try making some smaller edits or creating some pages in the Draft namespace. As long as what you have is sourced and well-worded, you should be fine. Any misinformation can be corrected by other people, and I'm sure they'll be reasonable with you once you let them know you're new. However, you'll first want to get that account sorted. Or else I suppose you can try creating a new one. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:30, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Well if you're not confident about dropping an edit, why not ask one of us if your edit is fine? How do you get over wiki anxiety? Well, be nice and honest to people. They'll be more than happy to guide the way. And you have to edit a lot. Everyone started as a newbie. Why not play around with the sandbox? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 02:48, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
"And I'm sure they'll be reasonable with you once you let them know you're new." But also get prepared to be personally attacked and insulted as fuck. -Lankaster (talk) 22:51, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
i figured out how to use it. just stay on wigo and saloon bar talk pages and yell at randos (talk) 22:36, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
im confused about the saloon and the back alley, because i dont know how to do the time and worried i may be banned about that, but no one really would do that right? i think its 4 squiggles kkpw (talk) 18:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, it's four squiggles. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:40, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

i did it[edit]

hi its me I finally made an account on this the genious brain hell site (not to be confused with other hell sites like bird hell ) Transbeeism (talk) 23:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations, you're only a few edits away from not having captchas anymore. (wait, is there some role I can give them to spare them that?) ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:29, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
@Ikanreed I gave it to them just now, but for future reference, autopatrolled is the manual version of autoconfirmed. —Dorianha Bogelund (talk) 04:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Appeal to memory[edit]

Appeal to memory - assuming that the ability to accurately remember something effects the credence of a claim. this is a logical fallacy because something being true or false is independent of the memory. The claim can still be true even if they misremembered something they used as proof for their argument. Also a claim can still be false even if they perfectly remembered something they used as proof for their argument. No matter how bad or good a person's memory is it is not evidence of proving or disproving a point presented.

Logical form examples:

Person 1 makes a point backing it up with evidence from an event Person 2 does not remember an event that occurs in premise Person 2 therefore person 1 point is faulty (The person's memory is faulty, the point itself has yet to find fault)

Person 1 makes a point backing it up with evidence using data from the internet they remembered incorrectly Person 2 points out that person 1 incorrectly remembered data Person 2 says person 1's point is invalid because of this (The data presented is invalid because it is not the real data from the source. However the point itself has yet to find fault)

Person 1 makes a point that is backed up with evidence from an event Person 2 demonstrates that person misremembered event Person 2 therefore person 1's point is faulty

(The evidence is faulty but the validity of the point has not actually been refuted)

Person 1 has poor memory this is demonstrated throughout the argument Person 2 points out person 1's poor memory and uses it as proof that his argument must be faulty because of it.

Person 1 has very good memory Person 1 uses this fact as proof for his point

(This is the absence of reason and also asserting their proof as memory is unfalsifiable)

Person 1 could not remember their initial point or misremembered it Person points this out and asserts that their argument is invalid because of this.

(Inability to remember their initial point does no affect the credence of the point.)

Person 1 and person 2 are in an argument Person 1 has bad memory Person 2 has very good memory Person 2 states that since their memory is better than person 1 their points are more valid. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

Talk:saloon_bar is usually reserved for super-meta discussion. Discussion about discussion kind of stuff. You wanted plain ol' rationalwiki:saloon bar. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:34, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

The time has come[edit]

for a new poll. That old one has literally been up for months, someone replace it already. Oxyaena Harass 06:34, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

I'd like to put a new poll up, but I don't know how. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 21:24, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Neither do I, time to call @D, RW's underpaid handyman. Oxyaena Harass 22:01, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Just put one on RationalWiki:To do list/Pointless polls. I think Kazitor used to be one of the main contributors to it. —RWRW (talk) 23:45, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
I put up a new poll. Better poll ideas are welcome though. — Dysk (contribs) 19:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

How Do You Get to Post to The Different WIGO's?[edit]

I wanted to ask a question about whether an edit/creating a new article under Hinduism was justified but I can't post to the Saloon Bar. Isn't the Saloon Bar supposed to be for posting anything? I thought maybe there might be an article under the Help section but I couldn't find anything. So... is it just the Talk sections then that function as the 'post anything' part? Is the Saloon Bar then for special posts that get promoted from the (hic) posts? How do you get access to the WIGO posts? Do you need to perhaps prove yourself through quality edits and posts? Cumulus (talk) 06:46, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

I believe you need to have been here a bit and made some edits, and occasionally pages get locked once in a while for various reason. AMassiveGay (talk) 07:06, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Any idea on how many edits and how long? How often and how long are pages locked? What are the various reasons? Cumulus (talk) 08:23, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Harassment of Oxyaena[edit]

I've been seeing relentless harassment of Oxyaena in saloon, both from IP and named users. This is beyond childish, and there has been a severe absence of mod intervention. I don't care what bones users on the wiki have to pick with her, this is pissing me off. Minish (talk) 14:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I banned the latest BoN to try their luck, doubtless someone will either revert the ban or the BoN will simply change their IP, but nothing much else I can do about it. Lord knows I've tried. Oxyaena Harass 14:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
I've been reverting the harassment as I find it and blocking the offenders. There isn't much more we can do. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:59, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Which I appreciate, I've noticed. Thanks. With this kind of format there's not much we can do, I mostly have taken to trying to ignore it now, not let it bother me as much, but it's still makes participating in this community less welcoming. Oxyaena Harass 15:04, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for doing what you can. I didn't realise that there isn't much that can be done in the long-term. Minish (talk) 15:09, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Morris takes every opportunity to cause problems tbh. EK (talk) 14:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Quick Question[edit]

Some of this place seems totally off the wall bat shit insane, and some of it seems serious and I can't tell what the intention is. So I'm asking if this wiki is ironic, or if some people use it as so and some people are serious, or if all of it's serious because I can't really figure it out. — Unsigned, by: / talk

It's a bit of both. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓(T|C) 22:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
To answer your question: yes. ShabiDOO 22:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
This wiki isn't even insane compared to some of the thing ive see on Conservapedia ""helpmeimscared!"" (talk) 17:47, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
It's the internet, it has always been full of degenerates. GIFT and all. We try to get rid of the more toxic members, but, politics... SockPup (talk) 19:06, 26 March 2021 (UTC)